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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Timemaster11 on September 26, 2010, 08:30:58 PM
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I believe I have discovered the identities of all the Herald images.
First, if one looks in the Ars Arcanium, one may notice that the ten numbers for the ten essences are actually shortened versions of the Herald names.
1)Jes=Jezrien
2)Nan=Nalan
6)Shash=Shalash
8)Kak=Kalak
9)Tanat=Talenel (also known as Talenelat)
10)Ishi=Ishar
Thus, we have the element association of each of the Heralds, as well as on abbreviated form of all of their names.
Also, note that on the front inside cover, the image with all the symbols surrounded by the Herald images, if one starts with the blue symbol and moves clockwise around the image, the symbols appear to match, in order, with the Gemstones.
1)Blue-Sapphire
3)Red-Ruby
4)White-Diamond
5)Green-Emerald
6)Red-Garnet
8)Purple-Amethyst
9)Dark Yellow-Topaz
Now, note that approximately above each symbol is one of the Herald images.
My theory is that the Herald image above each symbol is the Herald of that gemstone.
Supporting evidence:
1) The image easily identified, Jezrien, is associated with the sapphire symbol.
2) It is stated that the Heralds are 5 female, 5 male. Of those, Jezrien, Nalan, Kalak, and Talenel are all known to be male. The gemstone symbols connected to these 4 are all associated with male images.
3) Many believe that Ishar is a male-sounding name, and believe Ishar to be the fifth male. Ishar's gemstone symbol is associated with the fifth male image.
4) It is noted that whenever Hoid appears, his image appears. Assuming that there is some pattern to the appearing of the other images, another image can be positively identified. In the epilogue, the helmed image appears. Thus, it appears Talenel is the helmed image. Note now that the helmed image is associated with Talenel's gemstone symbol, Topaz.
5) From the specifics of Shallan's attributes, it has been thought that Shallan is of the 6th radiant order, Garnet, thus associated with Shalash. Note that each of the times she enters Shadesmar, the image of the lady with a jewel on her forehead appears. This image is the one associated with the garnet symbol.
On a side note, there are only 3 non-Shallan chapters where the proposed-Shalash image appears. One of those is the Baxil chapter, where that image is the only one. It has been separately proposed that Baxil's mistress is actually Shalash, which fits well with that image being the sole one for the chapter.
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I posted this in the Heralds thread, but bringing it over here, some additional things to think about that could support Shallan being of the order Shalash is tied to, and Shalash being Baxil's mistress is if there are two Orders that use Soulcasting, Shallan and Jasnah seem to be of the two of them, instead of them both being of the same one, due to specifics of Shallan's Soulcasting experiences that Jasnah is surprised by. Added to Shallan's artistic skills and how they're tied to a seemingly mystical kind of Memories and that Jasnah has no appreciation or respect for art, it would seem to follow that art and Memories are part of what's specific to Shallan's order and sets it apart from the other Order wielding a form of Soulcasting. Baxil's mistress being Shalash and her obssession with artistic representations of herself would definitely seem to tie into the idea that she is the Herald of Shallan's order, and art plays a big role in their specific nature.
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One question to consider is how Brandon chose the images for each chapter, and what those might tell us about those chapters. For instance, most chapters with Jasnah have the woman associated with Emerald. The two main times we see her obviously soulcast, this Herald is in the chapter headings. Yet, the time both Jasnah and Shallan go to Shadesmar, the Herald in the chapter heading besides Shalash is the one associated with Zircon.
The first one has the attributes Just/Confident
The second one has the attributes Wise/Careful
I think these may be the two main options we have for Jasnah's order.
It would be interesting to see what all we can surmise from the Heralds chosen in the chapter headings.
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Hmm, I don't have the table in front of me, but what are the essences or attributes associated with Shalash and Shallan's presumed order? The Garnet one?
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Yes. The attributes for that order associated with Garnet are Creative/Honest. The essence is blood.
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Yeah, I'd have to say I don't see how Shallan could possibly be anything other than Garnet, with the spren requiring a great Truth from her to Soulcast, and with some kind of power with her art. And given Shalash's preoccupation with art, there's some power in the creation of certain kinds of art, or the things or people depicted in that art, and she pretty much has to be the Herald attached to that order. Plus creativity and honesty definitely seem like the attributes of a godlike figure called Lady of Dreams at some point throughout history.
Which means I'm pretty convinced you're dead on with the other identities as well.
