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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Fellfrosch on January 28, 2005, 03:17:40 PM
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The title crawl: http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/f20050126/indexp2.html
Interesting stuff, but nothing spoilerific. Well, maybe, I guess. Let's put it this way--anything it gives away now, it will give away before you see the movie anyway, technically speaking, so it doesn't really matter.
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"kidnapped Chancellor Palpatine." right. I didn't realize Sith swung that way.
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Dude, I can't wait!!!!!
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I am excited to see this movie.
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I like the new avatar Nicadymus.
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As a person who has become more an more disenchanted with the series I can honestly say Im in no hurry to watch it. Maybe when its on video, or HBO. Thats how I finally caught Episode II, and I was glad I didnt spend 20 bucks on 2 tickets.
The trailor played during the opening of million dollar baby and my first thought was "bah, it even looks like it sucks"
Yeah, Lucas may surprise me, but like I said Im not in any hurry.
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I, too, have grown severely disenfranchised with the series, but I have to admit that the trailer for this one looks pertty cool. Christensen does insane and evil much better than he does petulant and heroic.
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Christensen does insane and evil much better than he does petulant and heroic.
*obligatory, "It wouldn't take much to be better" statement
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Christensen does insane and evil much better than he does petulant and heroic
I thought he just look constipated.
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I definately can't wait to see the dark side kick some light side butt!
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when this movie comes out I'm going to have to create two threads for it. One for general commentary,a nd one for "no negative comments allowed" I think.
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Nicadymus, Moredew, and the wily Rican, are we still one for our little practical joke for the opening? What could be more nerdier, but I think it will be great fun!
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Ok, knowing you 4 I have a feeling that somehow the police will be involved.
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No police will be involed by the joke unless the Star Wars Geeks get rowdy! (Not to say we aren't, but that's besides the point)
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yeah, you can still count me in. This will be great!
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Oh you must tell! I'd love to do something crazy for such an opening here at home with my friends!
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<Captain looks back and forth and makes sure no one else over hears his very nerdy, yet great plan>
On opening night, when all the SW Geeks get dressed up as Darth Vader and Maul, and the plethora of jedi's, storm troopers and rebels. We will enter dressed as ... wait for it.... Starfleet Officers! (It's sweet) Then while we are waiting in line, our conversation will go something like: "This new Star Trek Movie is gonna Rock!, I hear that this one has some cool badguys call the sith. Who the hell are they? Dunno but they look sweet. Although I don't care for what they did to the Enterprise, but I can't wait"
<Mr. Burn's voice with twidling fingers> "Excellent"
We'll do the opposite for the next Star Trek Movie, and dress up as Jedi or something. Nerds without a clue. I love this stuff!!!!
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heh, cool.
Conan did something like that with the Dog. He interviewed the EpII nerds waiting in line. He had a guy dressed as Spock walk by giving them the finger. "May the Force be with you. For me to poop on."
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That is exactly where I got the idea! (So now you know how unorginal I am, I was even thinking of using the finger bit, but decided to play as a dumb Star Trek nerd waiting in line for the wrong movie. That at least was orginal.
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yeah, I think the clueless nerd thing adds the bit of originality and (dare I say it) class that you needed for this stunt. Kudos.
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I need pictures of Scotty, stat!
And where can one get such an outift?
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That depends on the era you are looking for. I got the dress uniform from the last too Star Trek movies (The one Picard wore during Riker/Troi's wedding) in Las Vegas at the Star Trek Experiance. They sell all sorts of stuff online including uniforms. They are quite expensive (but very high quality- they are made to the exact specs of the movies costumes if I rembmer right)
http://www.startrekexp.com/store/cart.php
This is the same store in vegas that I got my uniform, just online. Plus I got Moredew the uniform coat (for his birthday/Christmas present) for the lsat three movies. The grey and black uniform that is.
This one has a great selection, but it is hit or miss on the items in stock
http://startrek.fanhq.com
There are less expensive versions out there (also of lesser quality, more of the halloween type line) but good enough for something like this little joke of ours. Just do a web search. for Star Trek Uniforms. I do think that both the Vegas site and the ST HQ site has less expensive versions available, but I wanted something as authentic as possible due to being such a freak about ST. If you need more sites, I think I have them saved somewhere.
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yeah, I think the clueless nerd thing adds the bit of originality and (dare I say it) class that you needed for this stunt. Kudos.
Thanks man. But I wouldn't have the cajones to go through with it if it weren't for my three other partners in crime who thought it sounded like terrible fun.
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Well... nevermind. A bit out of the way on prices for me. (Plus a lot of the stuff is sold out. =P)
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Three words for you:
Plastic Lightsaber Beatdown
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One of the best laughs I had at the SF&F symposium was when I persistently called "wookies" "winkies" I was in charge so it took a couple of times for someone to correct me. My response was "Wookies, Winkies, what's the difference? Big deal."
I was rewarded with shocked gasps, horrified looks and a few moments of sheer hatred before I lost it and started laughing.
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http://startrek.fanhq.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?itemID=6364&CategoryID=none&keyword=Our%20Recommendations
That may be the first time that I have seen a Bust include a Bust
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well, y'know, that's how fans identify the character.
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I definately can't wait for this stunt. I will definately make sure that my communicator is nice and shiny.
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That may be the first time that I have seen a Bust include a Bust
rotflmao! I missed that one when I was surfing the site.
I will definately make sure that my communicator is nice and shiny.
I too will also make my communicator nice and shiny! This is gonna kick so much arse!
Well... nevermind. A bit out of the way on prices for me. (Plus a lot of the stuff is sold out. =P)
Gemm, you shouldn't nevermind it. There are a few costume shops that offer the same items for between 25 to 50 dollars. Instead of being made from expensive fabrics like wool gabradine, they are made of polyester. I have one such uniform made of the polyester, and it was great for someone living on a budget who wanted to be a nerd. Don't give up on hope padawan, there is a site out there to sell you what you need when you need it, you just have to use the force (of google that is) to find it.
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Please tell me you're going to have someone video this so we can all see it :D
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Thanks for the comment on the avatar sprig. I have to admit I think it fits me.
I am hoping to be able to join in this endeavor, but it will depend on if I can get into lincoln on that day. I imagine I should be able to since I will be out of school, but we'll have to see.
If I can I will try and see if I can get my dad's digital camcorder so that we can get video it for everybody.
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Do you think Vader is really going to kill a bunch of jedi like Obi-Wan said he did in episode IV?
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I thinks so. I hopes so. that would rawk.
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Do you think Vader is really going to kill a bunch of jedi like Obi-Wan said he did in episode IV?
You mean stiff like a 60 year old man and with cheap FX?
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You mean stiff like a 60 year old man and with cheap FX?
Dude that is funny! Although I can't tell if you are being serious or not.
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I don't know if Vader will personally, but you can bet your bippy they'll be plenty o Jedi becoming one with the Force.
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Vader has to get some action in. He may not kill any of the real big names, but I can definitely see him taking out some weak padawans.
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I'm sure Vader will kill big names--it's what his whole reputation is based on. In fact, if it weren't for the Darth Sidious lightsaber scene I'd say that Vader kills all the big jedi; as it is he apparently has to share.
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dude, that is the main reason why I want to see this movie: Vader kicking some major jedi butt, and a lot of jedi becoming one with the force.
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Death to all jedi -
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Huge, insane, mondo SPOILERS - as in, basically THE ENTIRE MOVIE with all twists plotted out in pictures, with text beneath.
http://www.tpu.fi/~t4jlaaks/ep3/
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Couldn't get the link to work, said I'm not authorized...story of my life.
