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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2004, 07:38:12 PM »
That's what I was referring to when I said there were a bunch of lines explaining what was going on. In episodes 25 and 26 (Original, not movies) there are a bunch of lines explaining what is going on in terms if instrumentality. If oging to quote a bit, *spoiler alert*.


The very first line tells us what's going on:

"The reason to exist, La raison d'etre "

Right there, is what the two episodes are about. Shinji, presented the choice of life or not life, trying to find a reason to continue. Hence the moral questions gnawing away:

"Why did you kill him?"

Later, Rei's Origins are explained:

"No. you are a human whose false soul was made by a man named Ikari Gendou. You are a false object which is pretending to be a human. Look, you have a dark, invisible, and unintelligible mind within you, where the true you exists."

And the meaning of instrumentality begins to be hinted at. We start to realise it is the joining of all souls:

"I am I. I've become me through the instrumentality of the links between me and others."

Rei says that, so by inference, we must assume that the instrumentality of Shinji must therefore be caused by the link between him and others (all mankind).

"The Self's world will disappear."
"The Self will disappear."

Hence, we learn that instumentality requires the destruction of what already exists.

Then, a more complete explanation, given by Shinji:

"What feeling is this? That I feel like I have experienced before. My body seems like it's disappearing. Agreeable. I feel like I'm spreading, and becoming large, to here, there and everywhere."

"That was the very beginning of the complementation of the people by the instrumentality of man. The thing people lost. The lost minds. Complimenting the vacuum in the mind. The complementation by the instrumentality of minds and soul begins. All things return to nothingness. The complementation by the instrumentality of man has just begun."

Of course, to understand that, we must look at the word "Instrumentality". An instrument is an object that becomes an extension of yourself, and thus imrpves you at some task. So to use another person as an instrument? Isn't that allowing them to become a part of you that you may no longer feel lonely?

"All the minds become one mind, obtaining peace forever. Nothing but that."

"We always have a vacuum, something lost in our minds."

"So you unify people's minds and make them compliment each other?"

It's not as beautiful as it sounds, however:

"That's nothing but cheap friendship."

Episode 26, is called "The beast that shouted 'I' in the heart of the world." This makes sense, hinting again that people will become one being, for the selfish reasons of Shinji. (See how it's starting to be obvious how this is a tale about lonilness and Shinji coming of age?)

Another explanation:

"We are trying to compliment by the instrumentality of each other."

Then, through most of episode 6, Shinji becomes mindful of his lonliness and fears, and realises he can choose between instrumentality or the real world. Finally, he rejects the instrumentality, realsing his self worth and that people do, in reality, care about him.

"I hate myself .But, I might be able to love myself. I might be allowed to stay here. Yes. I am nothing but I. I am I. I wish to be I. I want to stay here! I can stay here!"

So it is suggested what is going on, but you need to look really hard several times to find it.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2004, 01:11:44 PM »
To set the record straight, I posted the press release two days after I got it.

And I maintain that even if you can make sense of something, that doesn't mean it makes sense on its own. But please don't let my opinion bother you.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2004, 04:54:38 PM »
You make a very good, well-thought-out argument JP.  However, I will stick to my stand that I found Eva horribly confusing.  Maybe the clues were there, but I think they were buried deeply enough that they simply became part of the confusion.  It's hard to make sense of something when you're not sure which parts you should make sense from.

That said, it really wasn't that hard for Tage to explain to me what the show was about, once I'd seen all the episodes.  I just don't think I could have puzzled it out for myself without extensive re-watching.  
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2004, 03:45:58 AM »
Which, incendentally, is exactly the same as what I'm saying. The stuff is there, just hard to spot. And you need to be one of about three people on Earth who have full understanding of all these external things to puzzle it yourself. It is possible, but in a very loose sense of the word.

As for extensive re-watching, I am currently watching it in Japanese without subtitles, because I know what they're saying anyway.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2004, 04:03:43 AM »
Okay, now I'm kind of interested.  Is this a movie or a television series or what?  And is it very hard to get a copy or whatever and watch it?
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2004, 04:04:34 AM »
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As for extensive re-watching, I am currently watching it in Japanese without subtitles, because I know what they're saying anyway.


