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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Patriotic Kaz on March 28, 2009, 09:33:02 PM
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Who would win in a fight the thug or the warder?
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Well, that depends on the conditions of the fight. I'm assuming that Lan gets his sword, which means it's only fair if Ham gets his weapon of choice too. If Ham gets a staff, then Ham wins. I think that Ham, having been a Thug for a number of years, would at least equal Mat's skill with a staff. Not only that, but Ham gets all of the advantages of a skilled Pewterarm. Mat managed to take on Gawyn and Galad simultaneously. Galad would later become a blademaster, and Gawyn isn't far behind. Lan is very good; I will say that he is probably better than either Galad or Gawyn. I don't think that he is better than both of them put together, though. And even if he were, he would have to be quite a bit better to counter the advantages Ham has over Mat.
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If Ham is allowed to burn Pewter then Lan should get the Fancloth cape.
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I don't think having the cloak is going to do anything in the fight. I think that Lan could beat Ham if they both had swords, but if Ham had a staff he would win.
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Not much of a contest if you ask me. Strength and speed aren't everything. I'm not saying Ham is untrained or anything like that, he is very proficient in combat. I just don't think they are in the same league. Lan has carried a sword from the cradle. He was trained by the very best. Now he is the very best Warder in the White Tower.
Thats not why I think Lan will win, though. Its his spirit, his will to fight and die to accomplish his objective. He is truly willing to die. He will just put more into the fight than Ham will.
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Any conditions set forth - Lan Wins!!!
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Depends–does Ham have enough pewter to last the whole fight (perhaps flaring)? If yes, then he would win. No contest. He could just slam blow after blow into Lan, possibly even breaking his sword. Lan wouldn't even have a chance to fight back.
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These types of discussions are always funny because of the rationalizations that people allow their minds to run with, like the old Batman vs. any other super hero that has super powers. I am about to share an actual conversation I witnessed between a Robert Jordan fan and a Mistborn fan regarding Lan vs. the most powerfull Mistborn ever.
MBF: "By the time you even think to reach for your sword, I'll have iron-pushed on it and sliced you in half."
RJF: "Too bad I didn't even bring my sword to the fight 'cause I knew I would not even need it."
MBF: "Ok, I'll just shoot this coin through your skull and then sip some lemonade."
RJF: "Gotta find me first. I have my fancloth cape on and am completely invisible."
MBF: "As the most powerfull Mistborn ever, I can see the trace metals in your body; I know exactly where you are."
RJF: "Unfortunately I had a mouth full of metal powder and spit it into the air, forming a big cloud, effectively blinding you so I could sneak in close enough to slice your head off."
MBF: "You didn't bring your sword, remember and Pewter allows me to withstand anything else you can deal out."
RJF: "In the confusion I had quickly fashioned a rudimentary sword out of a stick and some obsidian, held together with straps of fancloth from my cape."
MBF: "Why didn't you just use some leather rather then....wait, I don't care, it's your cape. Besides, it doesn't matter; I am burning Atium so I saw your attack coming anyway."
RJF: "AHA! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Cairhien, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a warder when he is only the distraction. Get him Rand! Pew Pew! Buzzzzzzz!"
MBF: "You're an idiot."
RJF: "I spit upon the ground where you no longer ever existed."
Now obviously, one of these fans has allowed his bias to cloud any rational thought. First off, it's steel-push, not iron. Second, we don't even know if Luthadel had any lemons. I would also like to clarify my opening statements: witnessed is probably too strong of a word, perhaps imagined more closely represents my involvement.
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I would also like to clarify my opening statements: witnessed is probably too strong of a word, perhaps imagined more closely represents my involvement.
Haha....Nonetheless, I loved it. It was awesome. Especially The Princess Bride part at the end. Classic, to say the least.
On-topic. I'm not sure. It's been a while since I read WoT, and even then, I only got about half-way. Lan was...really good. Ham's really good too. And everyone here has made some very good points. I think I'm going with Ham...Although he definitely would come out pretty scraped up himself...
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I think it would be a draw. They would both die. I have yet to see Lan fight (except what I've heard from others), but I just know that Ham would probably fight (if it was life or death) until he just flat couldn't anymore. Then he would flare his pewter up so that he didn't feel anything and keep fighting. Once he won the fight he would be too beat up to do anything because he would be too badly injured.
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VegasDev's post is win. that's how it always goes down
RJF: "I spit upon the ground where you no longer ever existed."
hahahhahahaha that's AWESOME
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I don't think pewter burning would make you a good warrior. I would think it would be just opposite. You would rely more on brute strength then true skill. When someone does that they would end up loosing to a truly skilled person who knows how to turn that strength against you. Granted this is most likely not the case with Ham so I am going to say it will be a draw so that I make both sides of the fight mad at me. :D
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I'm not saying he would use it to make him a better warrior, he would do it so that he could continue fighting, even after he should be long dead.
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Lan. Because Lan is an UNSTOPPABLE JUGGERNAUT!!!1!
