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Ooh. Ninjas (Drool.)

Uh oh. I'm a discovery writer too, so I know what it a pain it is. But with so many characters and such a big, well-defined world...uh, well, I hope you have at least a general road-map of where you're going.

Hmm. Magical sex radiation death, huh? That could be interesting.

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I haven't seen the first two versions, so my comments are fresh.

Love the first line. Except maybe it's a bit too long in the attribution. By weighing down the last part with details like "southern accent" I think you reduce the punch of the first part.

I hate it when people drop in equipment names without descriptors. I'd rather at least see, "cradling the hard, black barrel of his TAR-15" so it will at least hint it's a rifle, and not a nuclear bomb 0r something. Same with the suits later. I don't really get a sense of what they are, do. I'm especially interested in the Whisper suit. Too many rapid-fire equip names. I'm not going to be able keep track of them.

Good job of introducing chars. Great that they all have their own quirks.

I don't like multiple punctuation ?!  I really like the idea of being able to set your emotions in advance.

I'd like to see a little more description of the setting. What does Nebraska look like in the future? Nuclear wasteland? Covered with wires? What?

Dead head needs more description of its appearance earlier. Not quite clear what the leechers are, either.

Love the dialogue.

Great description of the breaching.

In terms of physics, I think it'd be unlikely that the gas vapors would be thick enough to ignite off a bullet sparking metal. And why isn't Escobar's suit flame-retardant? Seems like they'd really want that as a feature.

Why would it be easy to push down anger, if anger is in the dead head's cocktail?

I'm a little confused at the ending, probably because I was never exactly clear what a leecher was. I thought it was like emp-ing, but I guess not since Jimmy did that to Black before his suit blew up. I disagree with Erik, though. It hit all the right notes for me on an emotional level and I didn't think you needed to go into it more.

There are some small punctuation errors here and there. Things like "tale-tell" instead of "tell-tale." I can go over them if you want, if you're submitting this somewhere soon.

I worry about the length. 13,000 words is a lot for a short story from an unknown author. I think you could cut down some of the beginning stuff, like parts of the Spook's speech and the equip check. You spent about a sixth of your words on build-up.

Good stuff. Great stuff. I liked it a lot. Short stories are hard to get published, but I hope you get this one out there somewhere. It's close to ready to being sent out, I think.

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Catching up...Busy few weeks.

I second most of everything said. It's too slow. It's worldbuilding, and so far, I don't know how this fits into the overarching plot. I'd like to see an outline of your story from beginning to end so I could see how this is building to some kind of...something. Some main climax and conflict that brings all your characters together. As I see it, it's a lot of background that could probably be summed up later in a "Jin has nightmares from his time as a pit-boy" type of flashback thing.

I also have problems with your characters. Their emotions seem to flicker and change too fast with no build-up. Much of the time, I find myself confused about why a character says and thinks and acts a certain way. I just don't have a grasp on who they are as people, possibly because I missed some chapters, but it seems like much of the time the characters behave/emote in ways I wouldn't expect. Jin seems to act a lot younger than I believe he actually is. I pointed it out once in the marked-up version I emailed to you, but there are other places, too.

I'm not a fan of Burm's dialect, but I don't hate it. Which is saying something, since I usually hate all character dialects.

I like Jin and Candy's discussion. It feels authentic.

I've noticed you have a problem with "passed" and past." Passed is the past-tense verb, while "past" is a descriptor. Also with than and then. Than is comparative. Then is a time thing.

The ending to the chapter makes me want to read on. I would be annoyed as a reader if she just goes and saves him after a chapter end like that, so I hope she doesn't.

I had a few more comments I stuffed into the marked-up version I emailed you. Economically, I wonder if the slave structure of your society is sound. Jalean won't make much money if all her slaves are all killed in fights. Even the Romans usually let their gladiators hang around for a few bouts, and the Aztecs only managed to get so many slaves to sacrifice by constant war and conquest. I wonder how new boys ever get sponsors if they don't have arms to start with.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Feb 8 - The Sword of Worlds CH 21 - Kail
« on: February 11, 2010, 02:15:58 PM »
Yeah, I meant shirt but typed shirt. I guess Y.A. must have sure changed since when I was a kid.

Eh, I understand about the oath. It's just, since the book is titled Oathbreaker, that means that your readers are going to be scrutinizing the oath pretty heavy, I think. So I was expecting something a little more...hmm, I'm looking for the right word but the closest thing I can think of is...dramatic?