There's an amazing fan created trailer (http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/trailers/ep3pixelmagic/index.asp) that's popped up.
Actual trailer will be airing during The O.C. next Thursday (10th), online for Hyperspace and AOL members around 12am EST and with the new release Robots on the 11th.
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That has got to be the best 2 minutes and change of film I've seen.
Lucas is appearing on 60 Minutes this Sunday as well. In an interview excerpt he says he wouldn't take a 6 year old to see this movie. And also stongly suggests it will be PG-13.
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I don't want huge, insane MONDO spoilers...
That new trailer is sooo good. Makes me want to hope the movie is that good. But then...I liked the second movie. And I must be one of the only people out there who didn't hate the first movie. BUT I also am not a HUGE fan of the original trilogy (ep. IV-VI). In my eyes, they've all got some flaws, and they're all fun.
I gotta say though that when I was working on the episode IV-VI cine-mangas the other day, I really enjoyed it. They were better than I remembered the movies being. Maybe that's because I was reading at my own pace instead of having the pace dictated to me by the movie.
[EDIT: changed "first 3 movies" to "original trilogy (ep. IV-VI)"]
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I actually feel the same way, Ookla. I certainly don't think they measure up to the original trilogy, But when I hear people talking about how Lucas spoiled his own dream, I get bored and lose attention, since i think it's too exaggerated a comment for the context and doesn't show a grasp on what's going on.
I like 'em. I buy 'em on DVD the first day they're out. My eagerness in purchasing is more due to the star wars legacy, but i wouldn't buy them at all if I didn't want to own the film.
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Nice of you to imply that people who don't agree with your viewpoint are mentally unsound SE.
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that doesn't imply mental unsoundness at all. It implies that they haven't really thought about what the movies are doing.
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Oh, so someone disagreeing with your interpretation of an artistic endevour means that they are wrong and you are right? Isn't that one of the common complaints against professors in universities, that they only allow students to show beliefs in agreement with their own and thus don't accept the validity of other interpretations?
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why yes, I am right.
are you a little touchy about this one, Entropy?
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SE is ALWAYS right, except for when he's wrong.
He's only wrong when he disagrees with me. Whenever he agrees with me, he's completely right.
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SE, I don't think Entropy is being touchy, I think you are being unreasonable. Entropy has a good point here, and instead of responding to it, you ask him a question for which I can find no basis. In short, you are not debating, you are saying I am right and everyone else who disagrees is wrong. And then you wonder why Ent responds the way he did.
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Guys...this isn't a religious debate or anything...though it's true that Jedi was marked as a religion in the Australian census...
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actually, archon, his question was very passive-aggressive and a very poor way to try and engage me in a debate. Nice to try and paint me as the bad guy.
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Ok, SE. I would continue, but I know that we would never get anywhere, and people would end up getting angry, and I really don't care enough. Entropy can speak for himself.
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Fine I'll take the teim to address his miscontruals.
1) there was nothing in anything that I said to imply anyone had mental instability. That was just blatant misrepresentation and an intentionally demeaning one.
2) his second response was off subject and irrelevant. If I didn't think I was right, I wouldn't believe what i believe. So naturally someone else will be wrong. I'm not grading or evaluating anyones ability to interpret a movie or to say anything about it. However, if I were, I would stand by what i said. complaints that Lucas is ruining his own dream are absolutely stupid (note, before I get any flak about using the word "stupid," Entropy, nor anyone here, has said stuff along this lines in this thread, nor can I point to a specific time when any of you have said it, so I am *not* calling anyone, or their ideas stupid). He's been very clear in recent interviews that he is realizing his own dream. What they MAY mean, if they're doing anything accurate, is saying that he's contradicting the VIEWER'S previous understanding of what was going on. The two ideas are very incongruous, and frankly, every complaint I've heard about the prequels ruining all of Star Wars sound an awful lot like fanboy whining. Thus the arguments i'm against are not well formulated or rational, and were they written in a film criticism paper would deserve a very poor grade on a paper.
So yes, I'm right. I do believe what I said, or I wouldn't have said it. And no, I'm not being unfair in my assessment. I may be wrong, but I have rational and textual reasons for what I'm saying.
Note, that NONE of this says that you're wrong about not liking them. There are plenty of reasons not to like them, but the complaint that they are completely out of synch with the feel and ideals of the original trilogy are bunk. complain about poor scripting, dialog, acting, sure. talk about that. Don't make up some weak fanboy betrayal mechanism into the equation. That's just weak.
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Actually, jedi was marked as a religion elswhere, I believe in the UK. In Australia, people putting down Jedi were fined. I put down "Voodooist" my mother "Druid"
Next time, I'm putting down Jedi, and if they fine me, taking them to court and swearing under oath it is my religion, which it kinda is, since The Force is basically chi and I believe in chi and they have no right to decide what I believe or not. Hopefully I can make it into a big case and media spin will make it look like "They're trying to ban relgions they don't like"and everyone will lose respect for the government and we can vote in someone worthwhile next time.
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*blinks*
I don't give a rats toss about betrayal and all that other stuff this conversation was about. What I don't like is the way you phrased your response to betrayal sentiments. Instead of phrasing it in a, 'I believe this..' way, you felt the need to put it in a, 'This is correct, and to think otherwise shows this deficiency'. I'm kinda tired of people feeling the need to denigrate each other over stuff like that, especially considering all the positive messages that Lucas tries to put into his work.
And just to save us all a paragraphs worth of time - my previous comments may have been 'passive aggressive', whatever you meant by that, but they did not say you were the misbegotten child of a drunk welshman who got overly amorous with a female redcap. Just to be clear, heh.
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Yes, it was here in the UK that Jedi was put down on the census by people. They used the 'other' box, the one designed for all the satanists and cultists and stuff. 115,000 people put Jedi down on the census. To put that in perspective, 300,000 people put Buddhist and 2 million put Islamic. The government refused to accept it as a valid religion though, probably since then it would get a place on various government religous tolerance councils and such.
The papers said it showed the british love of mocking our governmental institutions. I think it was a sign for more british actors as Jedi in episode 3.
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The Australians who did it were fined?
That would never fly in the US. But anyway it's illegal for the US Census to ask about religion.
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Religion is the only optional question.
Name isn't. This is what gets me.
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I don't understand this current trend of "I'm offended that you said things, instead of saying you believe something."
That's total crap. People are smart enough to recognize opinion. The fact that you are challenging it as an opinion shows that you recognize an opinion. I don't have to put <opinion></opinion> around something that is obviously opinion. Getting offended by that is useless and a waste.
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*yawn* Back to something intresting, IMDB has this listed in the EP3 trivia section.
Francis Ford Coppola suggested Christopher Neil to George Lucas to be the dialogue coach. Lucas said that given the emotional intensity of Revenge of the Sith, and the fact that he rarely has time to converse with the actors, it would be ideal for someone else to be there to get the strongest performances possible.
Which will be a nice change since I thought some of the actors were a little flat in the first two, and who's going to argue about a guy not being qualified when he's recomended by Coppola.
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oo! yeah. Line delivery was a problem in the last two. If we have someone teaching the actors how to act, maybe that will improve.
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Ya, that made me happy too, I'm not worried about many of the people, but Portman and Christanson need some help.
Also on the good news side, March 22nd is the release of the Clone Wars cartoon DVD and the new season starts this week.
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Yeah, its almost as much of a waste as getting offended by the abbreviation of 'what the patootie'. </cheapshot>
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no, it would be a much bigger waste than that.
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I just watched the trailer again. Wow. This movie will rock.
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Ahh, right. I'm so glad I have you here to tell me these things Saint.
