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General => Rants and Stuff => Topic started by: Nicadymus on January 27, 2005, 03:25:00 PM
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As a man, I am often times confused when it comes to the choices that women make. My most recent bout of confusion came only several moments ago. I was sitting in the lounge preparing for my Constitutional Law class at 2 when I noticed a fellow student walk by wearing a pair of sweat pants with "UMKC LAW" emblazoned on her...ummm...how to say this without being offensive to our female members...ummm... rear end. She then turned around and I became aware that she must really be a fan of the UMKC Kangaroos as her cut off baby-T that was 3 sizes too small had the UMKC mascot and "GO ROOS" emblazoned on the small amount of cloth that was covering her... umm... torso... yeah, that's it. Torso.
Anyway, as I sat there I realized that this might put me in a bad situation. After all, most women don't like it when you stare at certain parts of their anatomy.
Then I began wondering why women wear clothing that inherently draws attention to specific parts of their bodies, and then complain that they are offended when the see men staring at those same parts of their bodies.
Can the women of the forum offer any info on this issue?
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Such girls seem to buy into the notion that they can wear what they want, while at the same time believing the "sex kitten" idea, that attention from certain men for certain things is desireable, I think. I have no idea. Personally, I don't go for such attention-seeking methods.
I have no idea.
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In my opinion it's an example of hypocracy and low self-esteem.
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My little sister wears clothing like that, and she's anything but sexual. I think she just thinks that doing things like that is cute, and doesn't really understand the reaction it provokes.
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Hmm, I shouldn't have made that statement seem so all encompassing. Sorry EUOL.
It does seem to be a clothing trend. A few months ago there was a big stink in a Ventura County school because a girl was sent home for wearing a pair of pants that proclaimed "luscious" across the obvious section of anatomy. The mother of said girl was furious that she had been sent home. "It's a designer brand!"
In my opinion, you just shouldn't do that to teenage boys.
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Yes, what MoD said. I think the older the girl is, the more likely she has at least an idea of what it does, though.
Plus, though, there's the problem of simply not being able to find clothes that fit right, given the styles. I bought a shirt from my college bookstore last semester that is a perfect example. I figured an extra large would have given me ample room. It was about 3 sizes too small. An extra large for a twelve year old, maybe.
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It does seem to be a clothing trend. ...
In my opinion, you just shouldn't do that to teenage boys.
It *is* a clothing trend, and that's why a lot of them do it. The trend understands the sexuality issue, but not all the girls do - some of them do. It's "cute" to flaunt what you've got.
But I agree - you don't DO that to teenage boys.
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We don't mind.
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I dont belive for a second that girls dont realize what theyre wearing either...
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I just think it's slutty though.
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Yeah, but sometimes guys like slutty...
sometimes its just slutty...
I hate the Jeans with the belt loop and the 2 inches above the snap cut off.
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Yeah, but sometimes guys like slutty...
Well, so where's the line for you as a guy? Where does it stop being "wow that's hot she's barely dressed" and become "ew"?
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When he becomes a eunuch :P
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It fluctuates...
In a club, dressing up or one on one... not so bad...
However walking down the street, in class, etc... bad
School is definately one place where girls and guys should not be wearing sexually charged clothing. I went to catholic school and I know... every single girl in my school wore her skirt way too high... thats why my wife is my wife now. I saw her first in high school... ;)
the skirt thing made being in school difficult. Pretty soon your focusing on it rather than your work.
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I like sexiness...on a specific person... >_>;;;
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Whao there Ookla, I like you as a freind only.
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Entorpy's right: We don't mind. Although, I quote MC Chris:
"Plaid Pyjama bottoms, or plaid pleated skirts, everything you girls wear makes me stir at the dirt, if I had balls I flirt with y'all in study hall, do the geek talk until your eyes rill into the bakc of your skull..."
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It fluctuates...
School is definately one place where girls and guys should not be wearing sexually charged clothing. I went to catholic school and I know... every single girl in my school wore her skirt way too high... thats why my wife is my wife now. I saw her first in high school... ;)
the skirt thing made being in school difficult. Pretty soon your focusing on it rather than your work.
Same school, same reaction, However, in a bizzar sequence of events, My attraction to a particular vixen-like brunette actress, (Who I first noticed due to the hang of her skirt) Began an extended sequence of events that led to me meeting my wife..... YEARS LATER
But I wonder if I would not have been more focused on my school work, if there was less feminin flirtation to focus on......
(in those years I was refered to by many as "the youngest dirty old man".... I was a letch)
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Ok. I agree that clothing of the nature we are discussing is definitely distracting. However, what I would really like to know is:
"Why would a self-proclaimed 'femi-nazi,' who proclaims to be empowered and is trying to be seen as more than just a woman fighting her way into a, typically, man's profession, turn around, and the very next day call attention to the female parts of her anatomy in the very forum she previously stated she was trying to have not be regarded as a woman but as an 'eqaul?'"
