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General => Suggestions Box => Topic started by: Peter Ahlstrom on September 26, 2004, 10:06:13 PM
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Okay, I'm confused. What does Class Importance mean? Is a low number something you should focus on, or is a HIGH number something you should focus on? Should I put more points into something with an importance of 1 or something with an importance of 10?
Is there a FAQ on this anywhere? I did a forum search for "stats" and came up with nothing useful.
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The main thing to remember is that the stats are thoroughly meaningless. Beyond that, the forum FAQ has a section for teh game, but it hasn't been written yet to my knowledge. So I don't know what to tell you.
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That last post was actually me. My stupid brother logged in with his name on my computer.
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Oh! Burn!
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Oh yeah? Well, I'm rubber and you're glue. Jerkface.
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now, now, children. Can't we be civilized and never argue? Y'know, like...me. In everything I say.
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Is it just me, or does SE have the wrong end of the stick right there?
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/me pokes JP with the wrong end of the stick.
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See, it doesn't hurt, because you're poking me with the wrong end of the stick.
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Unless the stick is a spear. In which case you just got prodded by several inches of steel.
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I think the pointy end would be considered the right end to poke someone with, rather than the wrong end. Just me though, and I must admit I've never actually poked someone with a spear, so I'm speaking purely on conjecture.
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ah, but the pointy end is the wrong end to be poked WITH.
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Yes, but you said you were poking me with the wrong end, thus it is the wrong end from you - the pokers- perspective rather than my - the pokees - respective. So it still doesn't hurt, and if you keep it up, I'll point out to everyone that you're a pokerman. (To be said in a jamaican accent)
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/me pokes JP WITH THE POINTY PIKE OF NERD-DOOM!
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So...the class importance numbers mean nothing?
I'm tired of getting beaten handily by people with fewer hitpoints than me!
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the lower the importance the less points need to upgrade the item or spell, that's all it means.
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That sounds reversed. Huh. You can easily level up in things that are unimportant to your class, but leveling up in things that are important to your class is difficult? So it seems to me that everyone would just specialize in stuff that is unimportant to their class and build powerful characters quickly.
But what I was really asking is this: What is high importance on this scale? 1? or 10? Does 1 mean most important, or does 10 mean most important?
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1 is most important thus takes less points.
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Okay, thanks.
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Why did Student of Warfare get shafted on spell/equipment names? The only thing that got named was his weapons, and I think that was after I mentioned it. If its just coming up with the names, I can help do that.
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Okay, I got a few quotes for the warrior class.
0- Ditchdigging is a trade, gravedigging is a hobby.
1- When you meet the ferryman, be a pal and tell him I got three more coming his way.
2- They say the pen is mighter than the sword, but you'll have a hard time using either once I cut your hands off.
3- What's wrong, did some crippled kid steal your real sword?
4- You're going to look pretty silly with this sword sticking out of your face.
5- This is a vorpal blade, the most powerful sword in the DnD world. In fact, it can take your head clean off. So you got to ask yourself one question, "Do I feel lucky?" Well do you, punk?!
6- The human body only holds five liters of blood, so why do you have three on the outside and only two on the inside?
7- That's no cemetary, its my back yard!
8- When you have as many bonus feats as I do, you'll find it worth-while to invest in dual-wielding. Digging two graves at once really frees up the schedule.
9- I don't need more skill points, loot corpse is untrained.
10- Stop your wimpering and fight, I only cut off your stupid legs!
11- I didn't know you could take Weapon Focus in bunkum.
12- Dying is so cliche, why don't you people try something else for a change.
13- So what now, you beat me with your severed arm, or just stand there and bleed?
14- Next time I could fight you weaponless and blindfolded, but I doubt you'd be any more of a challenge.
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15- Your death is an experiment. I want to see what happens when even the bowels of Hell won't accept your stink.
16- I'm going to kill you, pay off the ferryman to bring you back, then kill you again.
17- Here's a bag of gold. Its going to take more than two coins for Charon to boat this kind of stink around.
18- I wonder if Charon will give me a group discount if I start sending this trash in bulk.
19- Yet another poor soul literally fighting for me to get them into Hell.
20- I'll need to invent a new class of Stink for you.