If you would pay attention...
you felt the need to put it in a, 'This is correct, and to think otherwise shows this deficiency'.
Is not...
I don't understand this current trend of "I'm offended that you said things, instead of saying you believe something."
I did not say your saying 'it was stupid' was wrong, it was you 'and people who think that are stupid'. It's a fairly large difference, one even an english major could pick up I would think. To take the cheap line, an equivalent is to say that people who support G Bush must be gullible sheep. Not a critism of the thing itself, but of its adherents.
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Yes, people are stupid when they say things about a person's thoughts and ideas that are patently untrue and directly contradict things they have heard from that person about how he feels and thinks differently.
I kind of think that's dictionary definition stupid.
Now, what are you pissed about? Did I ever say that fit you? No, I specifically said it was not in response to something you said.
Are you done being pissy now? (oh, and I'll DELETE the post if you change it back. It's the exact same thing)
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Yup, I deleted it. That had nothing to do with the discussion and didn't even make sense.
NOW are you done?
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But when I hear people talking about how Lucas spoiled his own dream, I get bored and lose attention, since i think it's too exaggerated a comment for the context and doesn't show a grasp on what's going on.
Translation: When I hear people who disagree with me I get bored and lose attention because it's obvious they haven't given the topic much thought and don't understand the nuances that I do.
Translation Translation: People who disagree with me are dumb and don't think.
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NOt at all. Sorry, but that's just completely wrong. You must not have read, or else chose to ignore, everything else I've said since.
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I want to make it clear that I am in no way claiming to smell like roses in this department. I am fully aware that I tend to sound belittling and condescending when I argue/discuss things. I don't (often) mean to and I'm working on it.
I posted my translations because that's how they came across to me, and, it sounds like anyway, to Entropy.
I did read and did not ignore what you have written since. It doesn't change how your initial statement came across to me.
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That's why I clarified later. You're saying that a person can't clarify what they mean?
note: I also said that the complaint was dumb. I didn't say any people were dumb.
Yes, there's a distinction.
To be clear, I also very specifically never said that "people who disagree with me (in general) are dumb" I was very specific about one idea.
And if you don't like that I think that idea is stupid, well, I can't change that. Saying different won't change the reality. But I didn't attack anybody, and yet I *was* attacked, and have been accused, several times over, of saying things I didn't.
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That's why I clarified later. You're saying that a person can't clarify what they mean?
Of course you can clarify what you mean. Correcting the impression that was made does not change the impression that was, in fact, made.
note: I also said that the complaint was dumb. I didn't say any people were dumb.
You said that the people who had the complaint were making "too exaggerated a comment" and that they did not have "a grasp on what's going on" You didn't attack the complaint you judged the complainers as people who would make exaggerated comments and who don't have a grasp on the situation.
Yes, there's a distinction.
To be clear, I also very specifically never said that "people who disagree with me (in general) are dumb" I was very specific about one idea.
Doesn't matter if it was in general or not.
And if you don't like that I think that idea is stupid, well, I can't change that. Saying different won't change the reality. But I didn't attack anybody, and yet I *was* attacked, and have been accused, several times over, of saying things I didn't.
I don't care if you think the idea is stupid or not. What's offensive is you saying that the people who hold it are exaggerating without a good grasp of the concepts.
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So the impression was made. After clarifying it, you still hold it against the person? Well, obviously, I won't be able to ever make you happy. You guys can keep harping on it.
If it is NOT the case that clarifying it still leaves you offended by the original, unintended statement, then bringing up that the impression was originally made, esp as an acusation, is wrong-headed and inappropriate.
Saying that somone doesn't understand a situation does NOT say that they are stupid. Nor does exaggerating.
Let me make it clear, and then you can continue to argue it, because obviously you will. I did not say that anyone was stupid. THat was never my intent. I don't know what else I can say. I didn't call anyone stupid, yet you want to continue to say I did. I guess the only thing that will make you happy is blood.
If, however, you don't want to continue beating on me, you can accept that I don't think anyone is stupid, even though I hold that a particular idea is stupid. And you can let it be. Because at this point, I have NO idea what you guys are trying to accomplish.
Did I say anyone was stupid? No. Did I say words that could be interpretted that way? Apparently so. Are you going to judge me based on what you thought I meant and which I have repeatedly dened? Or are you going to accept that I meant something else?
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Yeah, ent, I deleted another. Complain to Fell if you don't like it. What you are doing is bringing up something that you can't validate (i've no doubt you can quote it, but it doesn't do what you say it does) with the intention of insulting. It doesn't have anything at all to do with the discussion. PLUS it contradicts what you were saying earlier about how you don't want people fighting over star wars.
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I claim the first amendment.
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Chortle!
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What I believe Skar to be feeling here is that Entropy is indeed trying to claim right to an amendment from a constitutional document that his country only took part in by proxy. Therefore decreeing all Britian's to the same rights as Americans.
So, chortle away Skar, chortle away.
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Gemm's point is good but I am in fact chortling over the fact that SE has declared himself morally right and perfect by post-deletion fiat.
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No, just misrepresented.
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This is a subject we probably ought to drop. I've spoken to some people in private and they've agreed to be nice from now on, so let's put all of the bad feelings behind us and talk about the evil, murdering Sith again.
Speaking of which, is the new trailer available online? I really need to see it.
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www.starwars.com should have it Fell.
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It's available somewhere, since it was going around the office Friday.
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I will say I do like the slaughtering of the Jedi in the trailor... sorry about Amy Allens death you...fanatics
I think I will see this one in the theater on the strength of the preview.
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That's an amazeing trailer. If you just compair EP I special effects to this is mind blowing almost. The large scale battles are amazeing too, Lucas is lucky to have talented people working for him that can bring all that togethor.
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Does starwars.com have it for non-hyperspace users? I didn't even check.
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I will say I do like the slaughtering of the Jedi in the trailor... sorry about Amy Allens death you...fanatics
I think I will see this one in the theater on the strength of the preview.
Yes, I'm quite upset about Amy Allen ... I mean, Aayla Secura dying. But I guess we knew it had to happen. She's in good company though, with Mace Windu also kicking it.
I'll tell you, Obi-Wan crying out about "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!" really gets me. Good line delivery there. I'm gassed, stoked, and ready to go.
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That trailer is actually really good. I kind of worry that it gave away too much plot, but then I've decided I don't care. It's cool and makes me want to go see the film. That's what a trailer is suppose to be like.
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well, I think most of the plot could be inferred. There were some procedural details I couldn't have just guessed, but I don't feel like anything is spoiled.
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Yeah. What was there for it to give away? Anakin turns into Darth Vader! Anakin is a little prick. Obi Wan is disappointed in Anakin and himself. Many Jedi die.
I'll be seeing it in the theater but I was never expecting to be surprised by anything in this one. We've seen its sequel after all...
I'm hoping to be surprised by the quality of the dialog. That would be nice.
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I'd also like to be surprised by the delivery of the dialogue. That would be even better.
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Wait, Anakin turns into Darth Vader?
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As the eternal Optomist, The name Star Wars alone is enough to get me to the theater on opening night.
$8 is a small price to pay to be there at a cinematic event.
If it sucks, so be it, You were there when the suck hit the fan
If it rocks, you were there to share in film history
Actualy, either way, it's film history, so I will be there.
I was irritated by Jar-Jar in ep1.
And the Fireplace Scene in Ep2 suffered from Really poor delivery (IMAO this was do to poor direction)
Watching that Trailer and rewatching EP1 made something click for me.
