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Brandon Sanderson / Re: EUOL: Writing question based upon MB2 annotation
« on: October 01, 2007, 07:20:27 PM »
I'm actually dealing with these problems right now in two series I'm reading.  The first is the Pendragon series by DJ McHale. This series has interdimentional travelers going to lots of different worlds (pretty much introducing one new world in each book).  With the made up names of the worlds and people and things in the worlds, I'm having a hard time keeping them straight.  In the latest book, a MAJOR plot point depends on me remembering details of a world from a book he published a year or two ago, and at first, I thought he was talking about a completely different world.  There wasn't a summary of the various worlds in the book itself, and I didn't want to wait the two weeks it would take to order the book in to my library (I've bought the first five, but not the later ones -- there's just not room on my shelves for everything I'd like to own), so I went to Wikiedia, and refreshed my memory, but got hit with some pretty serious spoilers. 

With Mistborn 2, I appreciated the refresher course on which allomantic metals did what, but still found myself wishing for a chart of what the allomantic and ferruchemical powers were.  I found these (with some minor spoilers), where I expected them, in the BACK of the book (though I was surprised that the summary of book 1 was in the back of the book without any mention of it in the front -- say in a table of contents of some sort).  I listen to a lot of books on tape, and Peter and I are reading this one aloud to each other, so it's almost the same experience.  In audio format, you couldn't get to the tables and summaries in the back until you'd already finished the rest of the book, at which point they're moot, and many times they're left out entirely.

While reading Mistborn 2, I also found that my memory was very fuzzy about what had happened in the climax of #1. Brandon's climaxes are so action packed, and have so many twists and revelations, that I tend to rush through them and come out a little dazed at the other end.  When he talks in book 2 about what Vin remembers about killing the Lord Ruler, I believed him, but I didn't remember several of those details myself.  I eventually ended up re-reading the end of book 1 so that I could have some hope of piecing mysteries together at at least the same rate as the characters in the book (if not one step ahead).

So essentially, my opinion on this matter is that you should have reminders of the important details of the previous book in the current book.  You should, as a writer of a fantasy series, be able to expect that your reader has read the previous book, but not that they'll remember everything important. I don't like infodumpy chapters with talking heads -- I tend to skim or skip those -- but characters should be reintroduced with a quick (one sentence or less) reminder of what their role/powers are, and "hard" magic systems should have their rules reviewed so that readers can keep pace with the characters.

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Books / Re: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ***Spoilers***
« on: July 23, 2007, 09:21:41 PM »
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A few things I wanted to comment on:

1. Somebody mentioned clunky prose. As I've re-read the books this last couple weeks, and also read other people's comments, I've come to agree that the prose is often "clunky" I think that some of the later books could have been much more tightly plotted, and that there are whole sections where nothing important happens that should have been condensed or cut. I mean how many times do we have to see Ron and Hermione annoyed at each other, or Harry feeling teenagee angst while putting off or not being able to solve a mystery? Even while reading it the first time, there were parts when I felt like shouting, "Get on with it woman!!!"

2. Regarding Snape's Potions Book: Why didn't he write his own book? This one is at least 20 years old, and doesn't look like it has even been updated with a new edition. If he had that many ideas while he was taking the class himself, he must have similar revisions to make for the whole series. Failing that, he could have at least given out hints during lectures or lab setups. As it is, he's a particularly bad person to hire as a teacher if he won't even share the basic shortcomings of the textbook with the students he likes (the Slytherins).

3.Why can't he see Harry as Lily's son rather than James's? I think that if Harry had ended up in Slytherin, Snape might've had a chance of seeing him that way. As it was Harry looked so much like James, and very early on was involved in a) a rivalry with Malfoy b) playing quidditch, I think that even Harry's eyes became a liability to him reminding Snape of how much he'd lost, and who he saw as taking her from him. I think he blamed James for not being able to protect her, and Harry for being the reason Voldemort went there in the first place. He was doing what he could against Voldemort -- which was taking a huge toll on him emotionally, There was no more he could do against James, but he could make sure Harry suffered for his part in Snape's pain, and for continually reminding him of it.