21- Don't worry if you wasted all your gold on healing potions, I can probably get you into Hell for free. Charon is a personal friend of mine.
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EP, I think you mean "bowels" on that last one.
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Heh, thanks.
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Hum. I'm not sure what happened. I had other things for that class, I think, but I'm not sure where they went.
Anyway, your taunts are quite clever. I'll stick them in.
Edit--Did you come up with those, or did you filch them from somewhere? I'd rather not end up with copyright problems...
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No, I made them up... although one or two are redone movie quotes (ie dirty harry)
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They're very clever. Good job!
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y'know, my class has NEVER had taunts. Or weapons.
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Yeah... hmmm, good guy taunts can be tough though. But the one I actually modified from a taunt I made up for my DnD cleric.
'I'm going to kill you, pay off the ferryman to bring you back, then kill you again. '
Originally that was "I'm going to kill you, raise you from the dead, then kill you again." But it only really worked like that for a cleric (since they could do that, heh).
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Cleric...
Supernatural miracles for food!
Blinded by the light... along with deaf, dumb, mute, cursed, and diseased. I can cure all that, but there will be a surcharge of course.
I'm not allowed to shed blood, but I can bust you up pretty good with this heavy mace.
Its okay to take life if you can give it back, right?
Don't call it torture, call it purification of the soul.
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It's ok. I forgive you for being such an evil jerk.
And you are blessed... and you are blessed... and you are blessed... and you are CURSED!
I don't believe that God lets scum like you repent. Looks like I'll have to send you to hell.
You won't see me in hell, but rest assured I'll be laughing at you from heaven.
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More Divinity taunts:
Good boys go to heaven. You're just going to be torturously violated by the slime-coated tentacles of the abyssmal beast.
I smite you in the name of goodness!
God loves you. But he wants me to beat you senseless.
(alternate to above) God may love you, but he loves me more.
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I don't believe that God lets scum like you repent. Looks like I'll have to send you to hell.
lol, I really like this one.
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Clerics and fighters wear the same kind of armor, so maybe they could have the same list. I got the starts of one if we need it. Probably needs quite a few more, with some cool artifact-type armor towards the end.
Padded
Leather
Hide
Rusty Scalemail
Studded Leather
Ringmail
Masterwork Studded Leather
Scalemail
Chainmail Shirt
Banded Mail
Breastplate
Half-plate
Fullplate
Fieldplate
Elven Chainmail
Mithril Breastplate
Gorgon Hide
+1 Studded Leather
+1 Breastplate
Dragonhide
Rhinohide
+2 Breastplate
Breastplate of Command
Fortified Fullplate
+3 Breastplate
+3 Fullplate
+4 Breastplate
+4 Fullplate
+5 Breastplate
+5 Fullplate
Soulforged Steel
Hellfire Tempering
Demonplate Suit
Armor Of Invulnerablity
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now keep in mind that the forum classes are not exactly equivelant to D&D classes. After all, I'm a student of divinity, not a cleric.
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Yeah, but stick with what you know, right? Heh. I need *something* to relate them to.
