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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Ten Focus Characters of the 10 SA Books
« on: October 06, 2010, 01:49:08 AM »
Brandon said that we've already met each of the viewpoint characters, and that he's not sure if the next book is going to be a Dalinar book or a Shallan book. 
I'm just glad that means Dalinar will be alive in book 3.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 06, 2010, 01:45:00 AM »
There's no way they did all this to get one Shardsuit. It was not the goal, a goal, or even something they were hoping for.

I don't think anyone thinks they killed Gavilar for the Blade and Plate.  But just because they have their own sets, doesn't mean they wouldn't also like another set.  Also, as someone else said, they could have checked on Szeth's handiwork and noticed the Blade and then took the Blade.  That's not my personal theory (I like the Shallan idea), but I do think is a valid theory.

And even if the set Dalinar won on the plains was given to Elhokar to give to whoever he wanted, it still doesn't answer where Gavilar's set is now.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 05, 2010, 09:19:50 PM »
Why would the Parshendi Shardbearer have Gavilar's Blade/Plate? The book mentions that the Parshendi had their own Shardbearers, so when we finally meet one, why do we assume it's not just a "regular" Shardbearer?
Because the Parshendi had Gavilar killed and we don't know where his Plate or Blade are, hence this whole thread.

But the description of the Parshendi Blade, at least the one at the end on pg 903 is:
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His Shardblade was wicked and barbed, like flames frozen into metal.

So since Shallon's blade is "silvery" and so is Gavilar's, that the best evidence so far they could be the same Blade. No other adjectives have been used for multiple Blades except that all Blades besides Szeth's are about 6ft long.

As far as I can remember, Dalinar only captured one set of Parshendi Shardplate, which he gave to Elhokar to divvy up. Dalinar didn't give it to Elhokar, but let him decide who got it, to honor him as king. Elhokar gave it out, we don't know where. The other Highprinces don't bother sending their captured Shards to the king, but give them to their own men, something Dalinar later decided to do with Renarin.

If you had read the quotes I linked earlier in this thread, you'd see that the actual passages related to those things are ambiguous as to if Dalinar gave a set of Blade and Plate to Elhokar to keep or to use.

As Erunion pointed out though, Elhokar could have already had his own set of Plate and Blade before Gavilar died, but just because Dalinar and Gavilar defeated the other Alethi shardbearers does not neccessarily mean they killed the other shardbearers.  They were fighting other Alethi after all with the goal of uniting all the Alethi.  That would be hard to do if they went around taking all the Alethi Blades and Plate.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 05, 2010, 08:46:44 PM »
Stormblessed, Dalinar gives Elhokar two sets of plate and blade captured from the parshendi.

Where are you getting that from?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 05, 2010, 02:52:15 PM »
Crazy theory time: If Elhokar's Blade and Plate aren't from Gavilar, then Shallan has Gavilar's Blade. Someone from her father's organisation happened on the king's body, stole his Blade while it sat there, and made off with it. Then the Blade made it's way into Shallan's dad's hands, and then Shallan. Heck, maybe Shallan's dad happened on Gavilar's body.

Dalinar and the rest of the Alethi thought the Assassin in White took the Blade, but didn't have the time to steal the Plate.

Does Elhokar's plate match the description of Gavilar's? It might be that Elhokar got his dad's Plate, but no Blade, and when Dalinar gave him the Parshendi Plate and Blade, Elhokar took the Blade and passed on the Plate (to Sadeas?).

I don't know. I can't remember all the descriptions of the Plate, or if Sadeas had his Plate the whole time.


But Shallan's Blade is Gavilar's. If Elhokar doesn't have it.

</crazy theory>

You might be onto something since both are described as "silvery".

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 05, 2010, 02:08:59 PM »
But if Gavilar had time to put his on, I think Sadeas would too.  He could have met up with Gavilar even if his Plate wasn't in the same place.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 05, 2010, 01:39:27 PM »
The reason why I thought Sadeas might have it is because if he had Plate when Szeth was attacking Gavilar, it would have made more sense for Sadeas and Gavilar to face Szeth together and have someone else be the decoy.  Sadeas was one of the first ones to find Gavilar and could have been given the Plate as a reward.  However, I find that unlikely, so maybe the Parshendi and/or Shallon's dad took it.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 04, 2010, 06:57:06 PM »
One more quote pg 282
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"None of the other highprinces give up their spoils to the king," Dalinar said. "And who would fault me if, for once, I made a gift to my son?"

So in response to Galavantes, spoils does not necessarily mean Plate and Blades.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 04, 2010, 06:46:41 PM »
Description of Elhokar's sword pg 203 hardcover
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his Shardblade - Sunraiser - springing from mist into his hand. It was long and thin with a large crossguard, and was etched up the sides with the ten fundamental glyphs.

Description of Gavilar's sword pg 29 hardcover
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The newcomer carried a sword as well, an enormous Shardblade six feet long with a design along the blade like burning flames, a weapon of silvery metal that gleamed and almost seemed to glow.

Description of the set Dalinar won pg 281 hardover
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He'd given both to Elhokar to award to a warrior he felt would be the most useful to Alethkar and the war effort.

