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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Lieutenant Kije on May 24, 2003, 04:16:54 AM
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I went to see X2 with my fam and fiancee today. We saw a trailer to the Hulk movie, before. By the end of the preview, my fiancee, my mother, and my sister were all of them laughing out loud. I really don't know about this movie. I think the Hulk's a great character, but from what I saw I don't think that computer animation is up to the task. He looked puffy and ridiculous and way too fake. That's just my opinion.
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And I suppose you thought that the 60s or 70s version of The Hulk was a whole lot better? At least now he's proportional to what his size should be, and not just some George Forman(or whoever) painted green.
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Actually I think Hulk is supposed to be about 7 1/2 feet tall, but the difficulty is that every artist who works on the comic interprets him differently. I have to say that the movie Hulk really does look like an overgrown muppet. I think that the Hulk should be only slightly larger than a normal human, but very very compact and muscular. Kind of like when he first premiered back in the 60's and looked almost as broad as he was tall.
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I like how he looks. And I think everything else going into it is going to make it a movie worth watching.
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Hey, it was the 70s. What did you expect? Outside of comic book art, Lou Ferrigno (not George Foreman) defined the hulk for me. He starred as the Hulk in six TV movies, a TV series that ran for four seasons, did the voice for an animated hulk in the 90s, and even shows up in this new movie. You gotta love that wild spikey hair he had goin' on back then.
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So what you're saying is that it's ok for something you've seen as a child to look like crap, but not ok for something new to look less than perfect...
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That sounds perfectly reasonable to me, Saint. If they have the technology to make things look perfect, I see no reason for them not to use it.
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I was just indulging in a little sappy nostalgia. To be honest, if the old Hulk tv show comes up while I'm flipping channels, I keep on flipping. But I agree with Fell: given the difference in technology and ability, Lou Ferrigno is more forgivable than Puff the Magic Hulkster, or Kermit the Hulk, or He's Not Heavy He's My Hulk. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm being ridiculous now. Everyone's got their opinion, which makes the world an interesting place.
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And mine would be to beat you with My First Little Whacking Bat. :P
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what exactly are the problems with him? That he doesn't look like a big person and doensn't move naturally? But he's not supposed too. He's a monster. I don't think he looks so bad, and I don't think there's very much forgivable about the old TV show. Yellow eyes and green paint. Yah, horrible. I'm scared. Why i your character/writing/cardboard set so crappy?
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Well, I just watched the trailer again and looked at some movie stills. I actually think they did a prety good job with the animated Hulk. However there are a couple of things that I think could have been better.
First, the hue/saturation doesn't seem consistant to represent skin temperature or wear. Basicly, he doesn't seem able to blush, bruise or rash, which is minor but on real actors you passively notice these sort things.
Second, there seems to be some dissidence in some of his motion paths rate comparative to the motion rate of background or forground images.
Third, there seems to be an odd reflective light in the shadows that just seems a little too intense giving him a radioactive look, which could be intentional.
That's just my opinion, and I wouldn't expect a by-the-book animator to catch any of that stuff. Some of it, like point number one, the technology doesn't exist fully to compensate for the condition.
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I apologize if I've offended - that's the last thing I want to do. I tease my 12 year old sister professionally and maybe that rubs off in some of my posts.
I don't know anything about hue, radiation, etc. but it was just hard for me to take him seriously. He is clearly animated. Of course he's animated, but to me he stands out too much for me to enjoy. Kind of like those scenes in Spider-Man that were clearly animated and looked a little goofy. (But maybe I'm the only one that thought that also.) He doesn't stand out as much as Roger Rabbit, but enough. And there was a scene in the trailer where he was running around a canyon dodging missiles and it almost seemed like he was waddling with his huge feet and stubby-looking legs. Maybe it was just that shot. But I couldn't believe it enough to think it was cool. I'll shut up now, lest I raise anyone else's hackles.
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lol, i don't think anyone is offended. And certainly everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I think unfavorably comparing the cgi Hulk to Lou is a disservice and I'm still a little disbelieving that anyone honestly thinks the TV series looked better. More seemless, yes. More like the Hulk? Not at all. I still think of the comparisons as more exaggerations to make a point.
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I don't know about anyone else, but my hackles have been raised.
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In fairness, I think the CGI Hulk looks a lot more like the comic book version of the Hulk.
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Well, my hackles haven't been raised, but I still disagree with the Lt. (Congrats on being engaged btw!) I took my finace to X2 on Friday and we also saw the Hulk trailer. Now I will not disagree with anyone that says he looks a little fake, however, I don't believe we really have the technology yet to cost-effectively present him any better. I think the movie's version of the origin story for Hulk will justify the radioactive looking skin. I think St. Ehlers is right, the Hulk is a monster, and he's also huge! I think the way he moves is pretty realistic, even if it does cause some people to laugh.
I've never been a great fan of comics, but this is the first movie based on a comic that I have been truly excited to see. This is due partially to the fact that I really liked Xmen and Spiderman, but mostly it is due to Ang Lee. I am of the opinion that he doesn't touch anything that doesn't come out sparkling in the end. I the Hulk will come out as a very well-rounded, fun movie, and I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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My thought on seeing the trailer was "Hey, he actually looks like the Hulk. That's cool." I was later chastized by my more comic-book-savvy friends, who apperantly all want more realism.
