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Title: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 15, 2003, 03:04:33 PM
'ello all!
We (me and my friend) have just created a new webcomic for you viewing pleasure.
Presenting: *trumpets* Ledgermain, a comic about a tabletop RPG as told by the Characters. Let me know what you guys think ^_^

Chaos out *poofy*
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Entsuropi on May 15, 2003, 03:08:03 PM
uh. right. next time, try giving us a link...
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Spriggan on May 15, 2003, 03:10:58 PM
lol not even one in his profile. :P
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Gemm: Rock & Roll Star; Born to Rock on May 15, 2003, 10:14:34 PM
What a silly git.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 15, 2003, 10:28:48 PM
Boy I'm stupid.  :P
Here's the link: http://www.angelfire.com/comics/ledgermain
Sorry 'bout that.
Jeez, first post on a new board and I do this.... *bangs head against wall*
Title: Re: New Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Gemm: Rock & Roll Star; Born to Rock on May 15, 2003, 10:42:10 PM
Ummm...the comics aren't showing up. I've tried to see them but nothing shows up. Just a big white outline then some little tiny box with some colorful boxes inside it. Is that a problem?
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 15, 2003, 11:00:58 PM
if you're on dial up, it takes a while to up load. All the comics are jpegs. I think I'm going to have to switch to gifs  :'( . Sorry for the inconveience.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on May 15, 2003, 11:20:32 PM
you might want to play with pngs then too.

Let me know when the bandwidth requirement is down or remind me when I get back on cable (3-5 months, but no one's counting).
Title: Re: New Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 15, 2003, 11:36:22 PM
I'm fully capable to use all these on my comp. Problem was that when I first did it, we were on a lab comp that could only handle jpg
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Fellfrosch on May 16, 2003, 02:23:15 AM
Ah! Five pop-ups, including one that tried to install software. Sorry, I can't bring myself to look at a page that does that to me.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 16, 2003, 06:29:06 PM
That would be frickin angelfire.  >:(
I use popupstopper from panic ware to get around that crap. We're trying to get on Keenspot, but they're seriously backed up. If anyone has a better solution, please tell me.

Note: We have no money at all.  >:(

I set the pages the comics are on to compress the images so that should  help with the slow download time. Keep in mind the site has only existed for three weeks and there are bound to be problems. Once again, any technical help is much apreciated.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Tage on May 16, 2003, 07:02:46 PM
Personally, I'd recommend Geocities over Angelfire anyday. Last I checked, Geocities only did the little corner window thing, which can be easily closed or ignored, and didn't have any popups.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 16, 2003, 07:29:22 PM
geocities didn't offer stuff like free java-script and CGI. Actually, I have to option to use 3 seriously annoying animated ads on the frames themselves. Is this more or less objectionable than the pop-ups?

The frames are probaly the real problem as far as dl times and the ads are concerned anyway. The trouble is, if I try to switch to a framless set up, we lose alot of the navagation pluses. I'd like to uese style sheets but have no idea how to work with/find them.

Running a webcomic is a lot more work than most people think, especially when you target audience has a diffrent platform and connection than you. BTW, is anyone having any resolution problems?
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Entsuropi on May 16, 2003, 07:39:52 PM
ARgh! argh!

LOSE THE FRAMES

Try and work on the look of the site - i despise nothing more than a black webpage.

Also, get rid of the effing popups... ive got popup blocker running but its still annoying.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 16, 2003, 07:47:42 PM
 ??? what's wrong with a black web page? It seems like an obvious chioce when we're using colored Lettering. I can't exactly kill the pop-ups without :
1) changing sites for the 3rd time
2) switching to the animated banners

I'm working on an alternative to the frames, though I don't see getting that idea off the ground anytime soon.
I'm trying here, Entrophy, just give me time (its been a little over 24 hours since I posted here for the first time)
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Entsuropi on May 16, 2003, 07:52:29 PM
For me a black webpage:

Looks unprofessional
Is rather uninspiring... it not not very interesting to look at
Has goth overtones
It does not look nice... at all.

And i am trying to offer constructive criticism here.