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Jasnah is probably from the other order that can soulcast. SHe is definitely not creative, and spurns art, so she could not be of the same order as Shallan. This would also explain why Jasnah was surprised by the line spren that were following Shallan, as for Jasnah it is probably a totally different experience.
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Now that we know what picture relates to which herald, can we work out why each Herald is related to each chapter? I think we have most of them already, such as Shalash and Hoid, but there are still a number of chapters unaccounted for.
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Well, do the Emerald, Garnet or Zircon Heralds show up at the headings to any chapters with Elkohar? Depending on if the line headed spren are associated with any kind of soulcasting, or if there are two different kinds of spren for the two different versions of soulcasting, Elkohar as a potential Soulcaster could reveal a lot. If Shalash is one of the images with chapters he's in, that would seem to indicate he's potentially of the same order as Shallan...but as I think he's more likely of the same order as Jasnah, if Zircon or Emerald head any of his chapters, that might indicate that one is the other Soulcasting order. Personally I think Emerald is the other Soulcasting order, as I think the attributes fit Jasnah better than Wise/Careful, especially with all her talk of ethics and morals....whether you agree with her stance on morality, SHE'S completely convinced of the rightness of her moral stance, and maybe that's what attracts Just or Righteous spren or whatever you might call them. I don't think Zircon fits Jasnah as well, personally, and I think it might have been there because the Zircon Herald has something to do with Shadesmar, specifically.
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In chapter 18 - Highprince of War - it isn't Shallash (I can't work out who it is as i dont have a US edition of WoK). However in chapter 69 - Justice - she is in it. But while these chapters both have Elhokar in them, I do not know if those Heralds correspond with him or someone else.
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Hmm, well I can't think of anyone else who shares chapters with Elkohar who would fit the same mold as Shalash/Shallan with the exception of Navani. And I don't think she has any potential Radiant powers, but she is creative and honest, so maybe it could still be her...except I don't remember her being in that chapter.
My gut instinct is that Elkohar's more likely of Shallan's order than Jasnah's, even though he is related to Jasnah. The attributes just seem more like him, plus he sees the wavy headed spren.
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Navani is in fact in chapter 69 - Justice
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Damn. It could be referring to her then, because Shalash/Garnet fits Navani a lot better than Elkohar at this point.
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It could also be possible that Elhokar does not soulcast at all, and the line spren he see are similar, but actually different than those seen by Shallan and Jasnah. Note that Shallan and Jasnah probably see different spren as they are from different orders, yet they make no mention of the spren looking different, so maybe some spren just look similar.
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There is a mistake in the Ars Arcanum. "Learned/Giving" should be switched with "Just/Confident." Just/Confident should go under 2 Nan and Learned/Giving should go under 5 Palah.
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The chapter where Elhokar mentions seeing the spren (Ch. 58) does have the Zircon herald as one of the two Heralds. Whether this choice was due to Elhokar or not is another matter entirely.
It is also possible that some of the choices of Herald images signify the qualities being displayed in that chapter, and not just the powers someone has.
It would be nice to find out if Brandon Sanderson was ever random on the images chosen, if he put a lot of thought into all of the images, or only put a lot of thought into some of them.
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Wow, thanks Peter. That makes a huge difference, and makes me even more convinced that Jasnah is associated with Palah. Learned/giving fits her a hell of a lot more than Just/Confident.
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I haven't got the front cover symbols, so can anyone tell me, the herald that appears in chapter 72, would that be the herald for palash (symbolised by the emerald)?
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Yes, she does appear on Ch. 72. The Herald for Palah is the one with hair going in every which direction. Was there something in Ch. 72 that you noticed that would especially suggest her?
For reference: (using abbreviations)
1)Jes=king image
2)Nan=hooded man
3)Chach=woman with something akin to a helmet
4)Vev=hooded woman
5)Palah=woman with hair going all directions
6)Shash=woman with large jewel on forehead
7)Betab=woman with band around head, over hair
8)Kak=man with uncovered hair, long bangs
9)Tanat=helmed man
10)Ishi=old man with long beard
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It was the chapter that Jasnah admits she can soulcast without a soulcaster. My reasoning is that such an important admission by Jasnah must be accompanied with the Herald that established her order. So my theory is that she is part of the palah order, which makes sense as she is learned. EDIT: Palah also appears in chapter 5 when we first meet Jasnah and see her soulcast.