4. I think that Neville's character arc is one of the very best in the series. As early as book 1, he tries, and is rewarded for, bravely standing up for what's right. He has as much reason as Harry to want to fight Voldemort (maybe more since he's had to live with the damage to his parents all these years). Growing up in his house could not have been fun with everyone scaring the magic out of him. Yet in each book he slowly finds ways to succeed: focusing on what he's good at, and working really hard at the rest. Once he started getting having real success at difficult spells with teh DA, and real encouragement from his Gran (after the Department of Mysteries success), it's natural that he would continue to focus on those areas. Here's somebody wh you can really see how their motivations and realistic human emotions turn into logical decisions. Hooray for characters that make sense!!!

5. I agree that Hogwarts was the ideal place for the last battle. The school building itself could help with the fight, and most of the main characters we've come to know had a logical reason for being there (and sending out all the little kids to contact their parents and the OOP got the rest there). Also, it's where the whole series was set, so she couldn't leave it out of this book altogether.

6. Why were the Deathly Hallows there? a)to provide a compare and contrast between Voldemort and Dumbledore. They both wanted power, specifically over death. They both had the natural ability and charisma. But when Dumbledore saw what it would cost, he gave it up, and tried to fight against others who tried to go down that path. It's what he told Harry all along - it's your choices that determine who you are. b) to let Harry know why Voldemort wanted Dumbledore's wand, and let Harry know how to defeat that advantage. c) Getting all three didn't do any good. You can't have true power over death in any meaningful way and still be a good person. Anybody you bring back with the stone will be sad, to keep the wand you have to either refuse to use it or be a ruthless killer, and if you use the invisibility cloak all the time, you can't have a meaningful relationship with anyone. that's why d) Dumbledore did not send them on a quest to collect them. He let them know they existed so they'd know how to counter them, but their real job was to get rid of the horocruxes that were another evil way of cheating death. e) A major theme of the series is that death is sad for the ones left behind, but it's a natural part of the cycle of life. Happy people don't come back as ghosts -- they move on. You can't spend all your time wishing for dead people to come back and staring at them in the Mirror of erised. Losing your soul is worse than being dead, etc.

OK that's all I have to say for now. Keep it coming!


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Books / Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows ***Spoilers***
« on: July 23, 2007, 02:11:41 AM »
Don't say you weren't warned! Highlight below for spoilers (if I can get the right color -- otherwise stop reading now!!!

I mean it!!!

Really bad spoilers about to show up!!!


I got the book in the mail Saturday, and was finished by 10:30 pm. That was about 8 hours of reading (I generally average about 100 pgs per hour if you care). I've been sitting on it for more than 19 hours now, and nobody will talk to me about it because they're all so slow!!! I even dreamed about Harry Potter all nigh. At any rate, I thought that I could post here, and vent, and then people could respond when they get around to it which is better than nothing.

OK the spoilers are really starting now, so don't get mad at me.

[hide]I just want to say right off the bat that I was totally right about Snape. I'll agree that a lot of other people were too, but I just wanted to rub it in to all those people who thought, no--he has to be evil--he's been faking all along. There were just too many things forshadowing the final way things turned out, and I would have felt cheated if she'd made him altogether bad. (though I didn't guess how close he and Lily were at one point, or that Petunia had briefly wanted to attend Hogwarts)

Also-- Wow that book was a holocaust! She was killing people off left and right! Mad-Eye, Remus AND Tonks, Fred, Snape, Scrimgour, Bathilda Bagshot, not to mention the bad guys Voldemort, Pettigrew, etc...and that's just off the top of my head. There were plenty more mentioned. I didn't think she'd really kill off any of the top three -- Harry, Ron and Hermione, but I thought that Hagrid might be in danger, and I was pretty sure the Weasleys couldn't get off scot free.

