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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: January 04, 2007, 05:36:04 AM »
Can anyone answer amy's question about Blushweaver?

I assumed it was a combination of genuine jealousy/cattiness and, well, if I saw an Idrian Princess frequently chatting up one of the Returned Gods who happened to have the command words for part of the Lifeless armies, I'd certainly be worried that said Princess was trying to manipulate the Returned God into doing something not in the best interest of Hallandren.  Especially if I was the Returned Goddess who'd been quietly trying to gather control of the Lifeless armies myself to further my own plans (and indeed seemed to be one of the driving forces behind the conflict) and didn't want a chief ally to be suborned by the enemy.  But that's just speculation.

Blushweaver does get my vote as likeliest employer of Denth, though it sounds like we'll find out soon enough what's going on there.  I also have to wonder whether Siri and Vivenna's father isn't going to have some surprise role by the end of the story: he's been way too quiet.

Edit: as far as Denth and Vivenna's hands...it seemed to me that Denth was seriously panicking by then (witness Peprin) so not sure he would have noticed her hands.  I am hoping that why Denth loses his cool to the degree that he does will be explained...either in terms of what they were doing with Vivenna/what he thought happened, or just as a character trait, is he someone who freaks out when his plans go awry?

I'm also still trying to figure out why they tortured the parrot...that was just so wrong.  :o

MattD

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Movies and TV / Re: The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe
« on: January 02, 2007, 09:16:41 PM »
But Tolkien went to the other extreme with his world building.  His books are excellent in part because of his extensive world building.  But would it have been cool if he'd spent a little less time on his extensive histories and grammars and instead written another book.  He did start one that had the Lord of the Nazgul surviving the fall of Sauron and returning as the new Dark Lord.  But he only made it about a chapter.

Do you remember where you read/heard this?  I know in the Letters book he mentions he dabbled with a story set after LotR where kids played at being in Orc cults and such, but he stopped because he basically didn't think there was anything more to tell in that world.

There is the Children of Hurin book coming out this year.

With regards to Narnia (getting back on track) I always liked the admittedly odd inclusion of Father Christmas and the like.  Especially reading the book when I was younger, I remember really thinking that the sleigh chasing the children must be the witch, and to have it then be Father Christmas...it was precisely the sort of "wow" moment that can make fantasy, where anything can happen, special.

I can understand Tolkien's criticism, but it also strikes me as ironic given that it was the cross-pollination of his Middle Earth mythologies (themselves based on several mythological sources) into the children's fantasy of The Hobbit that led to The Lord of the Rings.

MattD

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That part is explained by the Dor attacks. The bursts of pain were caused by the Dor buildup due to Raoden practicing all those Aons. All those almost-spells caused a slow buildup of unspent power looking for an outlet.

I'm not sure I buy this since Galladon practiced Aons as well -- before Raoden, even -- unless there's something else I'm missing.  I do think the ultimate answer to both of our questions is, as you said, that things sometimes work a little differently for Heroes -- and that authors and editors both may let some things slide where they're concerned, at times intentionally and at times unintentionally, and hope reader imagination fills in the gap.  But yes, you're not the only person to notice such things when reading!

As far as the blow to Raoden's head...well, I imagine there were two components: the physical injury and resulting pain plus the psychological shock of the blow and his focus of attention on it.  Since we're in Raoden's POV, it's possible that he, due to the shock, was simply overstating things: he didn't think the dizziness would ever leave at the time that it happened, couldn't imagine it leaving when he was concentrating solely on it.  When other important tasks came to occupy his mind, however, he was able to master the dizziness -- and to the extent it was psychological rather than physical, it may have faded to a degree as well.  In other words, yes, we're told things, but the narrative voice may not be 100% reliable as it is grounded in a single character and their current understanding of the situation.

After all, the book begins by telling us that Raoden "had been damned for all eternity," which turned out to be not precisely true, either.

MattD

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: December 28, 2006, 06:28:04 PM »
I wonder, is this turn of events (in the last few chapters) with Vivenna too clichéd?  I've seen some things like this occasionally in books, but I went ahead and did it anyway because it really seemed to fit what I wanted for her character.

Do you mean Vivenna's general riches-to-rags transformation, her crisis of faith, and/or the betrayal?

I think that fantasy is always a high wire act of balancing archetypes without falling into clichés.  If you have a character who is a Princess and you want her to change and grow, well, you can send her to another country with different customs (check), and/or either she moves upward in social station and becomes a Queen (like Siri) or she has to fall down the social ladder somewhat (like Vivenna).  I don't think any of those are clichés: they're all at their heart primal situations that many readers will be familiar with from their own lives.  Likewise with matters of trust and betrayal, likewise with questions of certainty and faith.  Clichés come in more with the details of those situations and how your characters deal with them.  The Siri/Susebron chapters have actually felt more in danger of falling into cliché than the Vivenna chapters to me so far, but I can't really judge either until I see how the story ends.

MattD

P.S. One more small continuity thing: in chapter 38, Lightsong says that the Lifeless squirrel Vasher used in Mercystar's dwelling has had its blood replaced with ichor-alcohol; this contradicts what was said in chapter 24, where it is said "it had blood instead of ichor alcohol."

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This ties in with a question I remember having when reading the book.  Raoden experiences the pain of being an Elantrian differently than all other denizens of the city: in short debilitating bursts rather than constant low-level pain.  I had considered the idea that it might just be a matter of psychology, of Raoden's activity level drowning out the pain most of the time, but too many details and bits of dialogue seemed to argue against that.  Did I miss an explanation of why Raoden was different?