I have noticed that the primary attribute for an essence is the characteristic which defines a person that is in the order. E.g. Shallan is creative, Dalinar is a leader and Jasnah is learned.
The second attribute is usually what the bonded spren 'feeds on' in order to allow that person to use their powers. E.g. Shallan must give truth to the honesty spren and Dalinar started glowing after protecting his nephew and king.
I then wonder (assuming im not horribly wrong) what sort of spren would be synonymous with giving and what Jasnah would have to give up in order to soulcast.
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Giftspren or sacrificespren? If Shallan has to admit a truth to a truth or honesty spren, and Kaladin has to act with honor, I would think that the spren powering Jasnah would have to be attracted to some kind of selflessness. Like maybe to Soulcast she has to give a bit of knowledge precious to her.
Especially if Jasnah's interests in academia and learning and increasing her knowledge was not for personal gain or status (something that definitely seems in keeping with her character) but for the good of mankind. She's trying to find the truth about the Voidbringers, to protect humanity, discover who killed her father and why the Parshendi are now so hostile to humans...all things that don't benefit her personally, but she seeks to learn in order to give that knowledge to help everyone. A givingspren sounds about right to me.
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I still dont see why Jasnah cant just have the same spren as Shallan does, she could have to tell a truth as well, she does after all look for truth in history, and she seems very honest to herself and others. also do the things you say to the spren need to actually be true, or do you just have to believe it? and can you use them as a sort of magic eight ball?
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I still dont see why Jasnah cant just have the same spren as Shallan does, she could have to tell a truth as well, she does after all look for truth in history, and she seems very honest to herself and others. also do the things you say to the spren need to actually be true, or do you just have to believe it? and can you use them as a sort of magic eight ball?
I think just by thinking of the series, and that we know there are 10 orders of the knights Radiant, that it would not make sence for 2 of the main POV charachters to be of the same order.
I think Jasnah's coment could point to this, that she assumes Shallan is the same , of the Same order, but realizes that she isnt.
Jasnah frowned, taking the image. "You see beings like this? In Shadesmar?"
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Jasnah held up a hand. "These are a type of spren, Shallan. They are related to what you do." She tapped the desk softly. "Two orders of the Knights Radiant possessed inherent Soulcasting ability; it was based on their powers that the original fabrials were designed, I believe. I had assumed that you... But no, that obviously wouldn't make sense. I see now."
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Great now we have to analyze every single chapter.....starting with chapter 51! We're fairly sure at this point that Kaladin is associated with Jes. So why is chapter 51 headed with nothing but the image for the 2nd Herald? The unknown Herald of Nan? Hmmm
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Great now we have to analyze every single chapter.....starting with chapter 51! We're fairly sure at this point that Kaladin is associated with Jes. So why is chapter 51 headed with nothing but the image for the 2nd Herald? The unknown Herald of Nan? Hmmm
Actually, alot of Kaladin's chapters have Taln at the start. More so than Jezrien.
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Great now we have to analyze every single chapter.....starting with chapter 51! We're fairly sure at this point that Kaladin is associated with Jes. So why is chapter 51 headed with nothing but the image for the 2nd Herald? The unknown Herald of Nan? Hmmm
Actually, alot of Kaladin's chapters have Taln at the start. More so than Jezrien.
That's my point, we have to look at all of them now and figure out why.
And several chapters have more than one represented. I think Protecting/Leading fits Kal far more than Dependable/Resourceful, despite him being also being the latter.
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Yes I have been wondering the same thing. I think the key to understanding which order Kaladin is depends on which divine attribute closely resembles honour, for Kaladin's spren is an honourspren.
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Another common image for Kaladin is Vev, with the attributes Loving/Healing. Almost all of Kaladin's past scenes have her, as well as many of his present ones. She always seems to be in the chapter heading when Kaladin is trying to heal someone, or when his old surgeon side comes out.
Maybe sometimes a Herald image was chosen to match a quality or qualities being displayed in that chapter, which, in Kaladin's case, was healing.
Also, the most telling image for Kaladin's order specifically would have been the chapter "WORDS", where he says the Second Ideal specific and unique to his Radiant Order. In that chapter, it is Jezrien's image alone that appears, linking Kaladin with the 1st order and the attributes Protecting/Leading. (In fact, the words "I will protect those who cannot protect themselves" suggests the attribute of protecting for Kaladin's order.)
Thus, I would highly suspect that Kaladin is of the 1st order.
