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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2003, 11:19:14 PM »
Ooh - I'm giddy to respond to this thread, but it will have to wait.  I got a new job on Monday and they actually make me work.
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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2003, 08:17:03 AM »
I know I promised not to say anything more, but no one can blame me for this one.

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What we need to do is get the UN to send peacekeepers
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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2003, 08:21:20 AM »
Also I didn't mean that you don't know anything about wars Jeffe.  It's just the ONLY person on this board who's been consistanly correct when it comes to war history is Mustard.  And I want to hear from him because I know he knows more about this then I do, he's like the wilson on Home Improvement.  And he's proven me wrong so many times it'd be stupid of me not to ask his opinion.

Also I just heard an analigy from the Editor-at-Large of Time Magazine of Iraq I think I agree with.  Iraq is more like northern Ireland and the IRA.  Only a coupple of hundred of people in a few places managed to hold of the British army for quite a long time.  Just like Iraq, only a few places had any combat and not the whole country.

And Jeffe notice I said "Almost all wars" not all wars. Before you attack someones comment, make sure you've read it.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2003, 08:46:17 AM by Spriggan »
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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2003, 08:45:57 AM »
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In Iraq we do have a cental group thats is coordinating the attacks, and if you think there isn't then I feel sorry for you.
 I do think the attacks are planned, but there's no evidnce that there's one group doing it.  I think there's several, they may or may not be in communication with each other.  But I think it would be to hasty to say other wise when no one knows for sure
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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2003, 09:35:33 AM »
Silly spriggan.

BTW, the IRA hardly "held us off". Consider the ratio : several dozen dead soldiers at most, nearly a thousand dead on all three sides in the history of the conflict. Several hundred to a couple thousand IRA guys in jail. We may not have been able to stop all the bombs, but we certainly put away a stinkload of terrorists, something you are not seeing in Iraq now - have they caught anyone?
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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2003, 09:39:46 AM »
and how many years did it take you to do so?  like 30.  I don;t know much about the IRA conflict.  But the Time Magazine layed out some pretty good arguments.  It would be intresting to look at the first year of the IRA insurgence and see how it compaires.
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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2003, 10:31:01 AM »
Well that was rude.
So you made a promise not to deliberately hurt  peoples feelings and start an unending argument and then you start the argument anyway. Despite your desire to really start a flame war Im going to listen to Charlie and not get into it. I'll just have to vehemently disagree.
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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2003, 10:55:46 AM »
well I wasn't until you replied and ignored part of what I said, miss quoted me and skewed the other part.  Oh and I NEVER promised anything, I just said I don't care what more you had to say.  But as I said in the first sentence I do care when you twist what I say and try to make it sound like I said something else.  And as to intentionaly hurt your feelings, I can do that realy easy but instead  I actualy apoligised for impliying you don't know anyhing about war.  Then you turn around and insult me, that's what's rude.  And if you can't take a joke (the laughing at the UN quote) then you're comming to the wrong site.
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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2003, 11:36:16 AM »
First off before people run for the hills im not going to address the threads topic.  I do think Fell needs to delete it though.
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Spriggan in your latest post you stated
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Oh and I NEVER promised anything

If this is indeed the case Im sorry, I guess I misunderstood Entropys Post and yours
,which by the way stated that you did promise to stop.

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I know I promised not to say anything more

Next You claim I misquoted you about your statement on the political nature of vietnam.
Since that is apparently the only thing you think I "twisted" Iwill ask you to go back and red what you wrote. What you said was...

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Vietnam was more political and such then any other war.

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Which is pretty clear to me.

What I said was
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I would hardly call it more political than any other war


How was that misquoting?
You did say the word"any", there no argument there, if you had meant "almost any" then you should have said it.
The only other thing I can see is the part of your post where you said you can fit almost any war into those catagories and I said you couldnt fit every war into those catagories and gave examples.
I knew what you meant and I was giving examples to disagree with you.
I never said you said "every" and never meant to imply it, if thats what your mad about then your the one twisting what I said
If there were other thing I misquoted you on I cant address them because you were only specific about that one.

Finally saving the biggest issue for last, I called you rude. Put your your feelings aside for a moment and realize that laughing at one persons opinion for half a page and then apologizing to them the next post sounds really half hearted, kind of like an obligitory way to save face after doing something that you know was wrong. I'll give you an example
"Jeffe you are a complete git for thinking that. Oh by the way Im sorry for insulting you that time before."
So yeah I called what you wrote rude, it was. Im not sorry for saying so. I found it especially rude since I also agreed to stop talking about a topic I care very passionately about and the other person who had apparently promised not to do the same in the interest of board harmony (my understanding of the situation after talking to entropy and saint and reading your I Know I promised not to do this quote) took advantage of it to jump right back into the thread and argue. I hope you notice that the minute Charlie told me to stop talking about my feelings on the war because its caused problems on the board I stopped. I didnt say a thing about you untill you hopped right back into the argument. If you feel like you have to have the last word I can respect that. But I think thats what this has become. Im going to ask Fell to either lock or delete this thread because its obvious that the subject is too divisive to allow on the board. Untill then Im done with it, you can post as much as you want to get your last word and I wont type a thing.

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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2003, 12:04:14 PM »
well one thing, I wasn't clear on where the "almost any" was.  It wasn't dealing with the comment on vietnam being political but this line:

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Jeffe your list is too generic, you can fit just about any modern war in those catagories.
 
So it was my fault for that confusion.   I don't have any problems with the things you pointed out, if I did I would have mentioned them ealier.

I still think Vietnam was more political then korean war, I could be wrong that's why I said I wanted to hear Mustars POV on it.  And I clearly stated such in the orignal post.

I did never promise anthign to Entropy and as I said the UN post was a joke in it's entirty.  If your one to hold a clearly sarcasic remark made as a joke to someone as a serious coment, then fine I'm a lier.

and in my previous post I clearly explained why I replied, I did not try to argure your main point, I never even mentioned it.  I allwayse feel the need to clarify my remarks when I feel someone missreads them for what ever reason.

as for makeing a joke in one post and apologizing in another, I didn't realise that you have no since of humor and I apologize and promise never to make a joke around you again.
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Re: Fighting Iraq like we fought Vietnam
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2003, 07:02:07 PM »
Stop acting like children. Jeffe has requested that I lock this topic and I heartily agree--if I'd had time to read the forum these past few days I would have locked it already. If you start another topic to carry on this same thread, it will be locked as well.
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