MattD

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: December 24, 2006, 04:27:29 PM »
How's this for some  far-out speculation: Lightsong uses his breath to heal Susebron's tongueless state, and Susebron weighs in on the Idrian side of the war.   :)

If you take a look at page 11 of this thread, you'll see user joevans3 had the same thought, which we kicked the tires on a bit.

I did notice in the recent chapter how it was casually mentioned that Susebron has the command codes for the Lifeless armies (although I'd wonder whether the priests would really tell him).

As far as the Denth/Vivenna question...it certainly would be a little more dramatic if Denth is not aware that Vivenna knows the command code for Clod.  However, it's also believable to me that in the obvious chaos and panic of their search for Vivenna, they simply wouldn't think to change the code, especially given Vivenna's "I want nothing to do with them" attitude toward the Lifeless.  If Vivenna can covertly overhear the command code without it feeling forced or contrived, so much then the better; but it is not to my tastes necessary.  The nice thing about the idea of Vivenna covertly overhearing something is that some hints could be dropped at the same time about other mysteries -- who is Clod, why is Jewels so connected to him, etc. -- and in that way camouflage the importance of Vivenna hearing the command code.

MattD

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: December 18, 2006, 04:57:09 AM »
This is true...  I wonder what they're going to do now that he's been used against them...

That reminds me, one small continuity thing I noticed with the last chapter: Denth seems surprised that Vivenna knows the command phrase for Clod, but he and Tonk Fah were both there when Jewels used it in front of Vivenna a few chapters previous.

MattD

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I'd sure get some weird looks reading MB2 on the subway with that cover...

And I think it'll be quite a shock for people who buy the paperback MB1 and then see that...

...but I like it, nonetheless.

MattD

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: December 17, 2006, 03:53:11 PM »
As annoying as it might be to us conspiracy nuts, it's also possible that Denth was simply lying (or least least being misdirecting) about Clod.

MattD

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: December 16, 2006, 09:31:58 PM »
As far as Lightsong goes, my only new speculation is that, with reference to his dreams of ships and a woman, we learn in Chapter 33 that the First Returned was a sailor and that he had a wife.  Of course, that was hundreds of years ago...

MattD

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: December 16, 2006, 09:06:35 PM »
From Chapter 19:

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“Vasher,” Tonk Fah said.  “Killed a good friend of ours over in Yarn Dred a couple months back.  Denth used to have four people in his team.”
   “It shouldn’t have happened,” Jewels said.  “Arsteel was a brilliant duelist--almost as good as Denth himself.  Vasher’s never been able to beat either of them.  But, Arsteel died with a dueling blade through the chest.”

The "Lightsong as Arsteel" idea had been my initial hypothesis, too, but when I read this I knew it wouldn't work.

My next thought had been that Clod was Arsteel, that they had paid to have him made into a Lifeless after his death -- they seem to only have had Clod for a little while, there seems to be a connection between Jewels and Clod, and Clod is a better than average fighter.  But in Chapter 35, Denth says "considering what we paid for this guy, he’d better have been quite the soldier in life" -- indicating that they don't know who he is/was.  I wonder...

MattD

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I really don't have a problem with the buildings or anything as far as the artwork goes--like we said above, it is reminiscent of some artwork on children's fantasy.

In light of past comments ("I just really, really, really want to emphasize that this doesn't look AT ALL like a kids' book to me. At all.") that is one of the more gratifying "we"'s that I can remember being part of in recent memory.  ;)

Re: your comment about "teen girl on the cover usually means it's aimed at teen girls"...I don't like Vin's face either on the new cover, but I wonder if the publisher doesn't exactly mind if Vin looks a little androgynous for this very reason, in the hope of attracting both (or at least not alienating either) male and female readers.  That seems to me to be the theme of the cover, really.  The look of the hardcover said "here's a fantasy that's a little edgy and different" which is the kind of thing that will appeal to many hardcover buyers.  The paperback seems to be striving to be more inclusive towards ages, genders, etc. -- which is after all a trait of EUOL's work -- and to project a "if you like Harry Potter [a similarly inclusive work], you might like this" message.  I don't like the paperback cover as much as a work of art, but if that is the reasoning behind it I can understand it and hope that it brings EUOL more readers.

MattD

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Warbreaker: Free Ebook
« on: December 14, 2006, 09:17:42 PM »
Wow indeed.  That was interesting -- I did not see it coming!

It is fun being thrown a curveball like that, the thrill that comes from uncertainty about where the story is going.  I'm not sure what to make of the change of tone, but will wait and see what the next few chapters bring...

MattD

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I'm no great fan of the paperback cover (indeed, it may drive me to buy the book in hardcover, which I'm sure neither the publisher nor EUOL would mind), but I do think there are distinctions that should be made between how accurately the cover depicts a scene from the book, how well the cover represents the feel and tone of the book, and how well the cover helps sell the book to those who haven't read it.  Of the three I would suggest that the first is the least important.

MattD

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It looks to me like they're trying to make the cover appeal to a younger audience -- the colors and composition are more Harry Potter-esque, the lightning says "magic" more obviously than the hardcover, and things like crows and the reaper dude are a more amorphous way of signaling threat and danger than the somewhat scary-looking face on the hardback.

The reasoning behind the change seems kind of sketchy -- surely they would have thought of this (edit: that the cloth cover wouldn't work well in paperback) when deciding on the original cover?  I wonder if instead they have demographic data that might indicate that Mistborn isn't doing as well among certain groups like younger readers as Elantris did (do you know?), or have gotten comments that the cover is scary, etc.  Or maybe it's just that paperbacks appeal to a broader  range of readers?

MattD

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