Of course, the question now is, what common thread runs through those Kaladin chapters where Talenel's image appears? (as healing runs through most of the Vev chapters)
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I believe that she may be also connected to Kaladin's Dad, who is more fitted for the order of Vev than Kaladin is, though in the old days he was more suited to Vev as well, so it can go wither way. Maybe people can change orders as they change as a person.
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I think just by thinking of the series, and that we know there are 10 orders of the knights Radiant, that it would not make sence for 2 of the main POV charachters to be of the same order.
so we can reasonably assume that Szeth and Kaladin are in different orders? the ars arcanum does mention that windrunners used two orders of surgebinding
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I think just by thinking of the series, and that we know there are 10 orders of the knights Radiant, that it would not make sence for 2 of the main POV charachters to be of the same order.
so we can reasonably assume that Szeth and Kaladin are in different orders? the ars arcanum does mention that windrunners used two orders of surgebinding
actually it said: The Windrunners were an order of the Knights Radiant, and they made use of two primary types of Surgebinding.
Pretty sure all the Windrunners are of the same Order(1st). I think the mechanic for using Stormlight differs between Orders. Jes's Body Focus is "Inhalation" which is how both Szeth and Kaladin absorb Stormlight.
That said, I don't see how the body focus applies to the bit of Soulcasting we've seen from Jasnah and Shallan.
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Merely guesses, but seems to me that...
Shallan is probably connected to Shalash, number 6 with the focus and essence being blood- she enters Shadesmar first right after she sheds her own blood- and is creative and honest
Jasnah is probably connected to number 5 Palah (as was stated earlier), she has some connection to hair, as she does have the Royal Locks, pure-bred Alethi hair, and is very learned, and we'll probably see her become very giving with her knowledge...
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So couldthe two types of surgebindings used by windrunners be just inhaling it and using it to strengthen their bodies, and then exhaling it or somehow using it to do the lashings?
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Sorry, I didn't post the whole thing.
The Windrunners were an order of the Knights Radiant, and they made use of two primary types of Surgebinding. The effects of these Surgebindings were known—colloquially among the members of the order—as the Three Lashings.
The two types are Basic and Full Lashings, and Reverse Lashing is just a specialized version of Basic, it says.
Some of the other Orders might do the inhaling Stormlight trick too, or maybe they can learn it, but they just aren't as good at it as Windrunners. Lashings/Surgebinding seem to be limited only a few Orders (could it be only Windrunners?)
“Our own natures destroy us,” the regal man said, voice soft, though his face was angry. “Alakavish was a Surgebinder. He should have known better. And yet, the Nahel bond gave him no more wisdom than a regular man. Alas, not all spren are as discerning as honorspren.”
So, Alakavish was a Surgebinder with a spren, but not an honorspren? Nohadon's book led to the creation of the Orders of Knights Radiant, which is interesting just by itself. I've got to wonder if the Almighty or the Heralds somehow affected the book.
I think Dustbringers might be Chach, since its Soulcasting property is Fire.
We're getting a bit far off-topic now though, maybe we should move this to another thread. There's no lack of Spren/Knights Radiants threads.
On topic: Do you think it's safe to assume that any Herald in the chapter picture either features in the chapter, or that characters featured in the chapter demonstrate/embody some aspect for which the Herald(s) is/are known? Or maybe just any Heraldic association that's listed on the chart in the Ars Arcanum?
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It is interesting looking at the relationship between the Knights and the WoK book (in the book - this is going to get confusing)
So the 10 orders obviously existed before the book, as they were established by the 10 heralds based on the 10 elements created most likely by the Almighty. But prior to WoK (again in the book) there may have been lacking a proper moral code. They would've had their mottos (though its not certain) that Kaladin spoke near the end of the book. Other than that, they would have no guide, which probably led to a number of problems, hinted at by Nohadon. So he wrote the book as a guide for all rulers, but it was adopted also by the knights radiant.
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I'm willing to bet Elhokar's associated with Zircon/Betab. Wise/Careful -- we'll eventually see Wise when he starts showing the potential Dalinar's always talking about him having. But paranoia's about as careful as it gets.
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Hi all! First post here. I figured I'd post my table that maps each chapter's heralds to attributes (thanks to work in this thread!). I'm using it to analyze each chapter.