Wow, umm yea for you?  I personaly can't constenetly rewatch things over and over again.  Even movies I realy like I cant watch more then once or twice a month.  I saw Eva once and that's enough for me.  Maybe if it was as good as Beserk,Macross Pluss, or FLCL I'd watch again.  But it's too out there to enjoy casualy.  And I'm with EUOL, I don't want to have to have someone explain everthing to me, or get a book that does the same, that's not enjoyable for me.  Maybe if I studied Judeo-Christian mythology more (I know a decent amount, but I'm no scholor) I could enjoy it.  But I'm not going to just so I can try and fully undstand a mini-series that a few years from now no one I know will ever talk about.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2004, 04:16:11 AM »
EP, it's an Anime in 26 half hour episodes and two movies.  Pretty easy to find on DVD, but very deep and difficult to understand, as you may have picked up. I think it's the best thing ever, but ask someone else if you want a non-fanboy opinion.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2004, 04:33:45 AM »
If its something I can just wander over to Hollywood Video and rent (they actually have a lot of anime movies and series, so I might luck out), then someone saying "this is good" is enough for me to check it out.  Of course, if you knew how many movies I watch this wouldn't be suprising at all (its to the point that when I go rent a movie, I have to look for a movie I haven't saw rather than a movie I think I might like).  I actually own over 300 movies on dvd, so buying it isn't a big deal as long as 1) I can actually find it to buy (believe it or not, I run into this problem a lot) and 2) its a movie I'd at least be slightly interested in.  There's still a number of movies I'm interested in getting, so I tend to buy stuff I think I'll want to watch more than just once or twice, but I do own several movies that I've only watched once.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2004, 04:56:11 AM »
not sure if you can rent it or not out here, I rarely goto movie rental places anymore.  It was popular enough a few years ago that some stores might have carried it then.  Don't know about now since it's not one of the currently popular animes anymore.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2004, 05:09:23 AM »
Yes, I wasn't expecting I could rent it... just saying, who knows, I might get lucky.  My problem is how hard it can be to find a movie unless its a big blockbuster movie.  Like when Forever Knight came out on dvd, I managed to find it at Wallmart the day before I was getting paid.  So the next day I get my paycheck and head back to Wallmart but it was gone.  So then I'm sort of on a quest to find it, and I go to provo mall, orem mall, Media Play... all over the damn place and can't find it.  So then I just gave up.  I tried again last week but still can't find it.  Its like that with tons of stuff I want.  I know its out there, but when I'm actually looking I can never find it.  I know I could probably find a lot of this stuff on the internet, but I hate buying stuff off the internet or out of catalogs and such.  Its not that I think I'll get ripped off, its just when I buy something I don't like waiting two weeks to actually get it.  I want to go down to the store and buy it and leave with it in my hand.  The only things I can recall buying off the internet was my Elric and Death Dealer books, and I looked for them for years to buy locally before going to the internet.  The only things I can remember buying out of a catalog was some Highlander shirts and hair ties, and a bike.  So if I have to get it on the internet, I probably won't bother, but if I see it in the store I'll pick it up.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2004, 05:42:17 AM »
well don;t forget you can goto mediaplay and have them order it for you if you cannot find it.  Takes 3-7 days for them to get it.  Don't need to use the net if you don't want to.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2004, 06:22:20 AM »
I didn't have a problem getting the Eva DVDs; I see them in stores regularly (I'm in the city, but I've seen in a smaller city too)
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2004, 07:09:02 AM »
I have seen it in shops in my town - 100k people, in the UK which lags badly behind the US in terms of anime i think. Only 1 anime con to speak of afaik.
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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2004, 07:37:44 AM »
yeah, if you refuse to buy online (i'm sort of the opposite, it's so much easier for me to point and click than to ever actually visit a store), nearly every store around will be happy to special order it, most of them without charging anything extra.

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Re: Eva Director's Cut
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2004, 02:04:22 AM »
If you're going to invest in an anime series, I'd recommend Cowboy Bebop over Eva, but that's just me.

On a vaguely related note, I've been looking everywhere for a copy of "Ride on Shooting Star," the end title song from FLCL. Does anybody know where I could find it?
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