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Reading Excuses / Re: Progress and Submission Reports
« on: February 11, 2010, 02:10:52 PM »
He was fairly traumatized, but also excited because he got straight A's and good feedback on his winter internship. He listened to law podcasts the whole time and would randomly go off on tangents about contracts. Stupid contacts.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Progress and Submission Reports
« on: February 10, 2010, 08:18:29 PM »
My brother comes back from law school once a year, so I try to maximize my time with him. Everything else gets set aside when I'm with my family.

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A FASHION DESIGNER? I never would have guessed...

Anyway, because you said ignore the prologue, I ignored it.

Good start. It caught my attention.

You get into a rhythm with your sentences early on. Dependent clause-comma-clause. Dependent clause-comma-clause. Stifling a yawn...perched in the trees...Already lit were the lamps...I'd like to see more subject-verb-object straightforward sentence structure. The editor in me keeps wanting to yank things around, especially when you use passive. "Flanking the entryway were" vs. "Two sentries flanked the doorway." You do a lot better with this later on.

Try to replace every instance of the "to be" verb with more active verbs. How about "the servants rushed" instead of the "the servants were not idle?" that sort of thing. The lamps sputtered or burned instead of "were lit." "was glaring" to "glared."

The Scar is an area in world of warcraft, I think. You kill bugs there.

Why wonder how a maid feels about the blood sand? Probably don't need this info until later. As it is, the subtext/backstory is a little distracting.

Some really great moments--like the head being smashed in to the table. Although that isn't really ever explained as to why...

A lot of fingers running through hair. Need to find another way to introduce hair colors. It feels very cliche to me.

Interesting cross-play of the two situations. I like the box. I like the sparks.

Why would the magistrate need to tell them the "Last Resort" does not exist if she's part of it and undoubtedly does not want their organization name bandied about? And then later the Last Resort has no caps...a pun?

I liked it. I thought the character was developed enough for chapter one and I'm okay with an easy heist for a first chapter, although I'd like to see one last scare as she's exiting the house. The pacing is good. Good mini-hooks keep me interested in each section. The description could be tighter though, with stronger verbs. I wonder why your ninja girl fell asleep in the tree.

I don't understand the last sentence. Everyone likes easy money, or at least doesn't hate it. Hate is a strong word.

I hope the shards reappear later in the novel.

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I haven't read Guli 1 yet, so I'll assume the terminology is explained there.

Tabitha the murt needs to be named sooner. Wait...if Tabitha's the murt and Guli's riding the murt, how is it possible for her to beat him?

Hober is a name from George R.R. Martin, although an obscure one. Or maybe it was 'Hobar.' Ah...looked it up, it's actually Hobber. Like I said, very obscure though, so I doubt it matters. Not to mention the fact that George R.R. Martin uses just about every name in the universe...

Having the song similar from our world is a little jarring, given that everything else is so different.

I like the description of the woman in white.

Size confusion. Guli talked about being a small boy and fitting into the pygmy cave, but later he describes himself as giant. If he's bigger than the rest of his adopted family, he probably doesn't think of himself as "a small boy."

If besmin is harder than steel, what are their picks made of? Besmin?

I like the Kaldo hunt description. I also like the description of the riding people, and when Guli hurt them.

I think you'd serve yourself most by simplifying down to the elements that matter most and sticking with those. I love the depth of your world and the backstory, but so much is in there that it feels muddled to me.

Guli feels a lot younger than eight in his thoughts, definitely younger than twelve. He thinks like I'd expect a four-year-old to think, very impulsive with no understanding of adult responsibilities. For example, an eight-year-old is unlikely to run into his parent's bedroom demanding an answer to his question right now.

If he's as big as his brother, why didn't he work in the mines sooner?

I'd like to see some more emotional depth to Guli. He seems to be motivated more by curiosity than a sense of loss. I'm not getting much sense of his internal conflict between loving his adopted parents and not knowing about his past.

It seems odd to me that his family can't understand him wanting to know and remember where he came from. It's hard to imagine anyone being that un-empathetic, unless there's some detail to the culture I don't understand. It seems like a straw-man discussion.

I liked this chapter more than some of the others, because there was a definite conflict and a definite sense of motion. And I like Guli as a character, though he feels a lot like all of your other child characters--voices that may be too similar.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Feb 8 - The Sword of Worlds CH 21 - Kail
« on: February 10, 2010, 07:08:45 PM »
This is the first Kail chapter I've read, I think. Good hook. My best friend in high school was named Kasja, and my best friend in Montana was named Kaja, so I keep thinking of them. Both of them were hobbits in size, so thinking of them fighting makes me giggle.