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I will say this first: it is a superhero movie and so (as the Saint more or less said in the X2 spoiler thread) you shouldn't think too much about little details. I have come to see the logic in that. I never go into a movie like that thinking academy award, but maybe there is a small part of me that wants that kind of thing to happen to a spec. fic. flick and which screams for perfection from these films. Anyways, as I said about not thinking about it too much, I am now about to think about it too much.
I realized this a.m. that (and I am no zoo-physiology expert) perhaps the Hulk should move more like a gorilla, with his arms acting as quasi-legs at times. It would follow the pattern: humans, while smaller, remain upright, gorillas (much larger and wider) are 3/4 upright so to speak. When you get to be too big for that it seems that 4 legs outright is the best strategy (elephant) or two huge legs and two relatively insignificant appendages (t-rex.)
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My cat is tiny, yet it uses its 'arms' to walk with.
It's not size - its your... i'm not sure. Bone structure? Whether or not the hulk has a bone structure that shifts into gorilla is another question.
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true, true
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Especially the recent capable of duking it out with Superman Hulk
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You mean the Hulk isn't being played by a real actor thats been painted green?
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I tend to disbelieve that the Hulk could take Superman. Superman moves planets, the Hulk throws tanks around. I don't really see how that compares.
Thoughts, anyone?
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I can move plants too. But, then again, I always knew I was on the same level as Superman.
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Have you ever thought about what it would look like to move a planet? Superman starts doing a handstand, and then all of a sudden your planet moves out of orbit. The cartoons never show that.
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And yes . . . that would be the English major mispelling planets.
I don't think I would notice if my planet fell out of orbit. Unless of course the moon started to get bigger like in Majora's Mask.
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I never would have thought of that, Fell. That's just plain old wacky and I haven't had a more amusing thought all day. Thanks!
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Ha! No fair correcting your spelling error to make my pun meaningless! I put a lot of thought into making fun of people.
I'm so misunderstood.
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To clarify, there *is* a crossover where Hulk goes toe to toe with Supes. Supes win, but it was an extended punch out. And he didn't totally trash Hulk with impunity. Supes isn't the invulnerable strength, remember, Doomsday pounded him to death (literally).
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Feels sorry for EUOL
Okay, I'm over it.
Anyway, I guess it's okay when you look at it in that light, but I still think Super strength should be able to take out Incredible strength more quickly.
My favorite cross-over was Superman and Batman.
"Kick over the table."
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I think that this is another example of a movie that should have been animated, but the studios are too stupid to think that the public can accept non g-rated animation.
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unfortunately the studios are right, at least in America. Non-G-rated animation is pretty much dead in the water, every time.
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I dont' see why it needed to be animated either. It looks like the CGI for the Hulk is going to be the comic-to-movie argument for the next decade.
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I think that the Hulk is best attempted as a live action movie. I've studied some about animation, and one thing I have learned is the the American culture has a history and tradition with animation that would precludes it from becoming too serious, at the moment. Comic-book based films are, at the moment, trying to be taken more seriously than just pulp/kitch/banal subject matter. Putting the two together (comic and animation), is essentially a death sentence.
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Especially given the quality of most comic book adaptation animation on TV.
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a lot of people are assuming that the hulks going to suck based on 30 second spots...
It could still be very good.
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Yay, Jeffe got in words what I could not. Three cheers for the Mad Dr.!
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Actually the Ang Lee spin has me intrigued....since he primarily directs dramas.
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I'm certainly willing to give Ang Lee the benifit of the doubt. I can respect a guy who consistantly makes good movies, despite doing so much genre-hopping.
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You saing Ang's a direc-whore?
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I've seen some new footage for the Hulk, watched some new trailers, read some new articles, and I'm really getting excited. The new CG is so much better than the older stuff that I'm surprised they released the old stuff at all--the new stuff is realistic and very human, and it calms a lot of my fears. I've also heard that they're doing a lot of the scenes in a kind of split-screen comicbook style, which sounds very cool.
So yay! I'm happy again!
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Yeah, I'm really interested (since Shyamalan did it) in movies that reproduce comics on the screen. Not that adapt comic subjects, like Spidey and X-Men, but actually make their films as comics. Shyamalan did some AMAZING things. The Matrix had a few nifty things. I'd love to see some other developments and innovations in that area. I'm excited for it. Don't know if I'll get out this weekend, but next one for certain.
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I assume you're referring to Unbreakable. I can think of a few little visual tricks he used, but would you please expound further on the subject?
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Well each scence seemed framed... if you can call it that. I could almost see the comic book pages...
I liked the rational explanation for hero and Villan
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Nearly every shot in Unbreakable is "framed" like a comic panel. On top of that, he spends a lot of time constructing his shots so that they are composed in typical superhero comic forms. He's very subtle about it though, and often draws your attention away from it by pointing out comic forms in objects WITHIN the movie, which pulls you away from looking at all the hard work he did making the shot. He does a lot of work. Next time I watch it I'll find specific examples and give you more detail. It's been a while (at least a year) since I've seen it).