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Brandon Sanderson / Re: What else are you reading, lately?
« on: September 10, 2008, 12:43:39 AM »
Lets see... in the past week or so I've read,

Karen Miller-- Kingmaker(book1) & Kingbreaker(book2)
J.V.Jones-- Cavern of Black Ice(book1)
Guy Gavriel Kay-- The Wandering Fire(book2) & The darkest Road(book3) [I seem to have lost book1]

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Writing Group / Re: Everybody's Current Projects
« on: September 09, 2008, 06:52:39 AM »
I'm working on an Arthurian legend piece.  Placed after the death of King Arthur in the world of the dead.  Following Arthur on his way to The Hall of Heroes or something.  What would his journey be like?

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Rants and Stuff / Re: The Sarah Palin VP announcement
« on: September 09, 2008, 06:44:41 AM »
Quote from: miyabi on September 09, 2008, 06:35:21 AM
Quote from: GreenMonsta on September 08, 2008, 11:42:21 PM
Ignore and avoid miyabi
???I did something wrong?
I was wondering that myself.

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Rants and Stuff / Re: The Sarah Palin VP announcement
« on: September 07, 2008, 07:14:08 PM »
Quote from: miyabi on September 07, 2008, 05:24:31 PM
Quote from: Necroben on September 07, 2008, 05:04:22 PM
I'm sorry I don't mean to be rude, but why?
Because Libertaians believe that government should have VERY minimal control over what happens.  So the idea is to get people elected to office who will move towards the ideal government.  SO the thought is, if the federal government tries to step in and stop it then they are stepping out of bounds and that they should separate themselves from that.
I can agree with the concept, but the actual implementation of the idea is kind of worrying.  We as a Country have already been through this once...

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Rants and Stuff / Re: The Sarah Palin VP announcement
« on: September 07, 2008, 05:04:22 PM »
I'm sorry I don't mean to be rude, but why?

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Writing Group / Re: Can I outsource writing to India at $.25 per page and pass it off as my own?
« on: September 05, 2008, 01:01:22 AM »
Quote from: neiana on September 04, 2008, 10:51:34 PM
Yeah I mean sentences or paragraphs.  Paragraphs would make it a lot easier but a truly creative person could use sentences.  Yes you could take the same chords from that song...then if you took the same drums from another song by the same artist, then the same x from another song, so on and so forth.  It's how a lot of techno is made, these days, too.  You take prefabricated sounds and put them together in a way that sounds nice.

Heck.  I can do that on the simplest level.

Ha-ha, yeah a lot of 'em do!  ;D  On the other hand what their doing is sampling.  They still have to get permission or they can be sued.  U.S. and International copy write Laws prohibit one from just sampling from another’s work without permission.  In music as well as writing.  Take Mr. Sanderson for example, he has permission to work on Robert Jordon's AMoL, without that, it would be illegal.  Society as a whole made these laws because they felt it 'is' unethical to sample or otherwise steal from another body of work.  That, I think, is what the main question of this thread is about.  Yes, someone could and probably will, but it is still unethical.

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Writing Group / Re: Can I outsource writing to India at $.25 per page and pass it off as my own?
« on: September 04, 2008, 04:40:01 PM »
Quote from: neiana on September 04, 2008, 01:34:47 AM
"...taking Mr. Sanderson's stories, chopping them up, then creating a new story 100% from the text...   It's all Sanderson's writing but it's not in the order, nor does it tell the same story, as Sanderson ever did... 
Quote from: neiana on September 04, 2008, 06:35:11 AM
Quote from: Necroben on September 04, 2008, 05:16:02 AM
In addition, with trying to cut and paste around someone’s work, well, it would just look awful!  Voice and style would be lost, along with any coherence.

I strongly disagree. A talented creative force can do a very good job of creating a new voice and a new style while creating a coherent story. It would take a lot of time and plenty of research, but it is really no different from composing music as long as you have enough material to draw from.

It's that 100% that throws me.  If your mean just words then that’s one thing, but if your talking whole sentences or paragraphs, well, that’s another thing altogether.  As a music lover and writer I could take the same chords from say, "House of the Rising Sun", and make a new song out of it, but every thing else has to change with it, for it to be "my" song.  In addition, someone who has --"A talented creative force”-- would, I think, just make their own masterpiece in lue of plagiarism.