Lucas HAD to start Light and Bright in Ep1... Each film gets Darker and Darker, until Empire, Then it lightenes up some for ROTJ
So EP1 is a trivial matter, the mains, dont realise the import of the events to what is going to happen.
Ep2 is more serious but its still focused on maintaining the Status Quo,
Ep3 CRUSHES the Status Quo and the import of it all needs to Slam down like a Blast door on our mains
EP4 is the strugle for survival in this new reality
EP5 is finding a path that might lead out (Luke's Training)
EP6 is the breaking of the darkness set upon the Galaxy in 3
Looking back, it seems to me that, from a story and style prespective, Lucas knew what he was doing.
Starting trivial with foreshaddowing and then lowering the Boom in 3.
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will Jar Jar die in EP 3? Someone, please tell me he will.
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I'd never looked at it quite like that, but yes, I see some very valid analysis there. I'm not sure that Ep4 is darker than 3 appears to be, however. For example, my kids can watch nearly all of Ep4 without freaking. Ep5 less so. The ewoks kind of freak them out, but that certainly doesn't make EP6 darker. Again with Ep1, there are large chunks the kids can watch. Most of what they can't has to do with action rather than darkness (i'm willign to put them through the pod race, though Kirsti isn't). Ep2, we haven't found much of suitable length to show them (perhaps the courting bits on Naboo, but that doesn't interest me. Perhaps it would the girls though). Ep3, well... from what I'm seeing, I have little hope they can show any. So while there is a general trend downward into darkness, I think it's interrupted, rather than continued with Ep4 (the destruction of the Death Star is a mighty blow for the rebellion). They take a step back up, but fall a bit again in 5.
It's well known that Lucas likes the Cambellian interpretation of myth, and tries to use it in his work. What's interesting is that he also uses a Medieval story telling technique. If you read Medieval literature, esp of a mythological nature (ie, Beowulf, Song of Roland, et al), the events are more important than the narrative voice and description. YOu are expected to fll in a lot of your own details. Lucas, intentionally or no, also leaves much of the personality/detail construciton to the viewer. His focus is on showing the events that together form a meaningful sequence of developments. I've found it to be very effective, however, it doesn't make the movies very accessible for casual viewing. The original trilogy managed to fuse both the casual viewing and the myth-cycle/story-telling aspects, which is why they are superior to the prequels thus far -- they're just better examples of filmmaking.
And, as many of you know I've argued before, the prequels are effective at treating a new take on the Faustian figure and the consequences of Faustian pursuits. In the series of well-articulated understandings of the Faust figure, I have to put Goethe first, naturally. Marlowe comes next, and then there are some French guys with some fairly weak ideas of Faust but some effective presentations of those ideas. Lucas is probably on this third level, with much better ideas about Faust but less-well articulated in terms of enjoyability.
There, we've effectively intellectualized your space opera for you. Hate us or love us for it.
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I would almost consider EP4 an epilogue to 3.
This is where these people ended up
This is the state of the galaxy
but
all is not lost
New Skywalker = New hope
Oh and the Casual viewing for the Original Trillogy is supported by a contemporary and indentifiable character that the audiance can relate to better than these mythical figures. Han Solo, just a hustler among Knights, Messias, Fallen Heros and Princess
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well, if you wanna talk about Han Solo...
just kidding. YOu call him a hustler, I think of him as more of a cowboy/wandering hero. While Jedi Luke is obviously a (Jedi) Knight (or at least a squire). What's interesting there is the play with roles. We often think of the cowboy as the (at lest more) modern knight. So there's both the play where the movie says "The cowboy isn't really a knight, see the difference?" as well as the play on "He doesn't look the same, but he's just as heroic, if a bit reluctant.
The reason I don't think of him so much of a hustler is that he really only rips off the corrupt system. He gives in and becomes the good guy when the opportunity comes. He just can't leave people in need (in his backstory it's how he hooked up with Chewbacca, and he comes back for the first Death Star, tries to leave in Ep5, but helps the princess instead. But he's too free to be a knight in the traditional sense. He's a lot like Shane in the movie of the same title -- he'll resort to the dirty bits of the business, but a lot of it is to keep other people away from it.
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All true, but I think Oseleon was pointing out Han's approachability more than his morality. He was an everyman who was easy to identify with, and the prequels have (thus far) not given us anything to fill the niche. I think that we identify more and more with Obi-Wan as time goes on, though, just because we're so familiar with him--and, of course, solid acting in Ep3 could make us identify strongly with any of them.
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I know, I'm just going off on tangents.
Obi-Wan is more approachable than others because he is the obvious one set up for a fall. Amidala has such a one-dimensional character, but with anakin, well, we can all identify with the fantasy of having that power and potential, but we know where he ends up, so we don't WANT to identify with him. THat leaves us with Obi-Wan. He's the only one we can identify with without feeling like we're evil, I think. Plus he really does have a lot of elements of the classical tragic hero. For the power he wields, he's awfully human.
But to be honest, I think R2 is the coolest character of the prequels to date. He's also the most identifiable in many ways.
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Holy crap, I finally saw it. All I can say is...wow. I'm going to go ahead and invest some serious anticipation in this movie, which means that Lucas is either my hero again or on the verge of breaking my heart. It looks awesome, though.
edit: Spoilers: I just went through frame by frame (I know, I'm a geek) and saw a couple of cool things. All those people Anakin hacks up are actually trade federation--he presumably gets some jedi too, but Palpatine might start him on TF guys because he knows Anakin already hates them. Also, when Yoda is dodging falling senator pods that's actually Palpatine throwing them at him, and apparently the senator dome is otherwise empty. Just a couple of things I thought were interesting.
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yeah, if it gets you to admit that and wins Jeffe over, I'm calling it a good job... at least on the trailer.
Jeffe, want to see this together on the 19th? I'm not sure my wife will be up for a first showing. Probably my sisters/brothers-in-law will go too, downtown to a nice screen, and I'll hook up with them.
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cant, fate has played a cruel joke on me and I will be at a buisness conference in Miami.
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cruel cruel fate! Why do you mock me?!
"That's not God, that's a waffle Bart threw up there. See? I'll get it down with this broom."
"I know I should not eat thee lord, but.... mmmmm.... sacrilicious...."
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I just went through frame by frame (I know, I'm a geek)
Watch near the end where that huge lava wave comes up over the walkway. Kinda looks like someone is standing right under it ;D
Do you think Palpatine always looks like Sidious and he is just projecting some kind of Force-illusion so he appears as Palpatine? Just something I was curious about.
Don't remember if I mentioned it in this thread (or even on this forum) but IMO one of the reasons the fan(boy)s hate the prequels is that it's not the same formula. Because of the nature of the story it can't be another hero's journey.
Lucas, intentionally or no, also leaves much of the personality/detail construciton to the viewer.
It's intentional. He's mentioned it before in interviews. He's not as concerned with the performances, just telling his story. The main actors in Star Wars have said many times his direction consisted of "Do it again. Faster and more intense."
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Yes, Carrie Fischer likes to say that about George alot
"You can write this stuff but you cant say it"
"No direction"
etc...
Thats why Lucas went and got a Dialogue coach this time after Coppola "suggested" it.
(By Suggested, I think Coppola put the Coaches contract in front of Lucas and a gun against George's head, Told him that either George's Signiture would be on the contract or his brain)
Seriously, I think that my biggest critique of EP2 was that the lines between Anakin and Padme, especialy at the Lake Retreat, were just so poorly delivered.
I mean if you were to read a transcript of the scene, you can see that it had real potential.
But it was bungled on delivery.