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It is a silly argument, really. The way Pewter burning is described, Ham would not only be much stronger, but much faster and more dextrous than a normal person. Lan would have to at least match the speed and dexterity naturally. The Khodi (Oneness) only helps so much. We have also never seen Lan fight someone with a quarterstaff. We have also never seen Lan lose, ever. Even fighting 5 at a time (New Spring). I am leaning towards Lan, but he would need to overcome a lot to win.
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Why is it always the Good Guy Versus another Good Guy? Why don't we have some villains duel or even trade Villains.
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Funny you should mention that. My dad and I got in a discussion last month about this. Some of the possibilities we threw out were The Lord Ruler vs Darth Vader. The Lord Ruler vs Sauron. Sauron vs Vader....And I can't remember who else. I deleted most of those texts...Sad.
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Vader v. TLR would be way intense. I'm not sure who would win that one.
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The Emperor: "Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, master?"
The Emperor: "Rise."
Man that's great! Sorry I just had to include that since Vader was mentioned. :P
As far as those duel's are concerned Sauron probably trumps all...unless of course they receive assistance from pint sized humanoids.
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The Emperor: "Lord Vader."
Darth Vader: "Yes, master?"
The Emperor: "Rise."
Man that's great! Sorry I just had to include that since Vader was mentioned. :P
As far as those duel's are concerned Sauron probably trumps all...unless of course they receive assistance from pint sized humanoids.
yeah, omni-powerful demi-gods affecting things from beyond the material plane are a little tough to deal with at times, no matter how many dark jedi or mistborn you throw at 'em!
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if Ham flared his pewter he would most likely win and yes lan could take on gawyn and galad at once more like 5 of them at once he is the best swordsman alive...
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I think the most epic of swordfights ever would be Rand vs. Lan. Which is easier to breakdown because the both exist in the same world and thus play by the same rules. I've mentioned this before but people have disregarded it because either A.) Lan's awesomeness created a bias in their minds or B.) Rand lost a swordfight to Toram Riatin. Well Lan is awesome so I can't fault anyone there but Toram is a blademaster and Rand only lost because he 1.) was still recovering from his wounds 2.) he was wearing gloves to hide the dragons and 3.) he was distracted by a "disturbance" in the pattern at the same instant Toram delivered the "killing" blow.
So, Rand vs. Lan, is there any other two guys more willing to give absolutely everything?
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Is Sauron the guy from TLoTR?
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Is Sauron the guy from TLoTR?
Yup.
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RJF: "AHA! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Cairhien, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a warder when he is only the distraction. Get him Rand! Pew Pew! Buzzzzzzz!"
EPIC. Going in my sig, now.
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Where'd you find that??
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Where'd you find that??
Direct your gaze, my good Shaggy, to the middle of the previous page of this thread.
Or click on the quote link in my post. Its the bolded part that goes "Quote from: VegasDev, blah blah blah."
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Oh…I don't know how I missed that!!! >:( ??? >:(
Hahaha that is gooddd!!!
Ham would definitely win. No doubt about it.
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I think the most epic of swordfights ever would be Rand vs. Lan. Which is easier to breakdown because the both exist in the same world and thus play by the same rules. I've mentioned this before but people have disregarded it because either A.) Lan's awesomeness created a bias in their minds or B.) Rand lost a swordfight to Toram Riatin. Well Lan is awesome so I can't fault anyone there but Toram is a blademaster and Rand only lost because he 1.) was still recovering from his wounds 2.) he was wearing gloves to hide the dragons and 3.) he was distracted by a "disturbance" in the pattern at the same instant Toram delivered the "killing" blow.
So, Rand vs. Lan, is there any other two guys more willing to give absolutely everything?
I won't comment on Ham vs Lan because anything I could possibly want to say has already been said (although personally, I think if they were going to spar, Ham would be honorable and not use Pewter to fight, and Lan would probably win. If Pewter were involved, than Lan would have a mess on his hands).
Rand vs Lan, however, I still think Lan would win. Lan taught Rand how to fight. Lan knows his weaknesses and his fighting patterns. Lan also has several decades on Rand when it comes to experience. Of course, this is only if Rand isn't using the One Power.
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Here is a new fight who wins Lan vs. Rhuarc...awesome....(i think the begining of Shadow Rising mentions how both are similar to wolves and death is heald by them by a thread or something
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Spoiler:
You forget that Rand only has one hand now and has not relearned how to fight with his left hand.
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I purposefully left that part out because we all know that without both his hands it's not even close.
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Rand is so mangled--it's ridiculous. He's one of my least favorite characters, though, so I don't mind.
Ham would win all the way! I think Ham would use pewter to protect someone or something important even if it is "dishonorable" -- so I guess it depends on WHY they are fighting.
Ham's wife insulted Nynaeve's hair or something?
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Who needs hands when you have death gates and a sword formed from weaves.
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Not to mention balefire...
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Spoiler:
You forget that Rand only has one hand now and has not relearned how to fight with his left hand.
To be nitpicky, I believe Rand was always left-handed, and unfortunately it was his left hand that he lost. Don't have the book to look it up since I'm at work!
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It doesn't matter which hand it is. The forms he were using before were two-handed, so now he needs to relearn the sword with only one hand.
