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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ALCATRAZ und das Pergament des Todes
« on: September 03, 2008, 08:29:51 AM »
I loathe English.  I would like to learn Chinese (of some dialect) and Korean and Thai, but alas, my programming classes take up FAR too much time and I'm required to be in those classes when language classes are being taught.

http://www.livemocha.com offers free courses. They work similarly to the Rosetta Stone software.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ALCATRAZ und das Pergament des Todes
« on: September 03, 2008, 06:36:24 AM »
I would totally buy a copy of Alcatraz in Korean.   ;D  I started reading Harry Potter in Korean but gave it up in disgust on the train scene when Hermione introduced herself as "Hermy-own" and the bogey-flavored bean was rendered as "a very strange-tasting one."  Alas.

HAHA!  Woooow!  I bet bogeys do taste pretty strange, though :D  What would you suggest for Hermione, though?  Feel free to write in both Korean and Latin-based Korean phoneticed. :D

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Hero of Ages Prologue
« on: September 03, 2008, 04:36:52 AM »
The first logic chain makes sense, but I don't think Ruin wants to be worshiped. He just wants to destroy things. (As per Alendi's logbook entry, which has something to do with Ruin on some level.) As for the second, the problem I see with that is that even if Ruin is limited in spirit-form, Inquisitors seem so much more limited to me. They have to rest very often and can omnisciently warp reality. If he wanted a body, I don't think he'd choose an Inquisitor unless he had to.

If Inquisitor's can indeed be controlled by the metals within them, the way the koloss and potentially kandra can, then Ruin in an Inquisitor's body could give Vin an idea that would ultimately prove worthless (because Ruin would be more powerful) - just a tiny note for the theory that the Hero won't win (if Vin's the Hero). :D

Suddenly I wonder if Sazed can be controlled...  ahh I wish I knew the proper threads to go posting these mini-thoughts or looking for them anyways.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Hero of Ages Prologue
« on: September 03, 2008, 03:47:06 AM »
The only reason I could fathom would follow this line of thinking:

a) Ruin will want to be worshiped the way TLR was
b) he would need a body
c) a prologue is a better place to embody a god than elsewhere unless we were building up to it
d) thus...

OR

a) Ruin can only do so much in a spirit-form.
b) he would need a body.
c) et cetera

It felt right for it to be Ruin, so *shrug*...  I don't have strong evidence to support it, though. :)

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ALCATRAZ und das Pergament des Todes
« on: September 03, 2008, 03:14:03 AM »
Good grief.  How to the native speakers learn this stuff?

I am not sure if this was meant to be sarcastic or what, but if you're really asking then it's really a lot easier than English.

In English you basically learn a completely different set of vocabulary - a whole sub language - to speak with your boss.  A different one for friends and a different one for family.  Also, there is the language for typing on the internet in a chat room and the language of writing on message boards.  Sometimes one of these will overlap another, sometimes it will not.  For a foreigner to learn the various formalities of English, I believe, it is very difficult when compared to the formalities in Korean & Japanese.

For Korean & Japanese it's pretty simple: change conjugation of the verb.  That's the only thing that needs to be done differently to indicate who you are talking to and the relationship between them.

If you want to start getting crazy, let's discuss words relating to various parts of the family in any east Asian language. :D

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: To pass the time: Buy/Sell
« on: September 03, 2008, 02:48:44 AM »
Buy or Sell, the atium is in preservation's mouse hole.

Buy, but that makes Preservation a bit of a slut don't you think?

Buy or Sell?
Ruin is just upset 'cuz Preservation won't let her get to the Atium........

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ALCATRAZ und das Pergament des Todes
« on: September 03, 2008, 02:46:41 AM »
The two that are in the book:

Based on the dictionary form of "to work":  일하다

"Polite Formal" would be 일합니다
"Polite Informal" would be 일하어요

The ones our prof. actually explained that aren't in the book:

"Plain" would be 일하 (with proper noun modifier)
"Intimate" would be  일하어

Then, since my notes aren't very well done, you also tack on either ㅡ시 or ㅡ으시 (vowel or consonant) to add an honorific.  *grumbles*  Then there's this humble form I wrote in English but can't decide if that's part of the honorific or what.

Anyway, those are the only things I can find in my notes.  I'm thinking you already know this and I am thinking of something else, perhaps.  Or the professor (talking a million miles a minute in four languages) went over something that I only copied in Korean without translating it. *blush*

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Hero of Ages Prologue
« on: September 03, 2008, 02:15:27 AM »
Wait why are you talking about Zane? Miyabi was saying the sacrifice being created was an Inquisitor. Seems like common sense to me...Of course I totally discount Ruin's "embodiment" I really do not think it will have one.

Because Zane had spikes and he wasn't an Inquisitor (yet?).  If Ruin was to have a body it would probably come at the hands of the Steel Ministry - it could even be an Inquisitor in appearance.  Jesus didn't look any different than the rest of the people he was around, right? :)

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: To pass the time: Buy/Sell
« on: September 03, 2008, 12:29:20 AM »
Buy or sell?
Ruin is a Soother.