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The problem with that scene was not just line delivery. It was blocking as well. We all know that Padme stood in front of the fire primarily so we could see her figure (and a fine one it is!), but there was no movement. In such an intensely emotional scene, that's not right. Their arms, at least, should have moved, steps toward and away from each other, etc. Dialog coaching will help some, but please, let's direct some movement besides the sword fight.
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why does it have to be bad for someone to feel passionately about the movies? I just ask because in the case of Star Wars fanboy is almost always used as a derogatory term. Why is it wrong for me to dislike adding a Jabba scene in Ep IV, or having Han shoot second? Why is it wrong to hate Annakin being replaced by Hayden Christenson in Jedi... or Gungans... honestly I would be happy if the Empire slaughtered every Gungan ever and then had lucas re-release jedi with a newly cut celebration scene at the end of a massive Gungan graveyard. Star Wars was something special to me in my youth, it was mine, we played star wars in my backyard, we played with the figures, we made up all kinds of stories...
In this case the nostalgia of Star Wars just may be a little better than the reality of star wars.. ;D
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Go ahead and dislike it--I'm with you on a lot of that stuff. I didn't hate the gungans, per se, but my opinions on the CG Jabba have been well-discussed on this forum.
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yeah, there's nothing wrong with disliking it (although I still maintain you'll be wrong *wink*). I'm not sure where that's even been said in this thread.
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wrong like a fox.
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I find it funny that in the Credits of EP 1 Jaba is credited as himself.
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yeah, there's nothing wrong with disliking it (although I still maintain you'll be wrong *wink*). I'm not sure where that's even been said in this thread.
May have been a reference to my metion of fanboys and the derogatoriness thereof.
I think by it's usage it's supposed to be somewhat derogatory. *shrug*
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ok, well, let's clarify
Here's a line from what we normally refer to as a "fanboy" (shamelessly ripped off from Greg Hyland):
"So I thought, nobody gets to know the real Boba Fett. Y'know, what does he do in his spare time? So I thought, I'd write a novel about it. I figure he watches a lot of TV when he's not chasing bounties."
Note the unhealthy fixation with irrelevant trivia and the forcing of such information on those who have no interest in it.
Here's a quote from a healthy, socially competant fan....
er... well,... pretty much this whole thread.
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That's what I'm talkin bout, Willis.
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another difference is this undeniable fact (https://www.zestuff.com/product.php?productid=64)
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I had a thought about Anakin and Luke as young men...
Both whiney, arrogent jerks... basically know it all punks...
the Difference is that Ben and Yoda manged to drum a lot of compassion in him, while they ignored Anakins need for love and compassion. Basically they learned from their mistakes...
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Well...
Luke was eager, and willing to learn, but consider how.. frivilous the whole thing must have seemed - learn to pick up rocks from a little green guy? - while your friends are out fighting and dying. I think his impatience and frustration is justified in that situation.
Anakin is just a self impressed little brat.
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no, no, he's frustrated at how slow it is too. That's what his lines say. To be fair, we can't just assume something because Anakin's got a worse actor (heaven knows Luke wasn't actetd that well either).
This is how Anakin brought balance to the force, imo. He made the JEdi realize that cutting off love and family was not a good thing. That to be whole and balanced, love and family needed to be included.
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Well I suspect that anakin didn't bring balance - Luke did. Luke started the NJO, which was a jedi order but without the emotional cutoff.
Or maybe anakin brought balance by bringing the Sith back into alignment - maybe the force 'needs' there to be powerful sith balancing out the Jedi.
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what was that? I couldn't hear you. You started talking about the EU and I lost all interest.
but it doesn't matter. Anakin killed Palpatine, by committing himself to family, and anakin ended the hold of the order that enforced unrealistic rules on Jedi. I'm a gonna still have to go with Anakin on this one, EU or no EU. He's the one who fits the prophecy in the other ways. Plus Yoda and Obi-Wan never would have seen the error of their approach and trained Luke differently (they still had problems) if it hadn't been for what happened with Anakin.
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Remember Anakin is the one the prophecy is about... thats explicit without Anakin Luke would have been killed and the Sith would have ruled.
But Anakin stirred inside Vaders chest, the Anakin from the first movie, who loves his mother, and was friendly and brave. Its important to realize that everything Vader does after Episode III is out of fear and anger, he is afraid of the Emperor, he is angry at what he's done. Killing Obi-Wan didnt accomplish what he thought it would, he was trying to kill off the light inside him because he didnt feel worthy. Thats what his conversation with Luke on Endor was all about. The hint that Anakin is inside of him is only apparent on rewatching Empire and through the knowlege of the first films. In Empire, Vader asks Luke to join him, and even though we know that the Emperor told him to do it we also know he means it. (At least I do) There is a certain desperation there, and a desire to be loved.
Luke Leia and Anakin all share the same brashness, cockiness and daring that much is evident. (theres just to much of his father in him Owen) But I also think that the turning point for Anakin was knowing that luke was fighting for his family, not a rebellion, not against the emperor, but for his soul, and his sister and their family.
Thats what did it, that and almost seeing luke Turn in front of him and making the choice that he never did.
So yeah, I have a little more respect for the Anakin of the Prequals now.
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That's a great analysis. I would add that Luke's attempted suicide on Cloud City was the turning point for Vader. He had convinced himself that what he was doing was "right," and simply couldn't understand why Luke would rather kill himself than join him. That got him thinking, and it all cascaded down from there. Your idea of family works well with that, because Vader decides after the first time that he won't allow his son to die again (the way he "allowed" his mother to die by failing to be there for her). When Luke makes the same choice again--"I would rather die than join you"--Vader steps in and saves him.
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I just rewatched Attack of the Clones and I must say that the last several posts have been very true and brought into sharp relief what is so good about the story arc as a whole, the movie itself was still atrocious.
Now I'm even more mad that Lucas managed to screw up such a basically good idea. He had great ideas, his delivery just sucked.
Please let the third film be good! Please!
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Plus to respond to Ent, ... just look at Luke in Ep IV,... telling Han how he could pilot the ship, whining to his uncle, whining to Ben. He doesn't even start to grow out of being whiney until Owen and Beru are murdered, but it takes him untill the middle of EP V to finish.
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I just want to say, Jeffe, that your previous post was extremely well articulated and insightful. I agree.
</ me too post>
Ethan, yeah, that's why I don't get upset at people not liking the movies. They've very poorly executed in many ways. However, once you see what's actually thematically operating in the narrative, the idea that he's betraying his own dream seems a bit... childish.
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Childish? Star Wars, Never! Just look at Phantom Menace, I rest my case. . . . . 8)
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so, what, you're TRYING to start a fight?
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no, he's not e. Settle down, man. Not everyone's trying to start a fight. That's just the way Mulch is....
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If "the way Mulch is" translates into acting like a moron, I don't see why it ought to be tolerated.
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again, with the hostility in the forum. Tell me anyone, has there been anyone here who has not acted like a moron sometime in their life? Or do we all need to be perfect like those who portray themselves to be in the TWG?
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The reason why they're upset is someone they don't know and is new to the foum comes into a thread and starts Trolling, if it were someone who had been around for a while no one would care. It's kinda of like if you and your buddies were at your house hanging out and someone who you didn't know burst through the door and started throwing insults around.
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but that's not the case though. Mulch wasn't insulting or "trolling" anybody. Mulch already knows a few of us here and he's fitting in. People are getting way too sensitive around here. Let's all take a deep breath... and start over.
Mulch, were you being insulting or "trolling" around?
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I don't think it matters if his intentions were to Troll, and I don't think they were, it's what the people who were reading them thought. Unfortunatly message bords don't expresses sarcasm or other emotions so even the most innocent comment could be missintrepreted.
