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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Miyabi on August 24, 2008, 06:59:27 PM
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OK, a few random things to think about that don't really go in any of the other topics. I don't think any of this was talked about, but it might have been before I became active again. Or a time or two when I missed a few days and didn't read all of the topics. ha ha.
Nails - Sazed talks of nails that he found in the Koloss, but he never describes the metal they are actually made of. . . . Atium? Malatium?
Grails - (Oops I translated grail wrong, it should be blood. xP) So in the two Heroes we know about they share some things in common. 1)The could both use Hemalurgy. 2)They were both Allomancers. 3)They were Heroes. What if the becoming of a Hero has to do with heredity? Perhaps shortly after becoming the Hero Rashek had a child, which eventually lead, over a thousand years, to Vin? That could explain her abnormally strong abilities with Allomancy. Perhaps also giving her the potential of having unknown, yet, Feruchemical powers? This could support my other theory in the. . . oh what thread was it. . . oh yeah. This one. (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=5952.0) It would support a lot of the stuff I talk about in there. ha ha.
Epic Fails - I think that in order for Vin to gain the power she needs most in order to defeat Ruin . . . she is going to have to lose a lot. Sazed? Elend? Both? I'm not sure, but I think she will have to suffer in order to defeat Ruin.
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I believe there was a koloss topic a while back in which we discussed the nails, I'm not sure if we got into depth on that one. And although Rashek may or may not have believed himself to be the hero, Alendi was the actual 'Hero of Ages,' at the time, even though they were misled by ruin. I don't buy this blood thing, I don't think Rashek would have children, although that would support him being the hero of ages (the whole, no woman would keep him bit).
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Oh wait. I got all confuddled when typing. What I meant to say was Alendi had a child shortly before he went on his quest to become the Hero. That could be why Ruin tried so hard to get her to the Well, because she could release him?
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I don't think Alendi had a child either, although it is possible, it seems a little far fetched to me.
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I don't see why its impossible that Alendi had a child it doesn't seem far fetched to me. Maybe Alendi didn't know about the child.
The theory that Miyabi talks about seems plausible to me, however it doesn't seem to me that the Mistborn world revolves too much around heredity except for the fact the Allomancy anf Feruchemy are passed down that way.
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And Alendi had no allomancy, so how would that makes sense, in less you're saying he's on her skaa side? It's not impossible, but it does seem far-fetched at least to me anyways.
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I don't think there is any mention whether or not Alendi had any power at all. He might have had Allomantic powers.
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No, I think he would have mentioned that in his Logbook, and compared the pulses in his mind to allomancy like Vin did, but Kelsier says that Alendi makes no mention of allomancy in his logbook.
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Maybe Alendi did not get pulses in his mind like Vin because Ruin realized that Alendi wouldn't what Ruin wanted and Ruin changed its tactics
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Alendi did get the pulses in his head, he mentioned it in his logbook. I dont think it is safe to say weather Alendi had any power or not. That period of time is such a haze its hard to say. Somehow Alendi amassed a following and was like a king so it is possible for him to have had powers but the lack of mention kinda makes me steer the other way about it.
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What if Alendi stopped feeling the pulses? It is unclear if that might be the case. Maybe Alendi stopped getting the pulses, or maybe Rashek got them as well, leading them to a direct confrontation
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But we DO know for sure he had Hemalurgy. So he MIGHT have had Allomancy as well. But the main point I was trying to make was that being the Hero was potentially hereditary.
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I believe that the only thing that we can be sure of is that Rashek had Ferumchemy. Feruchemy is hereditary, so is Allomancy, once a person snaps. Hemalurgy seems to be something that can be obtained through certain rites. It is unsure if Alendi had any powers.
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It talks about his piercings and such. It basically says, "Alendi was a Hemalurgist." without actually saying it.
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do you know where, because having piercings does not mean he had Hemalurgy?
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It's true, they could just be the marks of the hero. It seems likely that hemalurgy is involved, but it is not for certain.
We know Alendi heard the well pulses, because he says it in his logbook, something about being tired, and all these things are overwhelming him, Rashek's hate, the mist spirit following him, the deepness, the well pulsing in his head. He just says pulses though, and never compares them to allomancy. I'm pretty sure it;s safe to say that Alendi has no allomancy, and it was first discovered when Rashek ventured into the cave and found that metal.