Good voice. I like the tone/style.

You do have the tendency to throw too much in one sentence, I think. Like this one. "A set of curled horns as thick as my arms topped its head and it carried a heavy spiked club." For a moment, I wondered if they were prehensile horns and they carried the club around.

I'd like to see more detail about the crystal, such as color. And more use of more senses in general--touch, taste, smell. Despite the description, I didn't get a good sense of the tree. Brown bark, shaggy red, or white as aspen? Are the troll's horns shaped like antlers or a ram's? I'd like to see more specifics everywhere.

I like the scene in the courtroom. Good pacing.

The kiss seemed kind of sudden. I didn't get the vibe that he was carrying his beloved earlier. It was missing a certain...intensity.

Good ending. Although for some reason, I was getting the vibe that this was a Y.A. book... Until the shirt part.

Seems like a weird oath to make. My last words would be something like, "suck my sword, brotherf-----s" rather than a promise about marrying someone.

Couple of grammar errors, nothing serious. Run instead of ran, etc. See edits in email.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Progress and Submission Reports
« on: February 10, 2010, 06:33:55 PM »
I'm back from winter break. I'm working on a new novel, but I'm not all that crazy about it. I may submit chapters, I may not.

I suspect critiquing everything that's passed while I've been gone would give me an aneurysm, so I'll start fresh with this week's stuff. But if there's a past submission you really want my input on, just let me know and I'll do my best to find time for it.

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Don't quit, I want to see Balt get his revenge :).

Well, I'd finish it if I were you. My second novel was crap, I knew it was crap midway through, but I finished anyway so I could say I did it. It was the first novel I wrote with no outline/prep, and mostly I learned that it was a stupid thing to do.

However, if you have another idea that intrigues you, you might well try something else for awhile. Putting this novel aside and getting some fresh perspective might help you determine what's worth keeping. I know there are some seemingly insurmountable problems with my novel I didn't figure out how to resolve until I'd written the end of it.

But don't stop writing. I like your prose too much :)

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Reading Excuses / Re: Dec 14 - Vegetathalas - Godsplay, Chapter Two
« on: December 18, 2009, 06:08:26 PM »
I read small gods...after I wrote the chapter.

And American Gods. And then I cursed because I wasn't as original as I thought I was.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Please please, do your worst. [critic a prologue]
« on: December 17, 2009, 06:43:28 AM »
Dialogue is a little cliche, action is a little confusing. I'm confused by the living cloth thing that turns into wood. There's no description of what an Itako is. I know what a Samurai is, but because it's so specific to feudal Japan, I feel like using that term in any other world is a bad idea. POV switches from Jeb to old man in mid-paragraph.

Jeb is forgettable. Because I know nothing about him, I don't really feel saddened by his death. I don't feel any sense of urgency to deliver the sword to someone else because I have nothing invested in the quest yet. Bottom line: I'm not hooked.

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I am reading this for the first time, and my eyes bled a little from the info-dump at the beginning. I'd like to see the pacing slowed down a little more. So many things/characters introduced at once...

How did communication pass so quickly that the center knows the forts were attacked yesterday? Mage-grams?

"Forty-three forts, and only four of them left intact. “General, did we manage to hold any of our forts?" -- sounds like he's already answered his own question.

Why aren't there more magi spread around the forts? Why did only one teleport away and back?

Aedon admits Lenalt is responsible for most of his military success and then seems schitzophrenicly to say he's an idiot. He needs to make up his mind, or change it visibly by saying "on second thought..."

"Lenalt would have to send the Archmage back with orders for his subordinates, which neither the Mage or Lenalt's officers would like." -- why won't they like them? Unless they've been ordered to come along too...

Seems like waaay too much information. I don't know enough about Re/Len to care about their power struggle. Especially since Len just comes to bring a sword to decapitate someone with.

If you can travel anywhere, I'm really surprised the forts don't have a skeleton structure with just a handful of mages who can call a pool of troops from the heartland in at any time. It would be a more efficient use of men in terms of strategy.

How can he swim if he's holding Lenalt?

I wish I understood the scene in the context of the other characters. As it is, I'm not sure what parts of it is important and why I should care. I'm pretty sure it can be pared down, though. I wonder if you can't start the scene when he charges into the council room.