I think the best thing to do if for Mulch to introduce himself and try to get to know how things work here by reading the FAQ.
http://www.timewastersguide.com/boards/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news
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yeah, his intent is irrelevant. THe post showed either that he hadn't read the thread he was posting on, in which case, why did he do it? or else he showed a distinct lack of class. I'm not demanding an apology, and I didn't smack him down, I just pointed out that it wasn't an appropriate comment. I don't think I'm the one who needs to calm down. I'll reserve that for the defensive one.
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Ok. I would like to jump in here real quick and try to help.
First, Mulch, go introduce yourself, state how you found out about the twg, and tell everyone a little about yourself, and make sure that you mention something about how you joke around a lot... that should help some.
Second, Spriggan and e, I can understand your positions as you have been here for a while and don't know Mulch. But let us all remember that it is difficult to communicate emotion through a medium of communication that only allows written content. I understand how you could see his post as a form of trolling, but please try to also see how he could have been sarcastic and just trying to get a laugh.
Third, I am not going to take a side in this, as I can see both points, but everyone please remember that the only way to make this the premier time-wasting site in the universe is for everyone to start wasting their time here. Long time members, let's try to welcome new people through positive reinforcement, and new members, please learn the rules and try get a feel for everyone's point of view so that no one jumps to the wrong conclusion about you.
Fourth, Sprig, is there a way that we can create a sort initial entry area where potential new members are required to read the rules/FAQ and introduce themselves before they can post in any other thread. That way we will know that they have read the rules and will be put on notice and it will give everyone else the chance to introduce themselves to the new member... perhaps have the new member start a thread introducing themselves and have current members respond?
Ok... enough of me up on my soap box. Sorry for the off topic rant.
Can't wait to see the movie!
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oh, i can see the other side, but I still think he needs to be aware of this issue and respond accordingly.
anyway, less than four weeks, buds. Got your ticket yet?
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Still trying to hammer out which day my group of guys are going to and if we can find a common ground. If not, then it is every man for themselves. Hardest thing is that several of us live at least an hour away from the majority, so we are having to find a workable time...
Suffice it to say, I will see it opening weekend one way or another.
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Some coworkers and I got in on an 8am showing on opening day. I'm quite pleased.
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I have the day off, and orders to see it early so I can see it later the same day with my wife and tell her when to hide her eyes.
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OK, OK. . . Apparently I made a mistake, and for that I DO APOLOGIZE to anybody whom I have offended. I in no way mean to come across in that manner.
I am a comeidc personality at heart. A Jim Carrey one would say of themselves. If you want to check my background fine then ask moredew, nicadymus, capatain morgan, rican, and n8. They all know who I am and are friends of mine. Again my intent is not to offend anyone just mearly to bring a smile and laughter to everyone's gutt, deep down inside! Sometimes Yes I can be sarcastic as in this case. I was only JOKING, and for that I AM SORRY!!!
What I was saying was that Phantom Menace was presented more towards the youth of today. That in NO WAY means however that I didn't like the movie. It was still a great flick. I cannot however wiat for the Revenge of the Sith to open. We are all planning to attend to my knowledge and the wait is unbearable. But in the end I know it will definitely be worth it!!!
In the end I ask a questions now of my best friend Moredew.
Moredew would you please define "trolling"? By which definition do you refer to "trolling"?
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Trolling is internet lingo for jumping into a forum/thread and posting a comment with the intention of makeing people angry and starting a fight. Another common phrase, which you'll see if our Admin JP ever locks a Troll thread, is "don't feed the Trolls" sence people that are Trolling enjoy people trying to fight with them.
What I was saying was that Phantom Menace was presented more towards the youth of today. That in NO WAY means however that I didn't like the movie. It was still a great flick. I cannot however wiat for the Revenge of the Sith to open. We are all planning to attend to my knowledge and the wait is unbearable. But in the end I know it will definitely be worth it!!!
That's a perfect comment that shows you are here for discussion of the topic.
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Just got a line on tickets for a show at 12:01 am opening day.... so tempting.... but no one to go with.
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Don't feed the trolls, children!
Furthermore, don't feed the trolls children. It's bad for their digestion.
Finally, don't feed the dingo. It can and will kills you.
Now, to be at least somewhat on topic.
I watched the original trilogy at least 300 times in the year or two after I first saw them, then I kinda got over them. They're cool movies. I tend to think that looking at the story arc like this is overanalysing - I don't think Lucas intended such subtleties to get through across the two sets of films, I think it's either an accident or just trying to make them fit by thinking really hard.
I'll see Revenge eventually, but I don't have high hopes for it.
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I expect Revenge to be very high on graphically cool action. If it isn't, I'll be annoyed.
Eps I & II were über-disappointing. I hated Anakin (both versions), and Jar-Jar was extremely evil, and the dialogue between Anakin and Padme was really poor (in my opinion).
However, they were very nice eye-candy, overall. And I loved the "you don't want to sell me deathsticks" part.
But yeah, I'm looking forward to the next. I have no great hopes for the plot, but I expect to see lots of cool explosions and spaceships and the ilk.
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Ditto.
I just like the pretty-graphics for giving me a more complete view of the world, in order to make the *others* seem even better. If Revenge gives me only that, it'll still be better than nothing. I doubt there can be anything that will reduce my view of the others, hence I'm not fussed.
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Has anyone read the novel yet?
This is, put simply, impossible. It can't be done.
He's going to do it anyway.
Because he is Anakin Skywalker, and he doesn't believe in impossible.
Oh yeah, I got my tickets for the movie already. I was also reading the first page of this thread. Reminds me of HGTTG. Sometimes I don't know if I should chuckle, roll my eyes, or just weap a bit.
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If Revenge gives me only that, it'll still be better than nothing.
You'll be getting it in spades, trust me ;)
Got to see close to 10 minutes of "new" footage last week and was holding my breath almost the whole time.
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I just bought 11 tickets for opening day (no, I'm only using two of them).
Yes, I'm ready for it.
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Kevin Smith called the movie (edited for content) Freaking Awsome.
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New Ep3 trailor up
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/trailer/10.html
its actualy one of those music videos that they do with a section of William's score, it's got a lot of short clips from several different battles and fights.
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Looks pretty good. I myself am waiting to see Anakin slaughtering the Jedi kids like Sandpeople (which is what I hear earns it the PG-13).
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WHOOODINIII!!! FZZZZZZZZZPPP!!! :o :-X
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well, anyone here in the east, I still have a single unclaimed ticket for the midnight showing at the uptown.
That's right, the very first showing available to the general public on the planet. Come with me to hopefully see George Lucas redeem himself.
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2 new TV spots online:
Seduction (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/trailer/seduction.html)
To Protect You (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/trailer/protect.html)
That music video that was posted is part of the bonus DVD that comes with the soundtrack. I'd recommend getting it for the DVD alone. It's a great piece of work showing off the entire saga.
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Haven't heard the buzz on this DVD? So what is the buzz, what's on the DVD?
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RT has EP3 at 91% with 23 reviews.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_3/
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Big Fanboy (http://www.bigfanboy.com/pages/reviews/filmreviews/2005/sw3/ep3.html) posted a review Scott Kurtz called "honest." While I won't necessarily disagree with the adjective, I will say "stilted" applies more. For someone who complains about scenes being removed (may very well be a valid complaint, I'll let you know at about 3AM-ish on May 19th, that'll be 1AM for you Utahns) he certainly seemed to excise some random sentences from his review.