Buy.  It makes sense to sooth emotions while you make ... ruin...

Buy or sell?
Ruin and Preservation aren't named according to what they do for the world but what they do for themselves.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Hero of Ages Prologue
« on: September 03, 2008, 12:24:38 AM »
Thank you.  I believe you agreed with me on that point whether you intended to or not. :D

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Reen's obsidian
« on: September 03, 2008, 12:23:06 AM »
No, we generally do not.  The magic in this world follows specific rules.  We don't know all of them, but every last one that we have seen, every last one that has ever been found, *including the examples listed above* all involve metals, and only metals.  Not only that, but trace metals play only the smallest part in the system and seem very unlikely to get involved unless crazy-strong allomancers get involved.  Even if they do, it will still be the metal that is special.

In addition, none of these powers leave "footprints" in the usual sense of the word.  Once pushing or pulling (physical or emotional) is done, the item (person) moves on its new trajectory following the "non-magical" laws of physics; it has been changed, but the change does not continue; there is no allomantic radiation given off, or any continuing magical change.  I've heard rumors that internal pushing and pulling might leave permanent scars, but that's probably more like bending metal with a pull and leaving it be; there is no trace of pulling left over after, just the bent metal (or person).

What you don't seem to understand is that we don't expect EUOL to change the rules midstream.  We expect the final picture to make sense in terms consistent with what we already know.  You could keep saying things along the lines of "Prove that obsidian can't have magic powers!" and we won't have a final answer for you until we actually read the last book.  That doesn't mean that our answers aren't sufficient; we logically cannot prove a negative.  We just have to give reasons to think the negative is unfruitful and why we choose to ignore it.  Your protests to the contrary aren't swaying anybody; they're just ticking us off, largely because they aren't really adding anything to the debate.

okay happyman, when did you read about the powers TLR acquired presumably from WoA?  It's not in the two books, but you certainly know exactly how it happened and what traces of magic don't exist.  Also, just because something isn't making itself readily apparent doesn't mean it isn't so - Mr. Sanderson likely has a better imagination than you & I so get off your dilly and use your brain.  He hasn't forced everything into a petite little present for you just yet, so wait and see what other surprises he might have before mucking with a valid metal comment.

If the Ashmounts have anything at all to do with anything then I can almost assure you he was quite aware of what obsidian was made of.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ALCATRAZ und das Pergament des Todes
« on: September 03, 2008, 12:17:21 AM »
Six types for Korean? I only know four... pan mal, middle mal, high mal, and scripture/prayer mal. What else is there?

Let me get my book... .... ...

HA it's not in here.  Let me see, I am not going to remember the names like you have mentioned, but here is what I recall:

intimate (for lovers, or possibly for parents to very young children)
family & very close friends
'normal' day to day speech with classmates and friends
formal speech when speaking to professors, teachers, upperclassmen, etc. (polite informal, actually, was what my prof. called it)
formal speech when speaking to people far higher superior than you such as a master or other authority figures ('polite formal' she said)
and the scripture/prayer

*tries to look once more*  The professor said we were only going to learn two (normal & polite informal) and that's all the book mentions.  I recall a sheet she handed out and identified the rest and how to use them.  She also frequently went on tangents regarding the differences between each and also at times their respective words in Japanese.

Ah, the book itself says it introduces the polite formal and the polite informal, but it says nothing of the rest.  I can try to find the paper with conjugation rules for the others, if you like?

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No, I mean objective.  We can make ethics anything we wish.  We can change them to suit our needs.  While they are subjective, they are also objective.

That makes it subjective...  objective means you look at it from an outside perspective and try to decide what is right.  Subjective means you look at it from your own perspective and try to decide what's right for you.  So, you mean subjective.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: ALCATRAZ und das Pergament des Todes
« on: September 02, 2008, 10:02:13 PM »
I don't like the fact that Japanese has three written scripts/alphabets and I like the fact that Chinese only has one.
I don't like the fact that Japanese (along with Korean) requires my entire language to reflect my relationship to who I am talking to.  I like the fact Mandarin is generally a formal language whereas Cantonese can be formal or informal (that's a WHOLE TWO, rather than six types of speech for Korean and at least three I've picked up in Japanese - if not more).

I like the fact that your understanding of Kanji really only means you know some Chinese, since Kanji ... is ... Chinese. ;)

I also prefer the tones of Mandarin/Cantonese to the lazy sound of Japanese. :D

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Hero of Ages Prologue
« on: September 02, 2008, 09:58:24 PM »
Well, if you pay really close attention to semantics, the body below had eye-spikes. Just saying . . .
My point solidified as much as possible without reading the book.  (Even if it's NOT an Inquisitor, I would be disappointed if this was the body that Ruin took.

So Zane's back-spike makes him an Inquisitor?  I don't find this to be a good enough argument.  It's clear a spiked body does not an Inquisitor make.

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