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H-to-H Style:
0-Untrained Fisticuffs
Schooled Fisticuffs
Practiced Fisticuffs
Barnyard Boxing
Practiced Boxing
Vintage Boxing
Backstreet Brawling
Vintage Wrestling
Featherweight Boxing
Lightweight Boxing
Middleweight Boxing
Heavyweight Boxing
Full-Contact Wrestling
Shaolin Boxing
Drunkard Boxing
Ranged Weapon:
0-Sling
javelin
throwing dagger
hand crossbow
light crossbow
whip
throwing axe
throwing hammer
heavy crossbow
fighting net
three-pronged bolas
shortbow
composite shortbow
great crossbow
repeating crossbow
longbow
horn shortbow
composite longbow
mighty longbow
greatbow
composite greatbow
shotput
energy crossbow
mighty greatbow
javelin of lightning
+1 horn shortbow
+1 mighty longbow
+1 mighty greatbow
enchanted recurve bow
compound bow
flaming recurve bow
enchanted compound bow
longbow of arcane power
Elven longbow
returning shotput
Magic Item 1:
0-Minor Healing Potion
Gauntlets Of Ogre Power
Belt Of Hill Giant Strength
Belt Of Stone Giant Strength
Belt Of Frost Giant Strength
Belt Of Fire Giant Strength
Belt Of Cloud Giant Strength
Belt Of Storm Giant Strength
Girdle Of The Titans
Belt Of Mighty Prowess
Horned Helmet Of The Dark God
Magic Item 2:
0-Minor Healing Potion
Ring Of Sustenance
Boots Of Striding And Springing
Bracers Of Archery
Cloak Of Resistance +1
Amulet Of Thought Protection
Ring Of Protection +1
Cloak Of Resistance +2
Arrow Of Slaying
Amulet Of Endurance
Ring Of Protection +2
Bracers Of Greater Archery
Minor Ring Of Spellstoring
Cloak Of Resistance +3
Amulet Of Adaptation
Ring Of Protection +3
Stone Of Good Fortune
Special Attack:
0-Cleave
Great Cleave
Armor Rend
Whirlwind Attack
Deep Impact
Psychic Assault
Yellow Lotus Hush
Bag-O-Rats
Thunder Fusion
Harrowed Roar
Earth Fusion
Dust Demon
Aqua Fusion
Mouth Of the Leviathan
Frost Fusion
IceClone
Flame Fusion
Nebula Flare
Acidic Fusion
Caustic Haze
Spirit Fusion
Soulstorm
Omegathane
Omniassault
Special Magic:
0-Fast Healing
Power Surge
Spell Resistance
Minor Regeneration
Dark Metamorphosis
Mind Blank
Regeneration
Antimagic Shell
Arcane Strike
Greater Regeneration
Imbue Armor
Imbue Weapon
Wartroll Regeneration
Aura Of Fear
Envenom Weapon
Regrow Severed Limbs
Inspire Frenzy
Form Of Doom
Immortal Regeneration
Armageddon Recall
Summon Abomination
Deific Rejuvenation
Special Maneuver:
0-Coup de Grace
Armor Use
Shield Bash
Trip Attack
Powerful Charge
Sundering Cleave
Copse-de-Copse
Riposte
Blindfighting
Angry Strike
Hamstring
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Hmm. Things to do with a Bag-o-rats. . .
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Do you play DnD 3rd edition? Well Bag-O-Rats is this really nasty trick fighters can pull off by combining Great Cleave, Whirlwind Attack, and lots of expendable enemies, or "rats" (ie summoned creatures, the BBEG's lacky minions, etc. Or just an actual bag of rats you pack around to dump at the BBEG's feet before you Great Cleave him to death) Its just kind of a joke for DnD players, its powerful and broken (which is why they made it impossible to do in 3.5 DnD).
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Got some spell names now
Offensive Dark Magic:
0-Dark Charm
Touch Of Fatigue
Magic Missile
Scorching Ray
Fireball
Phantasmal Killer
Cone Of Cold
Disintegrate
Delayed Blast Fireball
Polar Ray
Meteor Swarm
Wish
Offensive Light Magic:
0-Heroic Charisma
Inflict Minor Wounds
Inflict Light Wounds
Inflict Moderate Wounds
Inflict Serious Wounds
Inflict Critical Wounds
Slay Living
Harm
Destruction
Earthquake
Energy Drain
Miracle
Defensive Dark Magic:
0-Mental Fortitude
Resistance
Shield
Blur
Dispel Magic
Stoneskin
Energy Shield
Spell Turning
Mind Blank
Foresight
True Freedom
Wish
Defensive Light Magic:
0-Mental Fortitude
Cure Minor Wounds
Cure Light Wounds
Cure Moderate Wounds
Cure Serious Wounds
Cure Critical Wounds
Dispel Evil
Heal
Regenerate
Holy Aura
Astral Projection
Miracle
Neutral Spell:
0-Love For Nature
Guidance
Magic Fang
Warp Wood
Spike Growth
Spike Stones
Wall Of Fire
Spellstaff
Changestaff
Repel Metal Or Stone
Shapechange
Force Of Nature
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see, a lot of those are spell names specifically in D&D. I don't think we can use stuff like "Phantasmal Killer" without breaking onto copyright grounds.