(sorry for the format it seems I can't post html tables)
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Chapter Symbol Herald Name 1 Attribute 1 Attribute 2 Herald Name 2 Attribute 1 Attribute 2
Prologue Szeth Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading
1 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
2 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing
3 Shallan Shalash Creative Honest Shalash Creative Honest
4 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Ishar Pious Guiding
5 Shallan Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving
6 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
7 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Ishar Pious Guiding
8 Shallan Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving
9 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Nalan Just Confident
10 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing
11 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading
I-1 Almighty Hoid ? ? Hoid ? ?
I-2 Almighty Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder
I-3 Szeth Shalash Creative Honest Shalash Creative Honest
12 Dalinar Hoid ? ? Jezrien Protecting Leading
13 Dalinar Jezrien Protecting Leading Chach? Brave Obedient
14 Kaladin Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Jezrien Protecting Leading
15 Dalinar Chach? Brave Obedient Jezrien Protecting Leading
16 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Vev Loving Healing
17 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
18 Dalinar Betab? Wise Careful Betab? Wise Careful
19 Dalinar Vev Loving Healing Jezrien Protecting Leading
20 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing
21 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
22 Dalinar Hoid ? ? Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder
23 Kaladin Ishar Pious Guiding Vev Loving Healing
24 Dalinar Jezrien Protecting Leading Chach? Brave Obedient
25 Kaladin Betab? Wise Careful Nalan Just Confident
26 Dalinar Jezrien Protecting Leading Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
27 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
28 Dalinar Palah? Learned Giving Jezrien Protecting Leading
I-4 Almighty Betab? Wise Careful Betab? Wise Careful
I-5 Almighty Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving
I-6 Szeth Nalan Just Confident Nalan Just Confident
29 Shallan Shalash Creative Honest Palah? Learned Giving
30 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
31 Kaladin Chach? Brave Obedient Vev Loving Healing
32 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
33 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Palah? Learned Giving
34 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Nalan Just Confident
35 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading
36 Shallan Vev Loving Healing Palah? Learned Giving
37 Kaladin Palah? Learned Giving Vev Loving Healing
38 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Vev Loving Healing
39 Shallan Nalan Just Confident Shalash Creative Honest
40 Kaladin Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
41 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Vev Loving Healing
42 Shallan Palah? Learned Giving Ishar Pious Guiding
43 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
44 Kaladin Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Vev Loving Healing
45 Shallan Shalash Creative Honest Palah? Learned Giving
46 Kaladin Chach? Brave Obedient Jezrien Protecting Leading
47 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
48 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Ishar Pious Guiding
49 Kaladin Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
50 Shallan Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing
51 Kaladin Nalan Just Confident Nalan Just Confident
I-7 Almighty Shalash Creative Honest Shalash Creative Honest
I-8 Almighty Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving
I-9 Szeth Nalan Just Confident Jezrien Protecting Leading
52 Dalinar Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Jezrien Protecting Leading
53 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Vev Loving Healing
54 Dalinar Nalan Just Confident Hoid ? ?
55 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
56 Dalinar Chach? Brave Obedient Jezrien Protecting Leading
57 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Hoid ? ?
58 Dalinar Betab? Wise Careful Jezrien Protecting Leading
59 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder
60 Dalinar Palah? Learned Giving Jezrien Protecting Leading
61 Dalinar Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
62 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
63 Kaladin Chach? Brave Obedient Kalak/Kelek Resolute Builder
64 Dalinar Betab? Wise Careful Talenelat Dependable Resourceful
65 Dalinar Nalan Just Confident Chach? Brave Obedient
66 Dalinar Nalan Just Confident Vev Loving Healing
67 Kaladin Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading
68 Dalinar Betab? Wise Careful Chach? Brave Obedient
69 Dalinar Nalan Just Confident Shalash Creative Honest
70 Shallan Betab? Wise Careful Shalash Creative Honest
71 Szeth Nalan Just Confident Vev Loving Healing
72 Shallan Palah? Learned Giving Palah? Learned Giving
73 Kaladin Vev Loving Healing Jezrien Protecting Leading
74 Shallan Ishar Pious Guiding Palah? Learned Giving
75 Dalinar Jezrien Protecting Leading Jezrien Protecting Leading
Epilogue Almighty Talenelat Dependable Resourceful Hoid ? ?
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Just reading this list makes my head spin. Can anyone see any patterns so far? I think a summary of each chapter will be needed to discern the use of most of the heralds.
At least the use of Hoid is obvious. :D
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Yup. I'm working on it. Really though it'd be great if there were a wiki here to contribute to so we could all analyze it together.