Oh, be aware that TWG only reviews comics >100 strips/ 1 year old.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 16, 2003, 08:00:42 PM
Just getting the word out.
I appreciate the help, I was just a little put off by the AHHH!  ;) . We're working hard to lock down all the glaring technical problems before there is a change of style.
I think I'm still going to keep the black, No offense, because I abhor how the site looked in stark black and white. And the Goth overtones -- heh heh, if my partner was doing the site, there would be a lot more than just overtones  ;D .
Probably should have gotten in a few other posts in before I delurked.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Tage on May 16, 2003, 09:08:10 PM
Actually, some of us know very well what goes into creating and maintaining a webcomic. For the sake of decency, I won't dig out American Bachelors with Mecha, but it was certainly amusing while it lasted.

I very strongly suggest you try to go with a style similar to most other current webcomics. Very few use frames (even Framed!!!), and most try to work out an eye-catching color style. Having a black background isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it can be a turn-off.

Also, TWG unfortunately isn't reviewing *any* webcomics at the moment, since EUOL left us and let that section die. However, you're still welcome to post about it here.

And don't mind Entropy. He's been very jumpy towards forum newbies lately. Down boy!
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on May 16, 2003, 10:48:29 PM
Well, if you could get me off my arse I could review several dozen at one go. I know a lot about comics as a medium (even with academic credentials!) and I read a lot of webcomics.

But you'd have to get me off my arse.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 16, 2003, 10:59:23 PM
Well, I just redid the entire site sans frames. its a bit faster, but not much. (I now officially hate HTML) I really wish my partner knew this stuff so she could help... Oh well, no pop-ups at least  :)
Hey, I could do some comic reviews. I'm reading like 10 of them these days. Just have to see what you guys have already done.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Spriggan on May 17, 2003, 01:28:39 AM
Well I would be nice to get more webcomic reviews.  EUOL just dosen't have the time to review them.  Of course he keeps telling me he's going to comeback this summer and write a few things here and there.  But I'll beleave that when I see it.  He actualy tried for quite a while to get me to take over the deparment, But I don't read a lot of webcomics, or want to.  And I don't think I'd be able to keep them at the same level of quality of past reviews.  I'm happy with just my VG/TOC/RPG deuties.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Fellfrosch on May 17, 2003, 01:58:13 AM
I prefer to avoid all activities relevant to SaintEhlers' arse.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on May 17, 2003, 08:17:35 AM
Fell, that's a good policy. One I generally follow myself.

Maybe I'll start writing out reviews. They're not as long as RPG reviews, and I have a long list of sites to review or re-review. I'd be messing with the format though, so we'll see.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Spriggan on May 17, 2003, 12:37:08 PM
the new invisible frames is defantly much better Chaos.  I'm not much of an artist, but I have some experence with internet graphics.  Might I suggest you scan in the image black and white then color it with your raster program (Photoshop or like programs)  it would be cleaner and smaller file size.  The way you're doing it now causes a large varation in tones/colors which increases the file size.  At least that's how it works with vector graphics.
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on May 17, 2003, 04:59:15 PM
That would be my partner's department. she's in charge of all comic stylistics, including color. She's been talking about moving away from marker though. Maybe I can convince her to us her editing software instead... But you know how artists are...
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on June 08, 2003, 10:14:11 PM
just a little update, I've redone the site, with more links and such and a better nav interface.
Title: Entropy's Helpful Advice Time
Post by: Entsuropi on June 09, 2003, 06:33:18 AM
It's Entropy's Helpful advice time!

-> I have less art ability than the average drowned rat, but the current art has very washy colours and too-thick lines - is this due to your scanning/colouring process?

-> The Website looks a lot better. I would advise that you change the next/previous links to picture links - it generally looks nicer.

-> The hyperlinks at the side could do with being a bit bigger, and more spaced apart - they tend to merge into a big blotch of green at the moment. Pictures for these would be good - even just windows paint text on a background would be sufficient.

-> Don't be tempted to have knock offs of other webcomics. It is preferable to just stick to your own story and comic.

-> Keep plugging at it. Nothing else will attract readers for the long term.

Hope this helps.  :) Good luck with the comic!
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Spriggan on June 09, 2003, 09:15:09 AM
That's a much cleaner layout Chaos, nice job.  It also loads much faster.   Keep up the good work
Title: Re: NEw Webcomic: Ledgermain
Post by: Chaosman on June 11, 2003, 06:29:44 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys, I'll do more work on the nav bar.
The earlier are was a real pain to scan, but I think the newer comics are much better in that respect. Nxy is always changing her processes.
What do you mean, knocking off other comics? The fourth Wall thing was a take off of the now dead Argonauts fan fic and will only happen when I need a filler comic (likr that one.
Back to work for me, thanx guys!  ;D