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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #195 on: September 30, 2008, 06:18:43 AM »
Okay, you guys know the drill... T-15 days?
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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #196 on: September 30, 2008, 02:50:55 PM »
I think what we talked about yesterday deserves another day. 

Thanks for posting the Ars Arcanum, Andrew.  It actually helped me notice something.  Inq's would have little or no real reason to have a gold, malatium, aluminum, or electrum spike (assuming they have an atium spike at least).  Yet they have 11 spikes in their bodies.  The base 8 with atium and duralumin would leave room for 1 additional metal.  If one Keeper was needed for each Inq, then a gold spike would be the 11th, storing health.  Now for a really out there theory.  What if TLR was so strong he was able to imbue metals Hemallurgically using his own body and survive the process?  They wouldn't need Keepers to give the health restore that way.  Like I said, waaaayyy out there.  The new issue with the Speedy Inq would be whether or not a 12th spike was added, or they are making specialists who replaced a former ability with speed.  Seeing as the atium stash is either missing or there is no atium left, we can guess that the atium spike has been replaced with a second steel spike, this one Feruchemically imbued with the ability to store speed.  My only evidence to this is the speed Inq didn't turn on his Atium despite fighting two allomancers.  This could also be because he was overconfident, but it does leave the possibility open.
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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #197 on: September 30, 2008, 03:22:20 PM »
Well what about the gold? I mean even if he turned on his atium it would have served no purpose seeing how Vin was burning gold and she said that made her imune to atium burners.
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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #198 on: September 30, 2008, 04:00:40 PM »
Well, it was electrum not gold that Vin was burning.  And that brings up another question I have - if electrum allows you to see your own future, how does that work as a poor man's atium?  Vin seeing her own future would not change anything in the way the Inquisitor sees her, would it?  So it wouldn't mess up her atium shadows, if he was burning atium.  The only thing it would do is allow her to see what she was about to do or be, which might help her avoid a fatal attack, but I can't imagine it actually combatting atium.
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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #199 on: September 30, 2008, 04:04:59 PM »
I could see it more as she would be seeing something similar to what the inq was seeing. She would see what she was going to do and so would he. That would give the user the ability to choose between a set number of outcomes and both the inq and the user would be on even ground. They would both see the same thing she just wouldn't be able to see what he was going to do and yes that puts her at a disadvantage but if she acts according to how she thinks he is going to react then she doesn't need to see what hes going to do.
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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #200 on: September 30, 2008, 05:46:11 PM »
Well, it was electrum not gold that Vin was burning.  And that brings up another question I have - if electrum allows you to see your own future, how does that work as a poor man's atium?  Vin seeing her own future would not change anything in the way the Inquisitor sees her, would it?  So it wouldn't mess up her atium shadows, if he was burning atium.  The only thing it would do is allow her to see what she was about to do or be, which might help her avoid a fatal attack, but I can't imagine it actually combatting atium.

The trickiness with Atium is that if you can see what someone else is going to do, you change what you are going to do.  With just one person burning Atium, that one person is at a huge advantage; they can survive just about any one-on-one confrontation.  With two though, there is a feedback effect; when you see someone what someone else is going to do, that changes what you will do, which changes what they will do, etc.  Thus there is a mess of shadows showing all the possibilities.  The one that really happens is thus essentially just cleverness and free will then.

With Electrum, you get the same feedback effect.  You see what you are going to do, which in turn changes what you decide to actually do.  If you see yourself dieing, you dodge the blow, which means you move differently, which means the Atium burner sees two different shadows, which changes how he decides to attack, which changes what you see happening to yourself, which means you do something different, which creates more shadows which...

And so on.  It isn't nearly as useful as being able to see what your opponent is going to do, but it does mean he doesn't know what you are going to do either.  In Vin's case, it was a sensible precaution.
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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #201 on: September 30, 2008, 06:07:23 PM »
Also remember that Atium allows you to better process the information and respond.  It gives you Spidey-reflexes, for lack of a better analogy.  In this way, the Atium burner will still have an advantage, it just won't be as significant. 
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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #202 on: September 30, 2008, 11:25:40 PM »
With Electrum, you get the same feedback effect.  You see what you are going to do, which in turn changes what you decide to actually do.  If you see yourself dieing, you dodge the blow, which means you move differently, which means the Atium burner sees two different shadows, which changes how he decides to attack, which changes what you see happening to yourself, which means you do something different, which creates more shadows which...

If I'm not mistaken this happens with atium anyway?  At any moment there are a set number of things anyone can do, this is what a person without atium would know.  Burning atium just gives a "most probable future", right?  In the second book that's how Vin beat Zane.  She mentally prepared a future then changed it at the last moment giving Zane two atium shadows.  I need to go back and read the initial introduction of atium to Vin...

Logically, If someone has no solid future event then it's much more difficult for a solid atium read.

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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #203 on: October 01, 2008, 01:47:16 AM »
I was confused by the electrum-atium thing at first, but then I thought about it and came up with pretty much the same thing that happyman said.

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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #204 on: October 01, 2008, 02:36:22 AM »
Here Here!! Your Holiness, Master, Sir, Ma'am, Madam, whatever you want im in as well.

 And yes I also agree with happyman
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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #205 on: October 01, 2008, 06:51:09 AM »
I was confused by the electrum-atium thing at first, but then I thought about it and came up with pretty much the same thing that happyman said.

Elmandr1, I'll take you up on that. I'll even agree to call you "Your Holiness" or some other such title if you'll agree to post a video somewhere and post the link here.

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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #206 on: October 01, 2008, 07:02:14 AM »
Yeah, what Happyman said.

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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #207 on: October 01, 2008, 07:58:50 AM »
It's October, ladies and gentlemen.

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Next theory?

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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #208 on: October 01, 2008, 09:51:40 AM »
It's October, ladies and gentlemen.

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Next theory?

:D :D It's October :D

Since i have placed a rather risky bet on this.

In general. What do you guys think of idea of the HOA and the Mist spirit uniting.

Let me elaborate before you answer...


to me, or i believe, that the mist spirit is the collective souls of the HOA's of the past.

And that the HOA of today must unite with the mist spirit to destroy Ruin...That would explain why Ruin would want the world to think it evil--and that why i think it changed that part of the prophecy as well.

I don't think that deepness is the correct word.

Ruin altered it--i don't know what the word actually is but thats no it.

Vin wields the mists once...it essentially gives her powers that no other HOA can have...

Mist spirit has control over mist...

mist is formless mass of infinite energy...

so, what do ya'll think?
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Re: The Countdown
« Reply #209 on: October 01, 2008, 04:48:30 PM »
I don't have an answer to that. It's possible, but there is insufficient data... I think it's an idea that the Deepness isn't bad, but Ruin painted it the bad guy... I don't know.