I guess to me the problem with the quote is who "he" is.  I read it as "he" being Dalinar, but I can also see "he" being Elhokar.  As in, Dalinar feels Elhokar is the warrior who is most useful to Alethkar.  Also the different descriptions of the blades makes it seem like they are different blades.  Obviously the glyphs could look like burning flames, but I believe the descriptions being different is intentional. Would Szeth describe glyphs as a "design like burning flames"?  Although the more I reread the quote about the set Dalinar won, the more it does seem like "he" refers to Elhokar so that could answer my question right there.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 04, 2010, 04:09:05 PM »
I'm pretty sure it said he gave it to Elhokar to use, at least that's the way I read the passage.  I'll have to find the quote at a latter date.  I could see Dalinar giving Elhokar a set to use, but not to give to someone else.  Dalinar would want to reward his own lieutenants rather than let Elhokar decide who should get it.  That was even discussed with Renarin when he said he'd give Renarin a set next.

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Brandon Sanderson / Gavilier (spoiler)
« on: October 04, 2010, 01:10:55 PM »
Does anyone know what happened to his shardplate and shardblade?  We know Szeth didn't take it. Dalinar has had his set since he was young, Adolin got his from his mother's side, Elhonkar got his from Dalinar at the beginning of the plains war, so what happened to Gavilier's set?  My guess is Sadeas might have gotten the plate and the blade was given to someone else, but why wasn't it given to Elhonkar?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: *Spoilers* General Shard List
« on: October 01, 2010, 11:50:27 PM »
There's no way the letter is written to or from Sazed, since the addressee is called "old friend".

Why not?  We know Mistborn happened before WoK, presumably a long time ago.  Old is relative and Hoid could have been friends with Sazed for awhile.

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And Hoid did help out all of Sazeds native people, so it would make sense that they would become friends, but it doesnt explain why sazed is dissapointed in Hoid, or why he has people chasing him.

Agreed.  But we really have no idea why anyone would be disappointed in Hoid.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: *Spoilers* General Shard List
« on: October 01, 2010, 03:30:30 PM »
The Ruin/Preservation shard/s that Sazed now holds could be the "17th shard".  Originally there were 16, but now 2 are combined into one.  Hoid could be writing to Sazed.  Although that doesn't explain how Sazed has buddies speaking Dula or why they want to find Hoid.

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Ati was once a kind and generous man, and you saw what became of him. Rayse, on the other hand, was among the most loathsome, crafty, and dangerous individuals I had ever met.

Sazed wouldn't know what Ati was like before he held Ruin, but he would have seen the effects.  Also, Hoid (or whoever wrote the letter), describes the other shard holders which seems to suggest the recipient of the letter might not know what they used to be like.  He also describes what happened to Aona and Skai which someone on Scadrial might not know about.  Also, I would guess Sazed would be all about non intervention after seeing what the Lord Ruler tried to do.  It seems like Hoid and Sazed could have known each other for a long time and be old friends.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Shattered Plain War Questions (Possible Spoilers)
« on: October 01, 2010, 03:51:55 AM »
I don't know.  I guess I'm just having trouble comprehending how the bridges and bridgemen survive even ONE assault when in every other piece of fantasy I've ever read and assault like that would fail spectacularly.  As I said before, this is the one thing about the book that is causing me to pull my hair out in frustration.

I don't think there would be enough time for the fire thing to work.  The Parshendi get off 1-2 volleys before the bridge is laid down I think.  So even if they were hit, I don't think they'd easily catch on fire.  They don't have sails or anything easily flammable.  It's thick wood.  I would guess it would be easy to put out a fire on the bridge.  Also, in the "bad" runs, they lost 5 out of 20 bridges, which is probably around 150 bridgemen or something which is at least 300 arrows fired (guessing here) and they only have 1-2 tries (I think).  So it seems like bridgemen should be able to survive imo.


2 thoughts I have though:  
We know the Parshendi provoked the Alethi but we have no idea why.  They seemed to have planned the fight on the plains.  It could be that they are just giving the Alethi enough resistance so that the Alethi keep fighting, but for whatever reason they don't actually want to win.  Breaking the treaty makes no sense with all the information we've been given.  I feel like the Parshendi wanted this long drawn out war for some reason.  They want the Alethi where they are.  If it was too hard for the Alethi, they might not keep fighting, but they could get suspicious if it was too easy.  I think the Parshedi are giving just enough resistance to keep going.  Although they really don't want to lose the tower, ever, which is why they always bring more people there.  Also, once Dalinar and Sadeas joined up, they brought more men to even the match. It really doesn't seem like the Parshendi are trying to "win", just stall.

Has anyone seen the Parshendi burn the bridges? Or do they just assume it was them?  Could something else want it to not be super easy for the Alethi so they burn just enough bridges to make them work building new ones?  With all the scouts searching for the chasmfiends, which we know they still do at night, how has no one seen the Parshendi burning the bridges (or have they and I missed that?)

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: King Tavarangian (WOK Spoilers!!!)
« on: September 23, 2010, 01:37:33 AM »
I think Tavarangian is the leader of the Seventeenth Shard and the recipient of Hoid's letter.

Definitely not.  Think back to the letter. 

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He holds one of the most frightening and terrible of all of the Shards.  Ponder on that for a time, you old reptile, and tell me if your insistence of nonintervention holds firm.  Because I assure you, Rayse will not be similarly inhibited.  (pp 295)

I'd certainly say that what Tavarangian is doing is pretty damn involved in events, which completely contradicts Hoid's complaint about the addressee not intervening. 

Good point, I think you are probably correct.  There is still a chance Hoid might not know about Tavarangian killing people and so doesn't realize Tavarangian is no longer a noninterventionalist, but that doesn't work as well as I once thought.

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