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Reading Excuses / Re: Dec 15 - Queen'sOpal - Part 1
« on: December 18, 2008, 06:06:56 AM »
SilknSnow: Now that you mention it, I read Animorphs back in the day too, but I didn't even remember that they did that until you mentioned it. Which is usually how my bouts of 'creativity' go... Aw, well. I really don't know if there is a better way to do it at this point. I mean, in Eragon he just uses the italics and lets you figure it out, but that is a little annoying to me too...

Actually you and Chaos are both right. I hope you'll be able to see this as time goes on.

Thanks, I am working on bringing those conflicts out more. And the King will be explored, just not yet which is why I said it was okay for M to discount him as less than warm and fuzzy for now.

Who do I want to read it? That's a good question. Anyone that will I guess.... It's not especially dark or complicated, so probably a bit younger audience (or at least the more casual reader) than the usual Forgotten Realms crowd. And don't worry. No dice were used in the making of this book. :)

Guilt mostly. Just like Garrad, the elves blame themselves for the drow. Why? Now that is exactly the question I intend to carry through to the climax, so I won't get into that now. I tried to show that Garrad was sympathetic to his people, just not the elves because of the drow. Unfortunately, he is not a big enough character for me to spend much more time on his inner psyche at the moment, but the book is still young and there are many things to be explained. :)

Others might be surprised to see a dragonet (They are pretty exclusive about their companions, who they 'talk' to and he was hiding in the rafters at first for a reason) but the ones that are with Garrad are used to seeing Vernack, and they are used to Garrad being a bit mad about talking to him (Garrad wouldn't have done that in public either if he hadn't been so upset). The elves might have been a bit more surprised, but I kind of saw that as the least of their concerns at the moment....

Wow, you're like right in the middle. Later on, I tell you right out (in a coversation w/ another character) that Tayvin is  the elven equivalent 19 and Drynn is 15. Sweet.

Don't worry. Chaos already thoroughly smacked me around for the tags and I am repenting as we speak.

I will also look at the individual lines you mentioned again. Some of them I hope will make more sense as time goes on (like what happened in the final battle that made it conclusively over and why Garrad and a lot of the other humans were sitting at home instead of fighting... though mostly I used the line to show the elves' desire to get past all their previous conflict; a sentiment Garrad obviously doesn't share), but if your confused to the point of irritation, that will have to be addressed.

Oh, and Drynn really hasn't adjusted. He just is not a big reactor (like his brother is) and takes a bit longer for him to process it. The second chapter starts without a real time break and hopefully you will see this more (hazard of chapters being broken up like this).

Spejoku: They know that Vernack exists...not the powers. And they are a bit detached from them (elevated stands is all I said, but what I meant is that they are kind of in a balcony area) so they can watch, but are not really close enough to join into such a short (and one sided) conversation. I will look at the draining part again... I was just worried about being too detailed because this is another thing I will be exploring later. And I'm working on 'showing' Drynn more too (it's kinda nice when you guys all agree on something :) ).

Thank you so much! You guys are great!

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Reading Excuses / Re: Spejoku's Nightlife
« on: December 18, 2008, 02:57:56 AM »
You're right. That is a good line. Let me think about it again...
It was the line right before it I had the real issue with.
"Well, now that you’re done with the hearing overload, I think it’s high time for the scent experience."
It kinda makes me feel like he's in Jared's head. But if you just used different transition, I could easily see Caleb pointing out the garbage on his own; setting himself up for that line and giving Jared a hard time just for kicks.
And for the rest of the senses, I'd be satisfied with just one line or two that told me they hit him all at once, and then you can go ahead and separate them.
I think making a few simple adjustments like that would probably fix most the issues, so please don't take anything I said too hard.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Spejoku's Nightlife
« on: December 17, 2008, 10:40:03 PM »
Here we go with the dreaded frog critique:

I really liked your first person narration, but by the end it was a bit...overwhelming? If that makes since. I just wanted a few more concrete details rather then all judgments just so I can make a few judgments of my own and really trust the narrator to tell the whole story.  No one wants to be that far in someone else's head. And some of the judgments, we simply don't need. Like if your going to say in the dialog that Jared thinks they are going party crashing, we don't need it in the narration before hand. And please try to avoid directly addressing the reader, especially twice in a row with the same phrase ("don't ask"... Of course I won't ask. He really isn't there to ask!). So I would tone that down a bit.