A couple of the complaints sound like fanboy whining forgetting what the series is about. For example, he complains of some limited random goofiness, but I'm not sure what else he thought lines like "I don't care what you smell, get down there" and "Everything's fine here. We're all fine here. How are you?" were. a little bit of goofiness is to be expected and enjoyed with these films. Just not omnipresent.
But then, some of the compliments were also fanboyish, such as R2's parts being "very cool." So perhaps honest was a good adjective for the review. You discount the blatant fanboy speak (it IS "bigfanboy.com" afterall) and you still have a positive review that keeps from gushing and admits to the lacking pieces.
I'm still incredibly psyched. Less than 206 hours...
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Kurtz loses credibility points by then proclaiming that he WANTS to see the Dukes of Hazzard
travesty I mean, movie.
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You can't condemn it until you've seen it, Fuzzy. Nor can we, in my opinion, idealize something that so cheerfully resists respectability.
(Though to be honest, I expect it to be terrible as well. I'm just reserving judgment.)
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I just browsed through the rottentomatoes quotes, and one of the bad reviews condemns it for being an "anti-Bush diatribe." I think it's safe to say that that reviewer probably sees everything as an anti-Bush diatribe of some sort.
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However, just because it's scott Kurtz, and I don't particularly like his personality, I *can* condemn HIM for being more excited about the Dukes of Hazzard than for Revenge of the Sith.
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That goes without saying.
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That's right, the very first showing available to the general public on the planet. Come with me to hopefully see George Lucas redeem himself.
My company rented out the theatre and got permission to have a showing of it Sunday at 10 a.m. But of course, I don't know if you'd call that the general public.
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you realise Stacer you're just makeing SE and JP hate you more. ;D
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There are few times when I've been able to make them insanely jealous of me. I think I'll have to milk a few more of these out before I quit. ;) Actually, I don't think I'll be going to it on Sunday, for a variety of reasons. It's sad that that was the only time Lucas would allow, because they usually get weekdays. Apparently not always the best, though--with one of the LotR movies, they had a 6am showing. But the theatre was packed, they say.
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/me burns Stacer in effigy. unless, y'know, you can hook me up with a job before the weekend.
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While everyone's got their branding irons/torches out: I'm going to the charity screening tomorrow night ;D
"So what is the buzz, what's on the DVD?"
For those that don't know, the Ep3 soundtrack comes with a bonus DVD. It's music videos featuring clips from all 6 movies. Fairly spoiler-free, nothing that will ruin the movie for you and IIRC, only 1 track has Ep3 footage in it and that piece has been all over already (A Hero Falls).
They did a fanatastic job with it, showing off the films as one story. My favorite is the last one, showing Luke burning Vader's body with flashbacks to 9 year old Anakin.
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I just browsed through the rottentomatoes quotes, and one of the bad reviews condemns it for being an "anti-Bush diatribe." I think it's safe to say that that reviewer probably sees everything as an anti-Bush diatribe of some sort.
Actualy it's fairly well known that Lucas hates politicans especialy Ronald Regan, one of the Trade federaion people (Nute Gunray) is based and named after him.
The lines in question from EP3 I won't repeat due to spoilers but some people say they're taken more or less from Bush's speachs about the War on Terror.
Of course Bush also talks like he's in a cheap 30's serial movie so that could be why that conclusion is drawn. Add that to the fact some of the lines, which I have heard Bush say, are also very generic dialouge types and you've got yourself a poorly drawen conclusion I think.
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One of the planets being fought on is called Fellucia.
But I'm sure that's just an odd coincidence...
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Actualy that one is because Lucas also hates Fell.
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And this time he's gone too far!
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What are you going to do for revenge, Fell? See his movie?
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Episode 3.1 Revenge of the Fell
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Speaking of which, I had a dream last night that I was in a Bond movie--I was Pierce Brosnan's comic sidekick, and man was he sick of me mouthing off to the supervillain. Then the supervillain kidnapped my kids, but his wife helped me get them back because I helped her get a skunk out of her house.
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never underestimate the value of doing favors for the bad guy's wife. Which is why I try to help foxybeak out a lot.
speaking of dreams. I saved Stan Lee from being eaten by wolves the other night. He gave me superpowers in return and a job teaching at the school for training new superheroes.
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That's awesome.
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Skar asked me to do a review for you folks. I'm not really the type who gets into character analyzing or plot (unless there's huge honkin holes). And being a fan for the last 28 years, I can't really be objective, but I'm guessing most people don't want that, they want to know what a fan thinks.
So here is a teeny-tiny, spoiler-free capsule of my expierence.
Let me start by saying this flick is PG-13 for a reason. There are some dark, disturbing and gruesome images. If you have a little one, I would really see the film first before taking them, no one knows your kid better than you.
This is the movie most everyone was wanting with Ep1. This is the one that answers all the big questions.
Ian McDiarmid steals the show as only pure evil can. The phrase beautifully wicked comes to mind.
Hayden & Nat are less stiff in their relationship. When they meet for the first time in the film there's actually some emotion there.
Action? Oh yeah, plenty of that. There's at least FIVE lightsaber duels. As could be expected with that many sabers flashing about, the number of body parts removed from people goes up accordingly. (What is Lucas' deal with that, anyway?)
The opening and ending sequences are very intense and action-packed. The stuff that makes fans giddy as school girls.
In the OT, there were about 5 times where I can get swept up in the emotion of the movie and feel a little choked up. That hasn't happened during the prequels, until now. The final 15 or so minutes will have you in goosebumps for some very different reasons.
This is the keystone of the whole saga. You'll probably want to go back and watch all the movies to see how the story as a whole ties together. I was very satisfied leaving the theater. I have to see it a few more times before deciding where it will fall on The List, but I think it will be behind ESB & ANH.
As they have been throwing around everywhere: "The circle is now complete."
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Great!
Do you think you could expand that just a little -- maybe talk about the direction, for example -- and submit it as an article?
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So, if that's a teeny-tiny, will you be sending me a full-blown review?
If you want some guidelines, never having done a movie review before, I'll be happy to send you the ones my regular reviewers work from. From what you wrote on the board it sounds like you have a good grasp of the concept and interesting things to say so it should be no problem.
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The direction and stuff like that is what I have no clue about :) And it's kinda hard to give a review without giving things away.
If you wanna send the guidlines, I can give it an actual shot but you may not have it until Wed or Thur. Ironically, I have more free time to do something like that when I'm at work.
In the meantime, there's a good review on AICN (http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=20201) which I pretty much agree with. And it's in 3 varieties: objectional, non-spoiler and spoiler.
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The French applaude EP3 at Cains and it's "anti-bush" message. These are from a AP article.
"That quote is almost a perfect citation of Bush," said Liam Engle, a 23-year-old French-American aspiring filmmaker. "Plus, you've got a politician trying to increase his power to wage a phony war."
Though the plot was written years ago, "the anti-Bush diatribe is clearly there," Engle said.
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Lucas said he patterned his story after historical transformations from freedom to fascism, never figuring when he started his prequel trilogy in the late 1990s that current events might parallel his space fantasy.
"As you go through history, I didn't think it was going to get quite this close. So it's just one of those recurring things," Lucas said at a Cannes news conference. "I hope this doesn't come true in our country.
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"You sort of see these recurring themes where a democracy turns itself into a dictatorship, and it always seems to happen kind of in the same way, with the same kinds of issues, and threats from the outside, needing more control. A democratic body, a senate, not being able to function properly because everybody's squabbling, there's corruption."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156585,00.html
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I find it endlessly amusing to remember that when "Revenge of the Jedi" came out I saw Lucas on one of the late shows explaining how it was a really meaningful political statement for him because the Ewoks were like the VietCong/NVA while the Empire was like the U.S. in VietNam.