"He had risen through the ranks, one of only three Chaosmagi in history to do so." -- aren't they all high-ranked chaosmagi?

It seems like the council's arguments should relate more to the war. You could put this dialogue in any argument between king and council and it would fit because it's very generic.

I'm not sure how Aedon maintains his power. Being able to decapitate someone isn't exactly a great skill against a mob. Veia's death should demonstrate how one man can keep power while he's being rude to a bunch of mages. As in, it should be gruesome and something that inspires a lot of terror.

Why doesn't Relea protest earlier? Delren seems to be heading things.

She's talking about writing things down and not the fact that all the border forts got wiped out? She has some strange priorities. I'm surprised no one points this out.

“There's no reason why we shouldn't get along, Relea, if you would simply do as you were told.” -- too mustache-twirly.

If you can reinforce stone with sorcery, why didn't they do it BEFORE the attack. Seems like that'd rank pretty high on the to-do list when it comes to fortress improvements.

Relea's trust seems too easily won. I mean, the emperor just killed her subordinate/peer or whatever he was in front of her, and she dismisses that because he explains his orders.

I'd like to see Aedon have more complexity as a character. He seems flat at the moment.

Mostly, I want to understand why I should care about any of this because it's a bunch of different countries that I don't know or care about particularly. Give me a reason to root for a side.

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Yeah, I know. It's hard and contradictory to find just the right amount of info-dumping.

By religion I might mean magic system, and I might like my interpretation of it rather than what you're thinking of. I like the idea of metal being able to read identity and displaying it with musical notes. I like the idea of Lyricists and sacred hymns only composed by women. I like the matriarchy, I just would like to see it deepened and made to feel more "real" (by which I do not mean less tyrannical--I mean more tyrannical and less about powerful women giggling all the time) I like the myth stories I'm seeing on the walls of the temple. I like the idea of arcs.

Speaking of musical notes, I forgot to mention: How did Talven know what he was when he held the knife if he had never heard a knife make that sound before? If no one had since the knives were lost? And yet Talven knew he was a Nuk or whatever right off, without any study or thought.

Of course, what it comes down to is not necessarily liking the religion itself, but liking the conflict between religion and science and magic and the hints of schisms--one woman says the men shouldn't be allowed in but the high priestess allows it. I like the potential conflicts. I like the sacred book that must be protected at all costs.

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“I've read your notes,” Orlisa said.  “Aside from the sheer blasphemy of it all, it seems as if you men are just trying to embarrass the women.”
   “Not at all,” Talven said.  “Though admittedly I have been known to speak about being at allowed at least to own my own land.  The land I've been living on since I was Jin'Cathul's age.”

I don't think any priestess worth her salt would dismiss blasphemy so easily, by the way. That seems pretty blase.

I go to political writer/speaker because why would Talven state his political beliefs otherwise? Why does he go to landownership instead of saying "disproving a hypothesis has nothing to do with men or women?" To me, by admitting he's made speeches of a political nature, he's tacitly admitting his research could be used to support political causes. Or he's so used to making speeches, he's making one now even when it doesn't seem to have anything do with the subject.

Basically, he's been speechifying since he walked into the temple. Most people in a repressive society who aren't political don't argue/correct the people in power. They duck their heads and try to let be. Talven's been speaking like a political reformer ever since his first interaction with the priestesses. The way I understand your world, the very existence of an intelligent men is bound to cause controversy, and his peers' reaction would force him to one extreme or the other--weak-spined sheep trying to prove he won't rock the boat or alpha dog champion of disenfranchised men.

It's possible this society is not very repressive and free speech is encouraged, but that doesn't seem to coincide with women walking around calling people "Man." It feels very schitzophrenic, and I think you need to fall to one side or the other. Or you already are on one side or another and you need to convince me that the society is where it is.

I get he's an important researcher from the text. What I don't get is that he's important enough for the priestesses to cater to his every whim. The dead zone's been there for centuries. Why worry about it now? Why not have a female study his notes and assume that she knows more about it than he does?  I mean, getting a woman to admit a man could be a foremost researcher has got to be a struggle. Not to mention how he managed to get into research in the first place since he was disenfranchised. I'm surprised some woman hasn't taken his stylus away and said "stop worrying your pretty little head about things beyond your comprehension."

But a lot of this is because I have the later chapters. I don't know what I would think if my head was a clean slate.

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