I understand that Jared is young, but how old is Trohs?  All that 'pleasant' dialog before he decides to kill him (Jared obviously isn't so imitated by him that he can't have an Q&A session with him), and then his tantrum at the end...He just seemed a bit too immature to be the real threat. Maybe a flunky that loves to play the bully. But if that is what your looking for, good.

In the same token, I'm a sucker for good dialog and yours was good (just watch the slang like someone else already said).

Another thing that confused me a bit: It seemed like there was a clear transition between his new hearing and his new smell, when I think they would all be coming at once. I mean, it may be a bit harder to write about that way, but you can't exactly say, 'hey nose, turn off a sec while I play with my new ears...okay got that. New nose, go!' This was especially hard because it seemed like not only did my narrator do it, but so did his brother in his explanations, like he already knew the hearing would be the first thing to be explored...weird.

So that's it from me. I liked it. I want more and a little annoyed that I had to start in the middle...grr...

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Reading Excuses / Re: Crystalheart, Chapter 2
« on: December 17, 2008, 09:48:21 PM »
I wasn't here for the first round, so this may not be the best critique, but I will do my best!

First off, I liked it. If this is a sample of what's to come, it may be a bit too bloody for my personal taste, but I found a lot of other good things to latch on to.

The magic system was intriguing, but beware of the dreaded info dump. If this is your first draft it is perfectly acceptable to lay that stuff all out so you know, but you need to space it out for your reader and find ways to show (rather then just tell) the essentials. Like when you have the prisoner bonded with the stone and killed. We don't necessarily need to know how the crystalhearts are usually made, just discribe what your evil dude is doing now so we know that it is, well... evil. Your MC, Aermyst, seems very well informed... it could work, depending on where you plan on going with all this, but usually it is helpful if there is at least someone on the team that is completely clueless, like the audience, so we can learn with him. Especially this early in the game.

Some technical advice... there is a lot of action in this chapter. Try to make your sentences concise and maybe even a little choppy to convey that. Like this one: "His oncoming blow swept up in a curving arc that would have taken off Aermyst's leg at the knee, if he had not frantically turned the blade to parry from a direction he never expected to be attacked from: directly below. " could easily be made shorter or into a couple sentences if you just stayed with Aermyst rather then making judgments about his attacker's state of mind (he never would have expected...).

Oh, and another personal preference thing... I find that chapters that start out with quotes from an old text are well...annoying and boring and I don't always read them. You wouldn't be the first author to do it, but I wish you wouldn't. I really don't care to read a text book from their past, especially at the beginning before I'm throughly invested in the world (I have enough trouble reading my own text books :) ). Flashback/vision mode is a bit better, but mostly I want to know what is happening now.

Characters were good. I liked them both. Too bad they're dead... but I guess that's one way to end a book.
(j/k I'll be looking for more. :) )

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Reading Excuses / Re: Just a thought
« on: December 17, 2008, 05:19:33 PM »
Yeah, it would have been helpful for those of us that missed the first round...and I don't think it would be that hard to do, based on my own chapters. I'm all for it. :)