I wonder what he'd say about the idea that he should write a sequel to ROTJ where the Ewoks execute several million of their own people for "political" reasons (ergo from people who fought with the U.S. to school teachers to people who wore glasses) like political and genetic purity.
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Wouldn't that mean that the ewoks would be killing off their entire own race though?
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No, there's more of them than you think. They're born in litters, after all, so the population grows quickly.
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Perhaps I should have used a percentage...
And, of course, to be fair he'd have to include the ewok armies traveling to neighboring planets and helping people on those planets murder millions of their fellows for the same reasons, mirroring the NVA's involvment with Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
But then, if he really thinks that EPIII is a type of what's happening in our world I wonder what he would point to as a parallel of 9/11 or any outside threat for that matter. Or maybe he's honestly comparing the Jedi to Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, and Islamic snuff terrorists?
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I was just observing that all ewoks are probably genetically unfit, so if they were to be remotely honest in their racial clensing, we'd have no ewoks left.
I don't think the JEDI are being compared to those people. I think the political organization is.
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Yes, they are fuzzy little freaks aren't they?
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the ewoks? or the political organization ;)
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I think the Left-Moonbats are so desperate for an argument that they are now inventing them out of irrelevent sources... Since they must have run out of relevent complaints.
Absurd, absolutly absurd.
So, they pretend that there IS no war, that it's a "phoney war" While German Citizens are murdered in honor killings by their radical islamic family.
While Dutch film-makers are murdered in the street because they made a film that was disagreed with (imagine if Scorsezi was murdered over Last Temptation)
While 12 year olds have bombs strapped to them and run into crowds
Sorry, but it's just SOOO trendy in Europe to look at all the horror of the present age and lay all the blame on the US and Isriel
George himself SAID that he wrote the script BEFORE the Bush Presidency
I guess I should start calling Babylon 5 an "Anti-Bush" program, despite the fact it went off the air in 98... After all, People in the entertainment industry are all OBVIOUSLY Clairvoient. JMS Obviously meant for Pr. Clark to = Pr. Bush.
I mean, who could read that article without saying "DUH"
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My reply to this entire silly thing:
What is going on?
Where have all they gone?
How was it done wrong!?
I am no longer,
but life goes
on, still.
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What went wrong is Natalie Portman has shaved her head.
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If I still cared about Natalie Portman, I would be sad, but honestly--haven't we already traded up to Kiera Knightly?
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For a sci-fi flick, apparently.
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She aparently shaved her head for her role in a movie called "V is for Vendetta." Unfortunately, this movie has no relationship to the TV series "V."
Finally got my ticket to RotS, I'm such a slacker.
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It is, however, by the Wachowski brothers and is based on a comic series. This is not entirely a film that we can immediately says has no merit.
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Wait, V is for Vendetta, as in the Frank Miller Batman comic? Whoa!
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Gemm, elaborate please.
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We're referring to this movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/) from this comic (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0930289528/arthurianonli-20)
Amazon's summary:
A frightening and powerful story of the loss of freedom and identity in a totalitarian world, V for Vendetta takes place in an alternate future in which Germany wins WWII and Britain becomes a fascist state. A vigilante named "V" stalks the streets of London trying to free England of its ideological chains. Moore's poetic language coupled with Lloyd's eerie, washed-out color art makes this a captivating read sure to stay with you.
It is not, as Gemm implies, a Batman comic, though it is an Alan Moore book. It shares much more with say, 1984 or Metropolis than it does Batman. The cover DOES suggest the Joker, however.
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Lucas has responded that his "inspiration" for Ep3 was during the Nixon years. Quite silly to see this Bush thing all over the news.
Saw a very bad review from Cannes on AICN. Apparently, they were upset when Lucas cut the scene where Palpatine talks about his former Sith master: [cue Jerry Lewis] Darth Glaaaavin. ;)
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hehe. Any movie with Jerry Lewis in it would automaticaly win the Cannes award.
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Was just reading Ebert's reveiw of EP3 and he has a great line about EP2:
..."Episode II" got so bogged down in politics that it played like the Republic covered by C-Span...
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Just reading another review from AICN. The person took their nephew to see it. A kid who so far only knows the prequels and had no idea how Ep3 was going to end. "Where'd all the good guys go?" he asked his uncle.
That must have been like the "I am your father" ton of bricks for him.
Fans have talked about which movie they would start with if they were going to show someone the saga for the first time. Many argue that starting with the originals would preserve the big revelation moment. And I was in that camp.
But now I'm not so sure. If you started from Ep1, having that knowledge that the characters don't would certainly make it more interesting to watch Anakin's fall and redemption. Empire wouldn't have the same shock value. But I think it would be a different sort of feeling , as a viewer, from identifying with Luke.
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I saw it yestern nacht
I am very pleased... Very pleased indeed.
It felt like is fit with the originals....
Let me clarify, In the beginning it felt like the other prequels... but as the movie progressed, It took the shape of the originals... As Anakin slides.
And YES it is very dark and disturbing... Empire seems happier now...
All in all, I will take Episode 3 as an apology from George for everything except Greedo shooting first.
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I also went to go see it last night. I think we sat closer to the screen than I was used to. I have to say that I agree with the reviews that say Ewan McGregor did an excellent job at Obi-Wan, and I'm really glad that John Williams is as cool as he is.
Can we start a spoilers thread?
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btw, I DID see my midnight showing last night. And I *did* submit an article about it. Since Fell can't be bothered, I'm going t blurb it now.
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Ok, blurbed. (http://www.timewastersguide.com/view.php?id=1068)
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Did you send this to Skar like we told you? Remember back when I said that I'd be at the movie myself all morning, so I wouldn't be able to blurb it until after he approved it?
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Nope, he didn't. And I got up early this morning to see if anything was waiting for me. Nada. If he really submitted it, it wasn't to the movies section.
E, are you planning to go in and clean this up yourself? Is your sister-in-law's name really Liisa, with two 'I's?
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I've known a couple of Liisas. He was consistent with it, so I assume it's correct.
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Yup, that's why I asked instead of just changing it.
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two I's yes. It's the Finnish form. like Kirsti, and Heidi, and Anders. My father-in-law really likes Finland.
I didn't send it to Skar because at first I wasn't even going to put in an actual movie review at all, just the experience. But since we didn't get one last week like we thought, I changed my mind at the last minute.
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Sith made a reported 16 million just from the midnight wensday showings. Double what RoTK did at it's midnight showings.
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RT has a good news story, According to it the adveare tomato score of the original trilliogy is 54%, the prequils is 70%. To get the original score they went back to newpapers during the 70s and 80s and took those reviews instead of useing the ones on their site that were from people doing reviews of the special editions.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=197859
31% - Return of the Jedi
52% - The Empire Strikes Back
79% - Star Wars
are the respected rateings
Also from the article
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As one can see, only Star Wars managed to be Fresh, with a respectable 79% on the Tomatometer, while the other two sequels got successively worse. Most of the critics thought the first film was an inventive, fun, and entertaining summer popcorn movie. It's interesting that they complain about the dialogue back then too. Empire, which is regarded as the best of the series nowadays, only managed to score a mixed 52%. It received great technical grades, but critics had problems with the plot, one way or other, and thought it was just minor entertainment. It got worse with Jedi uneven pacing, no character development, tired acting, and hollow and junky filmmaking. It scored a moldy 30% on the Tomatometer. Prequels were probably the last thing critics wanted back then after the thrashing of the last film.
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I love how so many film critics are baffled by the success of Star Wars. It tells me that many critics need to lighten-up some and get in touch with more people.