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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: echigo109 on November 18, 2008, 02:40:54 AM
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After reading " best MB character" it had both kel and Zane on it so, who would win, they both have the same amount of metals in the same quanity
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Question: Does Zane have his spike?
The answer doesn't really change my opinion, because I'm going with Kell. Zane's really good, but Kell showed just how proficient he is in his battle with the Inquisitor. Zane's good, but I don't think he's as good as an Inquisitor--not saying he couldn't beat one though. We obviously don't know if he could or not.
Yeah. So my vote goes for Kell.
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Question: Does Zane have his spike?
yes Zane has his spike
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I would vote with Kelsier. And yes, I am obviously biased against Zane.
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I'm throwing my vote for Kelsier as well.
Go Kell!
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You know I think this one comes down to motivation and character. Kelsier was a very driven individual, he was a man who would stop at nothing to accomplish his goal and in the right circumstance those factors alone can be enouph to change the ballance in an unbalanced fight. I say unbalanced because Zane did have a spike and we saw his abilities with it displayed with his uncanny skill with his steel pushes. The problem is that Zane was almost apathetic. He didnt do most things because he was driven, except when it came to Vin.
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Kell, hands down. I agree with the "he killed an inquisitor" logic. At the beggining of HoA it takes Vin and Elend to take down an inquisitor and not easily, whereas vin defeated zane on her own, and without atium. Sure, she "tricked" him in a manner of speaking, but what Kell lacked in power, he easily made up for in skill and tricks! Zane thought himself TOO much in control of the situation at all times, IMO.
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I also went with Kelsier. Zane and Kelsier are very similar. Both were ruthless in their own right. Neither was really afraid to die, and they were both crazy, as far as I'm concerned. They were also both experts at Steel pushing (although Zane's was fabricated), so in the end it would come down to adaptability. I think Kelsier was able to adjust his style to fit the situation, while Zane too often used Atium as a crutch. It would be a good fight, though. I really liked the Zane character. I think he represents what would have happened to Kelsier if he forgot how to smile.
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I really liked the Zane character. I think he represents what would have happened to Kelsier if he forgot how to smile.
Very well put Darx. I agree.
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I knew there was something I was forgetting in my argument. There was no doubt in my mind that Kell would win, yet I couldn't think of anything other than he beat the Inquisitor....Zane's ability is derived from his spike and his constant usage of Atium. He has no great skill outside of these.
In the fight against Cett, Vin didn't burn Atium at all, yet Zane did. Kell and Vin both never had a lot of Atium, yet they were able to accomplish a lot. I mean, it took Vin AND Elend to completely take down that Inquisitor in HoA. Granted, that Inquisitor was more powerful than the one Kell fought, but Kell still did it alone.
Did he have Atium? I think he did, but I can't remember exactly.
Regardless, Zane never fought Vin with Atium. If he had, he would've been killed a LOT faster and Vin wouldn't have been injured. At all. I think a Kell vs. Zane fight would be similar. Zane may be able to get a few swipes in, but most of it's gonna come from Kell. Zane would be out of his league with an opponent who also has Atium.
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Zane would be out of his league with an opponent who also has Atium.
honestly, i agree with that fully. It's not that he was unskilled or weak, it's just that he relied on it way too much. He always seemed to make sure he was the only one with atium in any situation, and pretty much burned it non-stop.
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Exactly. He wasn't unskilled. We can tell that from his and Vin's little battles all across Luthadel--particularly the one on Keep Hasting before Cett was there. He just relied on Atium too much and considered himself invincible. Kell, while arrogant, knew he could be beaten. That left him with room to improve.
Plus, when someone knows their life is in danger and they don't want to die, they fight back doubly hard. Zane, thinking he's invincible, would never really think he'd die. Therefore, he wouldn't get that "protect your life with all costs" ferocious fighting. That's another distinct disadvantage for him.
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You cant base your argument on Zanes fight against Vin. I mean do you honestly think that Kell could have beaten Vin in a fight at the time she fought Zane. I dont. I think that Zane and Kell were very closely matched.
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Kelsier beat a full 11-spiked Inquisitor. Zane with his single spike beating the Survivor? I don't think so.
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My main argument for Zane would be that (Even before she drew on the Mists) Vin could take out Inquisitors a LOT easier than Kell ever could, and yet she struggled to defeat Zane . . . so I think that Zane would win, no matter how much we would rather have Kell win.
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See I don't think that Zane would win. I do however think that people are not giving him enough credit. Zane was an amazing mistborn who used what he had to win. He was deceptive and had hemalurgy and he had atium. Don't think for a second that if Vin or Kell had either of these they wouldn't have used them. Zane used what he had to excel at what he did as did Kell. I think it would have been a great fight. As it has already been stated both of these men had the ability to adjust to the situation in fighting conditions. If they were both prepaired for the fight ahead of time it would have been epic.
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You cant base your argument on Zanes fight against Vin. I mean do you honestly think that Kell could have beaten Vin in a fight at the time she fought Zane. I dont. I think that Zane and Kell were very closely matched.
Oh, I'm not. I'm using it as a reference. And I don't think Kell would've beat Vin.
My main argument is the Atium. Zane isn't used to opponents on an even turf with him with that metal. That's why he was able to do so well against Vin in their fight. I don't think he's come across many Mistborns. He's always had the advantage in a fight because he's been able to see a bit into the future. I'm betting a good amount of his prowess came from his burning Atium constantly.
That doesn't mean he wasn't a good fighter. Obviously he was. But he relied on Atium WAY too much. Imagine him in a fight where he doesn't have that advantage. He doesn't know what his opponent's going to do. I seriously doubt he's ever come up against that.
I'm not saying Kell would whoop him. It would be one intense fight, but ultimately Kell would win.
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Agreed about Kell winning but imagine a fight were both Kell and Zane had an abundance of atium. I mean it is possable seeing how Kell found enough atium to pay Ore Suer for a long term contract. Wouldn't Zanes extensive use of atium then be looked upon as an advantage. I'm aware that atium allows the brain to process the fast incoming inforation faster but wouldn't extensive experience help. In that way Zane wouldn't be dependant but he would be wise. Every mistborn is only as good as the metals they have for the most part and how well they use them mainly based off experience. Take away their steel in the middle of a jump and they are toast. Give both fighters all the known metals and who knows what would happen. The problem is this is situational. Does Zane have atium? Does Kell? Do they both?
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Does Zane have atium? Does Kell? Do they both?
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they both have the same amount of metals in the same quanity
This is what I've been basing it off of. They have equal amounts of Atium. Not only that, but of ALL the metals.