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Yup. I'm working on it. Really though it'd be great if there were a wiki here to contribute to so we could all analyze it together.
Like this? http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/Stormlight_Archive_Wiki
Or we could use Google docs.
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It's up on the stormlight archive wiki. It's a bit big and unwieldy as I merged in some other info I found to speed the analysis but it should work.
http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/Heralds_in_Chapter_Titles
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I've finished a first cut of all chapters and highlighted any strange heralds (as compared to the plot of each chapter). Please take a look and improve!
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It looks good. I especially like the idea of a herald being linked some way to the Ghostbloods.
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Also I copied the inside cover to use to identify the symbol/color/picture for each Herald for easier reference and identified soulcasting since that's the one we know must be shared between Jasnah and Shallan.
http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/File:Heralds.jpg
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Sweet. It's a stretch, but there are also ten countries on the map next to it, vaguely set up like the Heralds on the first map. any connections?
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I have been tending to think that the heralds corresponded to the other symbol map on the back, i thought the one on the front always looked more voidbringer-esque with the whole big scary face behind it and all
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Sweet. It's a stretch, but there are also ten countries on the map next to it, vaguely set up like the Heralds on the first map. any connections?
I don't *think* so. However your comment made me think of the background of the picture which looks like two dragons mirrored but also reminds me of the cymatic drawings of the towns. Could the background be the shape of the city of Urithiru? *wild speculation*
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On I-1 and ch. 12 the guy with the mask--is that confirmed to be Hoid?
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On I-1 and ch. 12 the guy with the mask--is that confirmed to be Hoid?
Who else could it possibly be?
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Good point :P
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The portraits do not necessarily represent how anyone actually looks. They're more idealized, in-world carved stone art.
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The portraits do not necessarily represent how anyone actually looks. They're more idealized, in-world carved stone art.
So....you're saying someone made a stonework carving of Hoid? I wonder why...
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Also I copied the inside cover to use to identify the symbol/color/picture for each Herald for easier reference and identified soulcasting since that's the one we know must be shared between Jasnah and Shallan.
http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/File:Heralds.jpg
Might I suggest that we know one other besides Soulcasting? In ch. 19--Dalinar's first vision--we see these two things:
~Pg. 303
Dalinar lurched, turning to see a woman in delicate Shardplate kneeling beside him holding something bright. It was topaz entwined with a heliodor, both set into a fine metal framework, each stone as big as a man's hand.
Topaz and Heliodor are Taln and Ishi, which would mean that connecting the two of them ends up with the Shardbearing girl's ability:
~Pg. 306
"Lady Knight, could you heal him again?"
"I should save Regrowth for others who might be wounded."
Which would make the top left small circle Regrowth.
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Aha! Yes, I agree that that's another form of the Almighty's powerful Capitilization magic.
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Are we sure she isn't soulcasting? The essences for Topaz and Heliodor are Bone and Flesh. Jasnah says that when soulcasting, it is really easy to make an essence. Thus, it should be really easy to soulcast bone and flesh, especially with stones that big. Considering Jasnah soulcast Shallan's blood, might this be a soulcasting capability as well?
That brings up another question:
Can Jasnah or Shallan potentially perform this same feat?
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I would have thought Vev would be the order that healed.
In addition, maybe Hoid has visited Roshar in the past. Maybe he was there during the Last desolation, or when the way of kings was written? At that time his sculpture was made, for they realised Hoid had some secret power.
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I would have thought Vev would be the order that healed.
In addition, maybe Hoid has visited Roshar in the past. Maybe he was there during the Last desolation, or when the way of kings was written? At that time his sculpture was made, for they realised Hoid had some secret power.
That's an awesome realization if true. It seems likely enough—Hoid's got a grudge against Rayse and Bavadin, after all.
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We recently received another piece to the puzzle of deciphering the Knights Radiant orders.
See Brandon Sanderson interview:
http://www.17thshard.com/forum/index.php/topic,324.0.html
In his interview, he states that each order has 2 powers, and each power is shared by 2 orders. The small glyphs in the front cover signify the powers. Thus, it is adjacent orders that share specific powers.
Thus, with Shallan being order Shash, Jasnah could only possibly be Palah, Shash, or Betab. Since her personality eliminates Shash, that leaves only Palah or Betab, which are the two possible orders put forth for her earlier.
This also forces Kaladin and Szeth to be in the same, or adjacent, orders.