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General => Suggestions Box => Topic started by: Spriggan on March 28, 2004, 02:49:23 AM

Title: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Spriggan on March 28, 2004, 02:49:23 AM
ok, I'm probaly streaching this a bit but have you, Fell, ever look into wrtting things off that we buy to reveiw for TWG?  I just spent $30 on a DVD just so I can reveiw it for GRW .I have the VHS and rarely watch the series, so I probaly would have never bought the DVD if it wasn't for this.  So you think we have a case for getting a tax break?  I know TWG dosen't make money, no maybe we can get non-propht orginzation satatis.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Sminja on March 28, 2004, 08:35:58 PM
Interesting plea..but I don't think it'll ever happen
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on March 28, 2004, 09:16:35 PM
Well, no for you it won't happen.  Especially since you don't

1. work for the site or 2. file your own taxes.

But for Spriggan, it's probably a good idea, especially if he's got receipts from the past year.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: stacer on March 29, 2004, 02:06:08 AM
Even if it's a little bit, you probably could claim it. However, you'll have to judge whether it's worth it to go through the extra paperwork. Since it's not something you make money on, you can't count it as self-employment, because you have to make a profit 3 out of 5 years. I've been dealing with this because of my freelance work. It's so complicated, and I have no idea how non-profits work, so I have no advice to offer. :-/

For $30, however, it's probably so minimal a difference that I doubt it'd be worth the paperwork to you. Now, if your expenditures went up into the mid-hundreds or thousands over the course of a year, that would make it worth it to check out.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Spriggan on March 29, 2004, 02:20:20 AM
Ya I realise that $30 isn't all that much.  But maybe if it was worth the paperwork I'd keep all my recepts for things like this.  As long as I do a reveiw for them then I could write them off.  We're talking $500 a year or so.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: stacer on March 29, 2004, 02:37:26 AM
Then I'd say it's worth at least checking out, but unless TWG starts making money, or if you make money doing the same thing for something else, it won't work in a business writeoff sense. I don't think you'd get audited over it, but I was told when I filed a loss last year that I had to be sure to make a profit 3 out of 5 years, or it's just a hobby, and hobbies aren't deductible.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: EUOL on March 29, 2004, 05:33:55 AM
There's some strange things in the tax law.  I'm not sure how the write-off would work--but you're only allowed to run a 'business' at a loss for so long before you lose your ability to get tax write-offs.

And also, for Sprig the deduction wouldn’t probably matter since you don't itemize.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: House of Mustard on March 29, 2004, 03:54:08 PM
Yeah -- unless you're writing off at least about 7,000 dollars a year, it's better off not to itemize.

One nice thing, EUOL, is that I've been talking with a tax accountant, and authors can write all sorts of things off -- from computers to travel expenses...  If you have a certain part of your apartment that is dedicated to writing, you can even write of a portion of your rent.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: EUOL on March 29, 2004, 09:31:20 PM
As I understood it, you can't actually deduct rent--you can only deduct a mortgage.  However, yes, itemizing for us is something completely different.  We can deduct things as expenses for our business, then still take the standard personal deduction of $4,500.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: stacer on March 29, 2004, 11:03:39 PM
Yeah, that's the self-employment stuff I was talking about. I've been doing that for a couple years because of my freelancing for magazines and for Houghton.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: GorgonlaVacaTremendo on March 31, 2004, 05:49:59 PM
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Then I'd say it's worth at least checking out, but unless TWG starts making money,...


Why don't you guys sell advertisments?  I mean you have 148 members and I'm sure you have guests.  If you got even just $1 per hit you could be making a lot of money a year.  Plus you can get affiliated with other sites and bring in guests, on a trial basis, have a "forum rules" link on the main page so we don't get more newbie trash, and the site could easily make over $1000 dolars a year.  Then you could pay for some more domain names, bringing in more people and pulling in more money.  At this point you could easily convince some people to become affiliated with you because of you average daily hits bringing in more people.

At this point you wouldn't even have to deal with truces and you could just pay for your own advertisements to cause more hits to cause more profit...
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Gemm: Rock & Roll Star; Born to Rock on March 31, 2004, 11:09:06 PM
And that goes back, Gorgon, to the "What would we do with the money?" statements of yonder over there.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Mistress of Darkness on March 31, 2004, 11:31:24 PM
Please, no pop-up ads, or banner ads.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on March 31, 2004, 11:36:16 PM
banners are not a problem except when the banner host is horribly horribly lagged. I pretty much ignore them otherwise
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Entsuropi on April 01, 2004, 02:05:10 AM
No ads.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on April 01, 2004, 02:17:38 AM
maybe pretend ads tomorrow?  As an April Fools joke?
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Fellfrosch on April 01, 2004, 02:49:00 AM
I've thus far avoided ads mostly because I dislike them, but the more I hate my job the more I think that we ought to turn this site into a profitable venture. I just don't see how (since $1 per page load, as was suggested earlier, is ridiculously more than any ad site would ever pay).

Speaking of which, Tage, it looks like the server move broke Urchin. We have no stats.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Spriggan on April 01, 2004, 03:31:19 AM
usealy you get 3 cents a hit.  There was a time (during the late 90s) when realy popular sites would make like 25 cents or so a hit.  I don't think there was ever a time when you could get $1 a hit.

Thankfully, becasue of Tage hosting the site for us, Fell dosen't have to pay for bandwith, so we don't have adds.  And I know Fell hates Pop-ups as much as the rest of us so you'll, hopefully, never have to worry about them if he ever does adds.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Entsuropi on April 01, 2004, 10:35:57 AM
RPG.net are attempting it with their own online shop it seems.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Tage on April 01, 2004, 12:18:21 PM
Yeah, I know about Urchin. The fun part is that it isn't just us, Urchin is hosed on all the VPS2 systems. So basically, no stats.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on April 01, 2004, 12:28:11 PM
oh, your customers have to LOVE that.
/me is grateful he's not at Verio for this.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: Mistress of Darkness on April 01, 2004, 01:59:56 PM
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banners are not a problem except when the banner host is horribly horribly lagged. I pretty much ignore them otherwise


Except when they flash like crazy and use really obnoxious colors. Yahoo is notorious for this.
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: fuzzyoctopus on April 01, 2004, 02:05:42 PM
Or make noise of any sort.  Like the cursed "slot machine" ones that never shut up until you refresh the page.  
Title: Re: TWG...tax writeoff
Post by: GorgonlaVacaTremendo on April 02, 2004, 06:58:39 PM
No, my mom used to work for a website advertising company and there are some contracts that you can get a dollar a hit up to a certain amount and then you get like 1/2 a cent per hit.  They aren't too common, though...