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Reading Excuses / Re: Dec 15 - Raethe - Passage to Zero
« on: December 16, 2008, 10:14:12 PM »
Your writing style seems to be very poetic. I got a little confused by the breaks and point of view shifts (you are a pretty judgmental writer-if you know what I mean-so I need to know right away who’s judgments they are; yours as an author, or a character that you are tagging along with). I couldn’t picture the setting or characters very well, or even what they were trying to accomplish other then that they are soldiers (not even sure who the MC was, I thought it was Darin, but then he died…I think) but it certainly triggers your emotions; which is good.
But it just seemed like you were trying to wow your audience so much with your writing (which is good) that you forgot to tell the simple story for those of us still on a grade school reading level (aka a certain annoying frog in the audience).  My advice would be to give us a firm character and a firm scene we can picture every time have a new section, then go ahead and go nuts.
I hope that made since and was helpful. Good Luck.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Granite Sunrise
« on: December 16, 2008, 05:42:02 PM »
Hmm….well it was interesting, and you have a good writing style (really liked the banter at the beginning), but to be honest this would not hook me at all. I mean, Daheal is obviously an assassin, (a pretty low point to start out from in my opinion) and I haven’t seen any qualities that redeem him, so I’m not too interested in what happens to him next (besides maybe some just desserts). You said that this is not your MC, and if this was a book, I probably would keep reading at this point just to see where you take it from here, but the next section would have to be good to keep me going after that. But that could just be me. I know some darker fantasy readers that would probably tell you otherwise.
Oh and one nitpicky thing I just noticed; “He went back upstairs to then returned a minute later carrying some papers,” needs some revision. Good luck  :)

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Reading Excuses / Re: Dec 15 - Queen'sOpal - Part 1
« on: December 16, 2008, 08:40:23 AM »
Yeah...looking at it now, I'm seriously considering cutting the first two paragraphs and see if getting through the tourney faster helps matters.

Wilson- Wow, I can't pull anything past you... I'm impressed :)
Yes, I cut down elf numbers quite a bit now that it needed actual characters and things rather than having it strictly flashback mode like it was before.
As for dragnet vs dragonet; the reason for the change was that I found out that Dragnet is some kind of cop/gov organization w/ its own show and everything. I am still kinda partial to the word, but I looked online and found that stories w/ somewhat similar creatures (outside appearance if not the powers) were called dragonets, so I thought it would give my audience a clearer picture of what Vernack was right off the back and eliminate some of the confusion of using him as the narrator.
Yeah, liked that little detail about Andver too, so I had to get it in somewhere :)
And that one part is basically the same (for now.... Mu ha ha ha!)

Necro- Garrad is a human wizard. I might never had said that outright and if it was confusing I will most certainly fix it (it wasn't meant to be). And, yes, I am a nerd that played D&D as a child... and as an adult (shh...don't tell anyone).

M-Thank you! I will look at those sentences again. Yes, you aren't supposed to like the father (evil may be over the top, but for now it will do) and the girls are all the annoying high school/fan girls of my past that I love to tease so much. So yea! :). And I liked your story a lot, so I'm glad it was helpful :).

A lot of my stuff may seem 'cliche' (I'll go ahead and admit it since I plan for you to find out anyway) but I kinda see them as staples in fantasy, that I (for one) don't get too tired of as long as you make it your own some how (kinda like romance readers/writers never seem to get tired of the old 'guy finds girl, loses girl, gets girl' and 'love triangle' motif).  You are all free to give me your own opinions on the matter and cyberly throw rotten veggies if you see it as a major hang up.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Spejoku's Nightlife
« on: December 16, 2008, 04:30:10 AM »
Me neither...:(

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Reading Excuses / Re: Dec 15 - Queen'sOpal - Part 1
« on: December 16, 2008, 04:27:58 AM »
Oh wow, thank you! Lots of good stuff to think about…
First off, like I said before, the prologue is a lot a more solid then chp 1. I’m just not sure how to fix it. I mean, the events in the prologue happen a long time before my story takes place and since then the races, especially the elves, have isolated themselves to the point where any conflict they have is rather juvenile until I have them leave the forest. I’m trying to streamline it and kick them out as soon as possible, (believe me this is much shorter than the version I made poor Wilson read) but other than that, I don’t know how to make it more exciting other then to introduce everyone as quickly as I can and try to make it a little humorous. So I kind of have the prologue there to give you a hint to where I am going for the ultimate climax where all these issues are explained  and reach the surface again, (especially the drow) hoping that you will bear with me for awhile, but if you have any other suggestions on how to make that process easier on the reader, I’m all ears (or eyes as the case may be).
I’m sorry if the elves fell flat to you. They are quite different then Tolkienesque elves (at least in my opinion), but I had a hard time showing that at first without the dreaded ‘info dump.’ I hope you will get more of these differences by 2nd chapter (where I explain the Opal a bit more too right off the back), but some of it I kinda have you learn as you go. You already noticed (which I am happy to see) the most important difference: they are on equal footing when it comes to humans/wizards (maybe even at a bit of a disadvantage).
Yea! I love Vernack and the other dragonets too (as they are probably my most unique creation)… unfortunately, he doesn’t come back for awhile (he’s still in the human kingdom, so they kinda have to find him again). But this is a multi character/line story, so it has been my experience that people who read it (yes, mostly friends and family so far) pick their favorites that get them through it and it is not always Drynn, even if he is technically the MC. That is fine with me, and I still am holding out hope that you’ll find someone else to love, but I’ll keep searching for other methods to help Drynn come more alive too.
Totally agree with you about the ‘said’ problem… I heard it once before, and tried to fix it, but obviously missed a few spots…
So thanks again for getting through it all and I hope you will stick with me for the next chuck. :)

