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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2005, 08:11:57 AM »
Nope. Just some good friends.

It's funny - *now* I go to couselling occasionally, but for totally different sorts of things.

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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2005, 04:22:25 PM »
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I quit smoking like 7 weeks ago cold turkey, no help, and I'm around smokers all the time.  But I'm just studly like that. 8)



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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2005, 04:33:55 PM »
On the subject of addiction being cured, here's something.

SE said that it depends on what you're addicted to.  This may be true, but I remember a conversation I had with my dad a couple years ago.  My dad was addicted to just about every substance you can think of--he smoked pot and did heroin and lots of stuff in between.  And he drank constantly.  He went to rehab for a month when I was twelve and quit everything cold turkey, and never went back.  

My dad went to AA and NA meetings for a little while, but after a few years he got frustrated with them and quit going.  His frustration was that they kept telling him he couldn't be cured.  He told me that he no longer had the desire to go out and buy drugs or alcohol.  He's struggled with cigarettes for years and never been able to quit, but he doesn't even feel tempted by the rest of it anymore.  Granted, he's not cured in the sense that he'll never be able to go out and casually drink, but he is in the sense that it's not a struggle for him not to drink anymore.  

I think for some people, the temptation will always be there.  But I don't think it's fair to tell people who don't feel that temptation anymore that they can't be cured.  

Three years ago when I was going through a depressive episode I started cutting myself.  I started using physical pain to manage the emotional pain I was going through, and became dependant on it, so that every time I went through an episode, I would cut myself to deal with it.  Recently I quit, and while I've been able to be depressed and not cut, I've yet to succeed at being depressed and not wanting to.  I've been managing it using other means--distracting myself, keeping sharp objects in storage, etc.  

But I have hope that I won't be dealing with the temptation for forever.  I think I can be cured--that the temptation can go away.  I've been working on dealing with the other influences that cause me to feel that way, and it's gradually getting easier.  Very, very gradually.  

This is a really long post, so I'm going to stop now.  
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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2005, 04:49:28 PM »
Technically, not having the temptation isn't being cured, and that is the point.  I'll go back to my example of a schizophrenic, which, while it isn't the same thing as addiction, works wonderfully as an example.  If a schizophrenic stops having delusions, he or she is in remission.  This doesn't mean that the person will ever have a problem with schizophrenia again, he or she could go to death without having another delusion, just like someone who was addicted to alcohol could go until death without having another drink;  however, just because they aren't experiencing symptoms anymore doesn't mean its cured, because, like you said, your dad could never go out and casually drink.  That is because there is still the psycological dependancy there, and if your dad were to go out and drink his addiction would show symptoms again.

Saying an addict cannot be cured is not the same thing a saying an addict cannot be normal again.
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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2005, 04:50:20 PM »
see, the problem with this is there's no definition for the word "cured."

It's been my experience that if you expose yourself to temptation for something you have been addicted to you are more likely than not going to fall back into the pattern. That's not jsut experience, actually. It's also observation. And it's especially true of those who think they are beyond temptation and allow themselves to be exposed.

Now, i believe you can get to the point where you don't have cravings for it when you aren't exposed to external temptation, but I don't think that's nearly the same thing as "being cured." Someone who is addicted to pornography but feels he is past it who, upon accidental exposure to pornography again, does not immediately shut it away, is setting himself up for a major fall.

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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2005, 04:53:24 PM »
Yes, but a person who has never before been addicted to pornography but is exposed to it and does not shut it away also runs the risk of becoming addicted to it.  The former person may have a predisposition to become addicted again, and become addicted again faster, but I don't think this makes them any less cured than the latter person.  They just have a weakness.

Maybe it's the word "cured" that I don't like.  A weakness, in my opinion, is something to be overcome.  Not cured.  Perhaps addiction cannot be cured, but I do believe that it can be overcome.  
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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2005, 05:20:02 PM »
see, it's how to use the word "cure" that we all disagree on.

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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2005, 04:46:56 AM »
I also dislike that use of the term "cannot be cured."

I believe that with enough time and emotional change, a person can return to "normal" status.  Granted, the older you are, and the longer your addiction, then the more time (etc.) you will need.  But I believe it can be done.
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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2005, 11:20:35 PM »
The addiction I was referring to (which is really very similar to Fish's) - I believe I can be cured of it. I know I can get to the stagfe where I no longer *want* to indulge in it. Nonetheless - the tendency will probably always be there, so I just have this sense of having to be careful. It would take something pretty major to get me back into it.

I think the main dispute is on the definition of the word "cure" - Whether you've stopped doing it, or stopped *wanting* to do it, or are definitely never going to do it again no matter what - I think with most psychological things you can't deal in absolutes anyway.


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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2005, 06:28:54 PM »
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see, it's how to use the word "cure" that we all disagree on.


I think the thing that bothers me is that I wasn't trying to disagree.  I was trying to discuss.  Oh well.
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Re: Addiction, because its too big a topic ...
« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2005, 07:42:39 AM »
I'm sorry, by "we all" I meant the population in general, not us here.