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Yes, I intentionally tried to avoid references to D&D. I put in the warrior taunts you came up with because they were blasted funny, and because I figured one little section of 'in' jokes was okay.
I really like some of these--the boxing, and most of the ranged weapons--but things like "Belt of Cloud Giant Strength" seem a little too D&D to me. I don't want to throw away the work you've done, but I'd really rather use things that seem a little more original.
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I think the only dnd spells with a copyright are the ones not in the OGL, like the Mordenkainen spells... which are actually in there, just without the character name. But no dnd spells at all? That will take forever... although stuff like stoneskin and fireball isn't exactly dnd specific.
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Actually, i'm going to rant a little aobut copyright law and proper use of the d20 or OGL lisence:
WHen you write something down, it is copyrighted. No ifs ands or buts. That is the law.
However, you can give written permission for someone to use your material in other contexts. There are already a number of legally allowed uses, some under the often mis-understood "fair use" scheme that are typically used to defend copying someone else's work, and some which cover reviews, academic work, etc. Very few of them allow you to make any money off the copyrighted material, but it's possible under things like parody (OF the material, not using copyrighted material to parody something else, which was probably the argument in American Greetings' smackdown of PA over Strawberry Strumpet).
The lisence Wizards of the Coast has provided is one of two. d20 or OGL. There are important differences, basically pertaining to how similar the system is to the original d20, but for the purposes of what you're proposing, there's no need to go into that. The essential problem with using their spell names, legally, is that we are not fulfilling terms of either lisence in many areas: actually using a d20 system being a huge one, and not posting the lisence information being another huge one, and not designating clearly and specifically which material is d20 and which is original being yet another gigantic, monster violation of the lisence.
Now, I believe EUOL's main reason for doing it was just for it to be something esle. The forum classes are not meant to be specifically D&D spoofs. They're meant to be something else entirely. However, even if he did, there would be a lot of work we'd have to do in order to make it legal before we did so. It's easier to come up with creative new ideas than it is to either copy a spell name or come up with a new name for a spell with the same idea.
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As the ranking student of nature I guess I should come up with stuff... since I have no taunts, and I think my weapons stopped at Big rock...
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you could have stuff like geologicaly repressed rock
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I want a buck and a quarter quarter staff...
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Aren't the neutral spells both offensive and defensive? Those ones are hard to come up with.
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I kind of made neutral spells elemental spells when I was doing it. Not sure why. Anyway, they turned into the type of magic that the Student of Nature class uses.
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Hmm, well that was a little different then what I was doing. Okay, am I getting closer now?
Offensive Dark Magic:
0-Somatic Gesture
Impsnare
Serpentfang
Fatigue Bomb
Hellfire Blast
Nightmare Assult
Demoncry Chant
Hellfire Flare
Demonscream
Hellfire Omega
Mental Crush
Earth-King's Hammer
Demonprince Wrath
Lightbringer's Fall
Offensive Light Magic:
0-Heroic Charisma
Minor Affliction
Guilt Of The Wicked
Blast Infidel
Affliction
Manifest Sin
Purge Transgressor
Major Affliction
Holy Reckoning
Purifying Light
True Affliction
Deific Word
Defensive Dark Magic:
0-Mental Fortitude
Dark Chant
Demonscale
Energy Shield
Demonic Protection
Reflect Spell
Darkglyph
Demonward
Nullfield
Diabolical Trickery
Defensive Light Magic:
0-Mental Fortitude
Holy Shield
Purifying Light
Angelic Halo
Heavenly Ward
Armor Of the Word
Angelic Guard
Unquenchable Light
Creator Recourse
Angelic Host
Neutral Spell:
0-Naturally Inclined
Heart Of The Wolf
Speed Of The Panther
Strength Of The Bear
Rhino Armament
Fairy Favor
Breath Of The Zephyr
Earthcall
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I kind of made neutral spells elemental spells when I was doing it. Not sure why. Anyway, they turned into the type of magic that the Student of Nature class
And I like them, they come in quite handy at parties...
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Somatic Gesture is ranking right up there for me with Gender Pie
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Its a no-spell level, the idea was you're just waving your arms around trying to get something to happen. If you got a better name for it, go ahead.
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i just meant that it was funny.