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Writing Group / Re: Can I outsource writing to India at $.25 per page and pass it off as my own?
« on: September 04, 2008, 05:16:02 AM »
Quote from: neiana on September 04, 2008, 01:34:47 AM
I'm not sure you could even do a cited list and get away with it.  In writing it would be like taking Mr. Sanderson's stories, chopping them up, then creating a new story 100% from the text within Brandon's books or from his blog.  It's all Sanderson's writing but it's not in the order, nor does it tell the same story, as Sanderson ever did...  What then? :D

Well, the question is whether or not it’s wrong to do something like that, in any case.  I believe in most cases we as readers agree that plagiarism 'is' wrong.  Moreover, that to take credit for someone else's work no matter the semantics would also be wrong.

In addition, with trying to cut and paste around someone’s work, well, it would just look awful!  Voice and style would be lost, along with any coherence.

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Writing Group / Re: Can I outsource writing to India at $.25 per page and pass it off as my own?
« on: September 03, 2008, 09:24:39 PM »
I think the question in general is more along the lines of:

If Einstein paid someone to come up with E=mc2, and then passed it off as his own;

                              vs

Hawking having a some grad student transcribe his own theories since he cannot.

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Writing Group / Re: Character Help
« on: September 03, 2008, 12:41:02 AM »
Quote from: Reaves on September 02, 2008, 11:09:53 PM
Has he lost all his beliefs and he doesn't quite know what to do?
I'd say he feels real except he needs more emotion.

Thanks!  I'm trying to set up why he is where he is.  In so far that his escape from grief has clouded his perceptions and memories though alcohol abuse.  He's going to be confused by the things around him and not notice many of the details we might notice in our daily lives.  On the other hand I don't want that to go on for too long as anyone who would read it would be confused as to whats going on.  This so far is just about him and his past with setting and conflict to come in a few more pages.

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Rants and Stuff / Re: The Sarah Palin VP announcement
« on: September 02, 2008, 05:05:42 PM »
Well in my research to find out just what A VP does, I’ve found out that they do… nothing.  Well they only do what the President allows them to do.  This historically is nothing of importance in the governing of the United States.  That being said I have to agree with darxbane.
Quote from: darxbane on September 02, 2008, 01:51:24 PM
Since we're talking qualifications here, how would anyone be more nervous about a vice presidential candidate (Palin) with two years experience as a Governer (which at least is an administrative position), but have no issue with a Presidential candidate with only three years experience in the Senate? Unless McCain dies his first year in office, Palin will gain experience as second in command, which is more than most people have. I also love how people take things out of context. When Palin said she didn't know what the VEEP's job was, she meant that she didn't want to just sit around and have lunch with Senators all day, she wanted to get some work done.

It's funny, everyone says they want a candidate who is different, but only if that different type of politician is in the correct party.
I would rather have someone who has the executive experience vs. legislative to be in a position to take the helm.

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Writing Group / Re: Can I outsource writing to India at $.25 per page and pass it off as my own?
« on: September 02, 2008, 04:47:44 PM »
This is why people hire Lawyers.  There are so many ins and outs to the question of intellectual ownership that most of us get would get lost in all the paper work.

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Writing Group / Character Help
« on: September 02, 2008, 02:14:07 AM »
Thank you to all who gave their opinion and advice.  Beware, you have helped me on my road to become a better writer.

Thank ya'll once again.  ;D

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Rants and Stuff / Re: The Sarah Palin VP announcement
« on: August 30, 2008, 02:35:28 AM »
I agree.  Party line politics and gender aside, what are her qualifications for the job of VP?  Just so there’s no misunderstanding, I don't care what party she's in, or that she's female; I have nothing against a woman in office, of any kind.  But, being the Gov. of Alaska for two years?  How does that help?  How can we know she will do the right job?  Moreover, in the event of the President dieing, we would then have Sarah Palin as President, with little or no experience.

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Writing Group / Re: Critique this
« on: August 28, 2008, 09:35:12 PM »
All right, I like the way it flows, and the characters are interesting, but I keep wanting to call Aermyst; Amethyst, especially with the reference to crystals.

Other than that, I don't see any glaring problems with Setting or Character. 

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