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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: February 01, 2009, 05:21:48 AM »
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Reaves and Cards for Monday so far?

Aye, aye, Cap'n...I'm in!

As for the Terry Goodkind subject...I am a WoT fan...I'm enamored with Jordan's books...but I also like Goodkind's series...having said that, how Goodkind got away with that I'll never know...the only explanation I can think of is that Jordan had such an amazing impact on the genre that his work is in the process of creating a new, modern formula for writing the fantasy epic (much like Tolkien developed tons of writers to follow...), and now we'll see many, many writers follow his example...only time will tell...but as a fan of WoT, I just can't see how someone can read that series and not sub-consciously take SOMETHING from it...of course, Goodkind took EVERYTHING from it...that's different...

Regarding Goodkind himself...the guy is a moron. I'm sorry, but he's philosophically an idiot...and his writing ability DID get better as the series went along, but go back and read Wizard's First Rule again...that was one crappy piece of literature...and Pillars of Creation...the one where Goodkind completely abandons Richard and Kahlan for some completely non-interesting characters for the entire damn book...what the hell was he thinking????? And, to cap it all off...Goodkind is arrogant and full of himself to a fault...ugh...makes me cringe to read some of his personal stuff...things like his opinion that "You are either born a writer...or you are not..." - basically, he believes you are a writer at birth, or you just aren't a writer...you can learn to write "better"...but you'll never "learn to be a writer"...

Having said ALL of that...I do love Richard and Kahlan's characters...and i enjoyed reading the series...but I'm not proud of it...

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If I had wanted nothing but praise, I would have showed it to my Mom.

Hehe...THAT should go into our signatures...

"If all I wanted was praise, I would have had my mom read it...and you sure ain't my momma..."

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Reading Excuses / Re: deckacards - 01/26/09 - Prologue
« on: January 31, 2009, 06:22:59 AM »
Actually...I think that's exactly what I'm going to try :)

The prologue was largely the result of pre-writing I didn't want to let go of...the core of the story is important...and I like the exchange between Dalin and Thorn...but thanks to this thread, I have a pretty good idea of how to fix it...

I think i'll take the advice of starting with Thorn's opening line of dialogue and go from there...probably write from Dalin's POV...

A fair warning...the novel itself (the chapters) are in 3rd person limited...but the "jhin" (Daba or Dalin) characters don't return until about Chapter 5...Chapter 1 covers a bit of past material, but not like this and not in "narrator" form...

Thanks for the encouragement! I assure you...all of the advice here has been well-received and appreciated...i'll be applying much of it.

Just remember...the events revolving around Dalin and Thorn in the Prologue occur almost 1,000 years in the past for the novel...most of the rest is in present day...in the finished product, it will be clear and make sense...

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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: January 31, 2009, 05:42:58 AM »
Hehe...the "My Titles Suck" club...or the MyTitS Club  ;D

(I couldn't help it...I'm a horrible, horrible man...)

Anywho...yeah, it really is a working title...have no intention of naming it that, but it'll work for now...

Thanks for the heads up!

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Reading Excuses / Re: What is YOUR Writing Process?
« on: January 31, 2009, 05:26:24 AM »
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Um... lessee...

Stall, stall, stall, stall, think about, stall, stall, stall, procrastinate, stall, stall, think about it some more, stall, stall, stall, write a page.

Wash, rinse, repeat as needed.

The only honest man among us!  ;D

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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: January 31, 2009, 05:23:11 AM »
you and me Reaves!

Chapter 1 awaiteth...I think I'm gonna' go with a working title of Inheritance...

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Reading Excuses / Re: What is YOUR Writing Process?
« on: January 30, 2009, 09:29:42 PM »
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I wonder if this thread might better fit the Writing Group board. I mean, we're not the only writers on the forum.

Well...I had put it on here because the original question I had was really aimed at wondering what the writing process was like for those writers whose submissions I would be reviewing. Kind of like being able to peek behind the curtain a bit...

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Reading Excuses / Re: What is YOUR Writing Process?
« on: January 30, 2009, 06:28:08 PM »
Yeah...it took me a long time to get to a point where I could make decisions that meant I had to do away with a good idea for an idea that makes more sense...Stephen King calls it being willing to "kill your darlings"...the ability to cut out or re-write parts of a story we love because it just doesn't work.

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Reading Excuses / What is YOUR Writing Process?
« on: January 30, 2009, 05:29:00 PM »
I'm curious...what does writing a novel look like for YOU?

For me, I start with a tale, a myth-like story that I have to sit down and write out...get going on...it's almost like back story...

Then, I end up thinking, "Okay...flash forward a thousand years...how is the world different as a result of THAT story...and what characters will take a prominent role in it?"

Once I start writing on that...then things get going...some days, I HAVE to sit down and write...other times, ideas are flowing into my head and building off of one another and I HAVE to take notes and layout the story before I forget it...spreadsheets to list characters and chapters come into play...random paragraphs of notes pop up in my story...etc.

And then...it all starts to gradually take shape as I flip chapters around, build on previous notes, etc.... Revisions usually get started when my layout/note-taking gets to a point that I have to start making decisions and making previous chapters align with those decisions (facts, names, etc.).

So...what does your process look like? I'm curious to know how it goes for others....


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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: January 29, 2009, 08:41:31 PM »
Sweet! Thanks, Chaos!