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But if it wasn't Allomancy then how did he feel the pulses As I saw it the pulses themselves were Allomantic.
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Why would they need to be Allomantic? Hemalurgy bestowes Allomantic powers, maye that"s enough. Or its always possible that Allomantic powers have nothing to do with feeling the pulses. Maybe its just Ruin, or whoever/whatever's way of communicating with a person to do what they want.
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I guess that could be true, but I'm leaning more towards it being tied to Allomancy.
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Hemalurgy does not necessarily bestow allomantic powers. That's a possibility of what it does, but not the only one. Anyway, earlier it was mentioned that Alendi may not have been a hemalurgist. This is true, but it seems very likely.
1 - He has piercings. Piercings in these books tend to relate to hemalurgy
2 - He has fought a lot and apparently won a lot, even against Terris people with their Feruchemy. He's got to have SOMETHING that allows him to win. My guess is hemalurgy.
3 - He hears the well's pulsing, (most likely) without allomancy. Vin also hears it without allomancy. So, my guess is that it's hemalurgy related.
Makes sense.
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Yeah. I never thought about the pulses being tied to Hemalurgy.
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i dont know...Rashek would have to be pretty stupid to leave a child of Alendi's just lying around. Thats arch-villian mistake number 01; kill your nemesis, then leave his children around to mature and think about revenge. Which, according to this theory, eventually happened...1000 years later.
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How can you say that Hemalurgy doesn't bestow Allomantic powers? Marsh was only able to burn bronze before he became a Steel Inquisitor and now he can burn tin.
Unless what you mean is that Hemalurgic powers may interact and be the same as Allomantic powers, but that seems unlikely to me as it seems that none of the magic systems seems to link together separately. They can work together if a person has more than one pwer but they don't seem to be interactive on their own. Vin couldn't gain Sazed's power enhanced ring (I don't remember which one it was) when she bruned it.
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Because it's through Hemalurgy that he gets the power. We aren't sure if it gives you Allomantic powers or something similar that is just a bit different.
i.e. - You can't pierce a Copper Cloud with Allomancy, but you can with Hemalurgy.
(Could a Hemalurgic Copper Cloud keep Vin out?)
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I don't agree that its because of Hemalurgy that Vin pierces the copper cloud. She is just a lot stronger the any other Mistborn we have seen. She killed a Mistborn with about a year's experience. That was the Mistborn that was after Elend. That Mistborn had Atium.
Kelsier was barely able to disable the Steel Inquisitor to get into TLR centre room. Vin stopped a couple of them to get in. She seems almost able to rival with them in the first book.
She killed Zane who was burning Atium.
Brandon states that TLR gets his pwer from a different source than Vin. I don't think he is just talking about Feruchemy, that would be too obvious. I think Vin is somehow more connected to the mists. I think her ability to pierce copper clouds is her power.
It seems to me that Brandon created the three magic systems to be able to react together in the same world, compliment each other. Hemalurgy has its own power, but it also grants a person Allomantic powers. Steel inquisitors see trace metals and Brandon says that any Allomancer can learn to do the same. This hints at an Allomantic power not a separate Hemalurgic power. that only Hemalurgist's can do.
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But her earring, which enable her to repel the mists, does suggest hemalurgy. It also prevents her from burning the mists, as the only time she does is when the Lord Ruler pushes it out of her ear.
I think all the inquisitors have allomancy and hemalurgy. I think they get allomancy from that metal that Elend ate, and then Hemalurgy does something else, like give them their increaced healing, perhaps some of the spikes enhance natural abilities, speed, strenght, maybe ONE spike enhances allomancy. Maybe other spikes give the inquisitors their extended liife span. I think it's something like that, each spike bestowing some sort of ability, which would also explain Alendi's prowess, he probably had enhanced strength or speed or something from his piercings.
I think Vin's ability to pierce copper clouds may be due to hemalurgy, but she also has many other abilities that suggest she is special on her own. Her quick grasp of allomancy, her extreme subtelty with soothing and rioting, her ability to match kelsier's steel push, even though he should have easily overwhelmedher because he is heavier, and of course, her ability to burn the mists. The earring is special, but Vin is also special without it.