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Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« on: September 08, 2004, 10:39:28 PM »
I need to draw upon the TWG's feminine side again.  I'm working on the sequel to MISTBORN, and I've been thinking that I want to provide Vin with a strong female role-model--something she's lacked all of her life.  

The character will probably come in the form of a middle-aged female Keeper.  What kinds of things would you like to see this woman teach Vin?  What lessons could Vin learn from a mother-figure that would have an obvious impact on her?
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2004, 10:50:32 PM »
How to respect men and like them without thinknig she has to be subject to them. of course, that wasn't really something bad in the first one. I'll have to read the other 2/3s of the book to see if trust continues to be an issue.

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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2004, 11:16:43 PM »
The main thing I wanted at that time of my life was a mother-figure who I could talk to about the things going on in my life--like Saint says, trust--about dating, about future plans, stuff like that. Someone who I could ask about her personal experiences and I could trust her to be honest without being preachy. Someone who was an example of a functional family/functional interpersonal relationships.

But given how you've set up the Keepers and the whatchamacallit people they're a part of, do they have families? I do want Vin to be able to grow in the realization that not everyone is like her brother--that even though he didn't abandon her, he also didn't treat her the way she deserves to be treated. She's starting to realize this in the first book, but I think she still needs to see it in example not only in the boys' club of freedom fighters, but also in a family.

She also needs to learn what it means to be a strong, vibrant woman in her world--which may or may not be the same as one in our culture, of course. She's learning to act like herself in the first book (one of my favorite parts of her development, by the way, as it is something I often struggled with growing up, knowing how to just be *me*, not what others expected of me), but do you feel that development is complete? Will she continue to have others who expect her to act in certain ways? That sort of thing.
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2004, 11:28:17 PM »
I like what Stacer says.

Vin needs to be able to trust the woman, and have the woman teach her that Vin's brother was wrong--that there are people in the world that you can trust completely. She needs to teach Vin that there are people who will like you just because you're you--not because of something that you can do for them.

She can teach Vin about girl things--Vin's rarely been around other women, and the woman could teach her to have confidence in herself as a woman, along with things as small as how on earth to act around guys when she's being herself, etc.


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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2004, 11:30:33 PM »
I second that, too.
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2004, 11:31:40 PM »
I think ideally she would get an older sister/mother figure from her.  Someone who can teach her but also listen and empathize, just chat and do "girl talk" with.  For Vin this will be a WEIRD concept - she's probably never done "girl talk" ever in her life!  
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2004, 11:42:53 PM »
Have you ever seen Miss Congeniality? There's a line in there that applies, about "girl talk." Basically, she's bewildered by the concept of girl talk.
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2004, 12:33:57 AM »
Actually that might be a good research movie for this topic.
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2004, 09:38:08 AM »
if she's learned soem trust in the first book, then in the second she should be moving past just trusting people. That's where a relationship with a keeper would be cool, I think. She can learn to start trusting in more abstract concepts, or even in divinity. It seems like a natural progression of a theme already extant in the series.

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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2004, 10:02:17 AM »
Yes, that too. But I think she was just at the beginning of being able to trust the boyfriend. Now she can grow in other ways. Basically, I'd like to see her come into her own, so to speak--to show in fulfillment the potential she was showing in the first book.

Best line from Miss Congeniality re girl talk: "I can't do girl talk with a guy in my head. I can't even do it with me in my head."
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2004, 04:25:51 PM »
I second the girl talk.

Sometimes you need to talk to a girl because a man wants to solve your problems--to fix it, and you just want to talk. To think outloud at somebody.

Motherhood is at the core of my life right now and I can only tell you that while the whole situation sometimes seems more frustrating than I can bear, I feel more complete than I did before. Consider giving Vin someone to take care of, as a lot of growth can happen this way too.
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2004, 08:22:42 PM »
MoD, I completely agree. Not that I'm a mother, of course, but in a way, we're all mothers, as Sheri Dew said--when I tutor, when I babysit my nephew, and when I serve others, it's a completely different experience. Probably the difference between being other-oriented and self-oriented?
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2004, 08:35:49 PM »
maybe the mothering can be third book?
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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2004, 10:33:16 PM »
/me wonders how well EUOL can write about motherhood.

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Re: Ladies, EUOL Needs More Help
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2004, 08:53:11 AM »
Don't deny you don't want to see him give it a shot.
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