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Reading Excuses / Re: Email List + Submission Dates
« on: January 29, 2009, 08:36:02 PM »
SILK:  Question...

I submitted my Prologue this week...how long before I can submit my next piece (chapter 1)? It's all ready, but i thought I read somewhere that we could submit once a month?

I certainly don't want to crowd the week and take time away from other submissions.

Thanks!

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Reading Excuses / Re: 1-26-09 Aspirations
« on: January 29, 2009, 02:23:31 AM »
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Note to self... when Reaves starts swearing at me I'll know I finally have something worth while....


Or if he gives you a compliment, it may mean he thinks it's worthless :)  ...you're screwed now, Reaves...you'll be second-guessed forever! hehe...j/k

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Well...mine is currently untitled and is about 26 - 27,000 words in...I believe I have maybe 7 chapters worth of material...plus 2 prologues...

The structure, at this point, has 3 parts (or Books) to it..each book in the single novel may have its own Prologue for back story tales...but the novel is intended as a stand alone.

I would guess around 40 chapters as a goal...? And my original goal was 100,000 words...but I think that it will be closer to 125 - 150,000 words...? Honestly, it's my first novel...so I have no frame of reference...it could be 300,000 words for all I know...

Much of it is already layed out, but I am currently undergoing a few re-writes of some areas...some of that is due to layout changes...some of it will change the layout itself...

We'll see...

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Reading Excuses / Re: deckacards - 01/26/09 - Prologue
« on: January 29, 2009, 12:36:05 AM »
Regarding the "telly" nature of the prologue:  Yeah, I have to admit, this section was written more as pre-writing for part of the story...one of those things where you write as you create the back story for the novel. I actually didn't realize how much it needed re-written until this review process (which has been INCREDIBLY helpful :)). I've already got some ideas for it...jwdenzel, starting with "I want no bloody part of it" is a great idea...I'll experiment with that as well as fleshing out some of the back story throughout the rest of the prologue.

Regarding the dialogue: I completely agree that some of the dialogue is long-winded in places...again, one of those things where I was in "pre-writing" mode and developing the characters as I went along...when I was done with it, Thorn's character didn't really fit some of the "speeches" I gave him. During my re-write, I'll work on cleaning up the dialogue and making it more efficient and character driven rather than soap-box driven  ;).

Regarding the shift from Daba to Dalin:  When I originally started writing, I knew the story would be about Daba (and still is), but I fell in love with the story of Dalin and ended up writing much more on it than I intended...the tricky thing is this...the entire prologue about Dalin is back story...it happens almost a thousand years before the actual novel and the main characters of the book. In fact, Daba (being one of three main characters in present time) doesn't come back in the story until his own chapter in chapter 5 (maybe a bit before that...but we'll see)...Chapters 1, 2, 3, and 4 follow completely different characters...at least, they seem that way...SO...all that to say, in my re-write, I will completely eliminate any mention of Daba and follow only Dalin and Thorn...should make the prologue more interesting...

Regarding the rushed ending:  hehe...busted. I actually hadn't written the end of the prologue until I agreed to submit it this week. Then, I re-read it and found out, "Holy crap! I never finished this...." So, the ending was, in fact, rushed just like you suspected, Reaves :)

Regarding Jedediah News: Not really sure how I will address that in the re-write...I wasn't really going for any emotional impact for the reader...it was simply a way to introduce the threat of outsiders coming to Kalikhan...but now that you mention it, I'm going to have to address the question, "Do I want an emotional impact?" I'm concerned about fleshing it out too much...I don't want it to dominate the Prologue because it's really a minor point...but now that I think about it, if Dalin had not dealt with an outside enemy before, or this type of tragedy in Kalikhan, then it WOULD have to have a significant emotional impact on him, wouldn't it...hmmm...

Regarding the enemy and "skaggs": Actually, skaggs is a derogatory term used by Thorn...the enemy...well...that's one of those things that will remain a bit mysterious until a certain point...but don't worry...there will be no shortage of evil henchmen-type characters :)

Regarding 3rd person POV: I think the main reason 3rd person omniscient struggles for acceptance in novels is because it sounds like a children's tale...like a fable...sometimes, I think that works, but I honestly think 3rd person limited is more of what you'll see in the novel...with 3rd person omniscient in the Prologue(s)...little tidbit...the structure of my single novel now looks to have three parts (Books) and each "book" may have it's own "prologue" to it...each prologue written more in 3rd person omniscient...perhaps...I like the idea of a prologue sounding like a tale being told by a narrator to setup the chapters...

"And" or "But": Well...the official "rule" I remember is that if you know the rules, and you know what you're doing, you can break the rules. The danger is using it too much (actually, see "Finding Forrester" the movie)...which I may have done if you noticed it. Hmmm....worth reviewing...thanks! I usually just write whatever sounds good for the pace/feel...

Who to root for...Dalin or Thorn:  Why not both...? ;)

Keep the reviews coming! I've had so many break-through moments thanks to you guys it's not even funny. Really appreciate it...

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Reading Excuses / Re: 1-26-09 Aspirations
« on: January 29, 2009, 12:02:25 AM »
Necro says: "Thanks a lot, deckacards..."

Necro thinks:  "Thanks a lot, As soon as I find your address in whitepages.com, I'm gonna' burn your house down and eat your heart, you hack! deckacards..."

Anyone else feel like a jerk after posting their reviews?  ???

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