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Reading Excuses / Re: Your Background
« on: December 16, 2008, 01:23:58 AM »
Thanks everyone! (except for you Monsta. You're still a punk.  ;) )

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Reading Excuses / Re: Dec 15, 08 - Birthright - Chapter 1
« on: December 15, 2008, 02:24:37 PM »
Oh, cliff hanger. Very good. Now I wish I was here to read the prologue...:)
First thing I noticed was that you tend to use passive voice. It would clean up/tighten your writing a lot if you could make the switch.  It's an bit ironic for me to say it, as this is something I have been working on in my own writing but I guess it is easier to see when your critiquing someone else.... Anyway, start by looking for places where you use 'was' as the verb or have the suffix -ing and try to use action verbs in the past tense.
Ex.  Instead of "As he rounded a bend, the Swiftmead Tavern became visible through the trees." try something like "As he rounded the bend, Swiftmead Tavern appeared among the trees."
Lots of new names. If you're expecting me to keep them all straight at this point...well, you would be very disappointed with me to say the least. :)
I like the color added by the songs and the dialog...and I am still trying to decide what to make of this Boone character...
And what is with the tapping? Ag! Evil authors and their sneaky subtle ways!

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Reading Excuses / Re: 12-15-08: Ace Tomato Company
« on: December 15, 2008, 01:23:06 PM »
Okay, first off I liked it. It got my attention and I would definitely keep reading so good job. Here are a few things to think about though...
I know the first few paragraphs are supposed to be your attention getter, but to be honest all it did was confuse me until I reached the end and read them again. I might suggest starting right off with the scene instead of putting us in flashback mode (with The final... or even with the dialog and work everything else in as you go) .
A few of the individual sentences could use some tightening up. Like this one: "His experience so far at Y.I.K had been surreal yet up until this moment none of it had been authentic."  If its surreal, then it is implied that its not authentic. Good words, but don't use both.
I know this is the second round for some of you so humor me...are we supposed to know what the Y.I.K. is and what they do at this point? If not, I wouldn't hide at least some of the details for much longer. I think it would just get annoying rather than suspenseful if you do.
Great ending line. Don't touch it. :)
That's it from me. Good Luck.

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Reading Excuses / Re: 15-12-08 - Cold Feet
« on: December 15, 2008, 12:37:04 PM »
Now I'm depressed...
Some good stuff going on. It seemed a bit too wordy over all (by the end I was kind of feeling 'she is sad and alone...I get it already! Stop beating me with it!'), but it certainly makes its point. Might want to tighten a few sentences (or delete a few) than move on to some more action or dialog to really draw people in (maybe even put that first and give us the introspection after where already engaged). Good image with the  cigarette.
Anyway, I hope that was helpful and good luck :)

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Reading Excuses / Dec 15 - Queen'sOpal - Part 1
« on: December 15, 2008, 12:24:39 PM »
Okay here we go. Like I said in the email, my submission ran a bit long, but I really wanted to get to the first chapter because I think it probably needs more work than the prologue, so feel free to only critique that part of it. And if you have time to read them both, then I'll love you even move. Thank you!

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