Now I know this adds a bit of a twist to the discussion, but I wanted to work up to this. So, there you go. Any input?
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because she wants you to want what she wants people to want, and only at the moment she wants it. Thus, if she wants you to look at her body, she has to make it available, but if she doesn't want you to look at her body, you better read her mind and look away.
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She dresses that way,
You look
She can the proclaim how "opressed" she is because you were looking
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Unless she wants you to declare how oppressed she is by wearing clothes like that.
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Well, so where's the line for you as a guy? Where does it stop being "wow that's hot she's barely dressed" and become "ew"?[/quote]
It becomes ew when - she actually isnt very attractive.
or is just straight up known as a slut.
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This conversation saddens me.
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I agree stacer, it's kind of depressing. But you can't tell me you haven't had this discussion before with the same results.
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And I find it sad, Fuzzy, that you are so quick to resort to bigotry, judging people by their looks, and declaring that anyone that dresses in a fashion you disapprove of is scum.
So much for that then, huh?
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Whatever gets you through the day.
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I hope it's not too late for me to get into the discussion, but I had always figured that if women dress that way, they want to be looked and ogled at. I am only happy to oblige by looking at the goods they want to flaunt. I do agree, however, that it is very inappropriate to be wearing revealing clothes in school. I'm there to study and learn, and seeing women wearing skimpy clothes is very distracting. But... I guess I don't really mind the scenery either...
Oh well, I guess I'm not much help in this subject 8).
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As far as I can tell only one person brought up the idea of your only a slut if your ugly... so how does that translate to all of us?
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yeah, everyone needs to calm down before they get riled up over this.
Men admit to being torn between an enjoyable biological response and perceived peronality based on the choices a person makes to wear clothes. There's nothing wrong with that.
I admit the biological response tends to dominate much of my immediate reaction. however, I chose to marry someone who does NOT dress that way. Ever (well,... except when we're alone...). so I like to think that in the long run, my opinion that the clothes aren't really appropriate is justified. I'm a bit of a hypoocrite in that I still look a lot, but everyone has something like that.
i do think that, whatever the person wearing revealing clothes is thinking, they MUST be aware that revealing clothing provokes an involuntary biological response in men, and even if they mean to refrain from oggling, it may take many of them a bit to regain control. Essentially, leering looks are what she's asking for dressing like that. It may not be fair, but it's the way it is.
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I admit the biological response tends to dominate much of my immediate reaction. however, I chose to marry someone who does NOT dress that way. Ever (well,... except when we're alone...). so I like to think that in the long run, my opinion that the clothes aren't really appropriate is justified.
And I think you're correct in that - I don't begrudge men the response they have to scantily clad women, but it's frustrating to infer that you have to dress like that to be accepted or dateable, or whatever. This whole conversation just throws me back to high school, and we all know how fun it was to be confronted with those kind of double standards every day.
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This conversation saddens me.
but it's frustrating to infer that you have to dress like that to be accepted or dateable, or whatever.
This whole conversation reminds me of why I don't dress like that--because I'm not the slightest bit interested in any guy who wants to date that. And if that means I don't date, I'm okay with that.
I think girls dress like that because as liberated as we all like to think we are, most of us aren't. At all.
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I dont mean for the girls to infer that they have to act slutty to get a guys attention. They dont... I joked a little about my wife at Catholic school, but she never dressed "sluttly" there, she did however come up to me and break the ice by asking me if I wanted to buy a box of grapefruit for the school choir. She smiled. She was funny. I liked her immediately.
Personality and confidence count for more in the long run.
Most women who dress provacatively get the converse result than the one they wanted. Its the girl who flaunts her charms for all to see who 99% of all guys are afraid to even talk to. They have horrible self esteem, rarely are interesting and have few hobbies save their own narcissicm.
Blech
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Well, I suppose I should state my opinion on the matter since I started the debate.
I feel that certain outfits are appropriate for certain venues and others are not. If you choose to wear an outfit that is not appropriate for the venue, and you subsequently receive attention that you feel is undesireable, you have brought that undesireable attention upon yourself. If you don't want to be, how did Moredew say it, "oogled," I think, then don't dress in a way that will provoke that response. And this applies to all humans, both male and female.
Deep down this is all about choice. One cannot make a choice knowing that will produce certain consequences, and then expect to not suffer those consequences. Too bad so sad. I certainly don't think that if I were to wander around the law school in nothing but a speedo that I would not get some negative attention, therefore I don't wander around the law school in a speedo. (Note: sorry for those who just had that mental picture, and for those who don't know me, I am about 5'11" blonde hair, and weigh around 180 lbs.) And even if I did choose to wander around in a speedo I certainly would not feel oppressed if someone chose to stare at me because I made the choice to invite them to stare at me.