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He needs more than that his eyes are shot too...I wonder why he doesn't go back to TAR in the flesh and regenerate.
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It doesn't matter which hand it is. The forms he were using before were two-handed, so now he needs to relearn the sword with only one hand.
Of course, but I was only correcting the hand thing ;) Although I don't see how he'll have time with what he all needs to wrap up before Tarmon Gaidon.
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His eyes aren't useless; if I remember correctly, he just sees as if there is a gray haze over his eyes.
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His eyes are shot doesn't mean he is blind... he is just i dire need of high powered contact lenzes
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Oh, OK…my bad.
*cough* lenses *cough*
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Crap darn you Shaggy catching my stupidity... Why the hell did i use a z?
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Well, that's my job.
You could modify it, you know.…
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Why is it, when I see this thread title, I always think of Han Solo vs. Lando Calrissian?
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It's another 'H. vs. L.'
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Was that a comment on Harrison Ford's acting?
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No. It was a comment that in both the scenarios, the characters' names started with either 'H' or 'L' (and in that order).
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Well the only thing that is inarguable is that Ham is a better father than Lan will ever make (and yes i believe he will remember the rings to become accepted) even if he has to stay away to keep them safe Lan is just too cold.
yes this is a tangent...fun isn't it
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Well 'Showdown' doesn't necessarily mean fighting…it could be, like, a father-off. Or something. I don't know. :-[
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My dad will whip your dad! :P
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Spoiler:
You forget that Rand only has one hand now and has not relearned how to fight with his left hand.
someone should have balefired that ¤%¤# so that Rand could get his hand back...
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She is far too valuable alive, in my opinion, especially since she may know how to regenerate limbs. She is the greatest healer in two ages. Even Nynaeve's "new" healing leaves scars. Semi can even heal old scars. Granted, she may have been 1-upped by the heal severing thing, but she is still better overall.
Anyway, how can you be so sure Lan would not be a good father? He is much "warmer" around Nynaeve when they are alone. You don't think it's possible that he would be changed even more by children?
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Damn you darxbane...you may be right...
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I agree with darxy. ;D
Quote from: Rrikor on March 31, 2009, 11:24:38 AM
Spoiler:
You forget that Rand only has one hand now and has not relearned how to fight with his left hand.
someone should have balefired that ¤%¤# so that Rand could get his hand back...
She is far too valuable alive, in my opinion, especially since she may know how to regenerate limbs.
Why don't they just make her 'regenerate' Rand's hand then??? ???
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Because he's rapidly being turned into a throwaway character?
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I agree with darxy. ;D
Quote from: Rrikor on March 31, 2009, 11:24:38 AM
Spoiler:
You forget that Rand only has one hand now and has not relearned how to fight with his left hand.
someone should have balefired that ¤%¤# so that Rand could get his hand back...
She is far too valuable alive, in my opinion, especially since she may know how to regenerate limbs.
Why don't they just make her 'regenerate' Rand's hand then??? ???
just put an A´dame neckthingy (or what they are called) on her and force her to heal him :)
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But the sil'dam or whatever it's called (lady controlling the a'dam) can only use the linked-one's power through weaves she knows.
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But the sil'dam or whatever it's called (lady controlling the a'dam) can only use the linked-one's power through weaves she knows.
you sure? how can anyone become a sul´dam in the first palce if that is true? and how can a woman use that black necky on a man?
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Because he's rapidly being turned into a throwaway character?
Alright, Renoard, it's going to become a Madness vs. Reonard thread if you KEEP bashing Rand! JK ;D
But seriously, put yourself in his shoes. You know the whole your entire existence is going to be filled with strife, struggle, and boatloads of pain until you eventually die fighting the ultimate evil. Then tell me if your personality doesn't suffer a little.
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I think the bigger problem would be that the controller of the A'dam would have to give some freedom to Semi because she doesn't know the weaves. They are so complex that it would be difficult for someone to notice if she was secretly damaging him elsewhere while healing the hand. Semi would surely try, even if it meant her death. She is one super-sadistic nutjob. They may still get something out of her, though. After all, she may despise being hurt as much as she loves hurting others. If anyone can crack her, it's Cadsuane.
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Because he's rapidly being turned into a throwaway character?
Alright, Renoard, it's going to become a Madness vs. Reonard thread if you KEEP bashing Rand! JK ;D
I'll put $5 on the crazy one!
(and I'll sit back and let you fight out which one of you two that is... XD)
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snicker
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Ogge I think you're right actually…me bad.
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In the words of the Heavy Heavy Monster sound:
Madness, Madness! I call it gladness. :D
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You insane.
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Lan takes this alone.
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The two guys with the shortest names. :D
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Because he's rapidly being turned into a throwaway character?
But seriously, put yourself in his shoes. You know the whole your entire existence is going to be filled with strife, struggle, and boatloads of pain until you eventually die fighting the ultimate evil. Then tell me if your personality doesn't suffer a little.
lolol. true point
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I can finnally correct Shaggy YEAH!!!!!!! Its a'dam & suldam as others have stated... :o :P ;D
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Lol yeahhh…in a made-up language. Sorry to burst your bubble, Kazy. But…no. :P