I was surprised that the three didn't go back to Hogwarts for classes. I was sure she'd set it there, but I can see that in the world she set up for this one, they really couldn't have. It did make me wonder how they'll deal with the obviously stunted education everybody got -- or didn't get that year as the world moves on. Will they have a do-over year where all the mudbloods and muggle borns who were kicked out can make up what they missed? Will there be a special eighth year class? I realize that formal education was always kind of chancy in their world, but surely OWL's and NEWT's count for something (or why would they bother with them?), and there's a significant portion of the population that simply missed out (did they have ANY NEWT's that year?).

I did cry when Harry was going off to die and called up his parents and Sirius and Remus for support. It was so sad and noble. It's telling that he DIDN'T call up Dumbledore. At any rate, Harry has always been a Messianic Archetype, so I guess we knew it had to happen. It was comforting to know that the snake was still around, so it couldn't have been the end, so I figured he'd be back, but still... HE didn't.

I also thought it was interesting that Dumbledore defeated Grindenwald (sp? Peter's reading the book right now so I don't have it to check) in 1945. She's obviously telling us that he was the "real" evil behind the Nazis in WWII. She's obviously drawing parallels to the Nazi racism, facist dictatorship, police-state, etc in these books. I think that she's also trying to make a statement about our current troubles with terrorism, and that we shouldn't blindly accept what the media and/or government is telling us, and that we shouldn't allow ouselves to support anything resembling that kind of human rights abuse based simply on race. What do you think about her poitical agenda?

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OK I think that's all I have to say right now. I'm sure that I'll have opinions on whatever you think is important...so hurry up and read the book so we can discuss.



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Brandon Sanderson / Brandon made the 100 Hour Board
« on: May 11, 2007, 06:53:32 PM »
http://theboard.byu.edu/index.php?area=viewall&id=36051

If you don't know what the Board is, and why it's so cool, look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Hour_Board

Edit: Sorry for those of you that saw the non working link.  I think I've fixed it now.  Also, it seems that this is not the first time he's made the Board. He's also mentioned here http://theboard.byu.edu/index.php?area=viewall&id=31453


-Karen

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Y.A.S.P... (Also known as Scribbler)
« on: April 25, 2007, 06:00:45 AM »
He may be crazy, but the books are crazy good.  I want to play the scribbler video game which could be based on this program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df8wAla57PI



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Brandon Sanderson / Brandon's in the News
« on: April 24, 2007, 06:40:43 PM »
My grandpa told me about this.  Good publicity in the SLC area, though it doesn't mention Alcatraz which is the book he's holding

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660214375,00.html

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Books / Re: review: Margaret of Ashbury triology
« on: April 24, 2007, 07:16:50 AM »
I also really loved this series, and I'm excited to get my hands on Water Devil.  I've read Vision of Light several times, and Green Lion only once, so I think I'll have to read it again before I move forward.  I also really like the mood, setting and characters, and think that this book compares favorably with The Pillairs of The Earth by Ken Follett in that regard.  While Pillars of the Earth has more detail about politics and architecture, it also has a lot more detail about sex and rape, which makes Vision of Light look very tame.  To deal with that, I had to make my own personal expurgated version complete with torn out pages and scribbled out words and scenes, because I like to read the story. 

I also wanted to mention that for all their arguing, Margaret and Gregory have remarkably similar beliefs about the nature of God.  When Margaret had her Vision of Light, she essentially did successfully what Gregory was trying to do through a life of contemplation.  She was humble, she was physically weak, she was meditating on the nature of God, and was emptied of all that distracting sense of self.  Her "mind was blank and empty as an open grave."  In this state, she saw the light, and was overwhelmed by a feeling of ecstasy and felt like she was one with the universe.  This is textbook mysticism (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism especially the section titled Process).  Different characters in the book have different relationships with the God, but it was pretty clear to me what the authors views were on the subject. I was always a little annoyed with the way that Riley's consistant image of God didn't quite mesh with my own. (Now that you point it out, though, I can possibly believe that she was doing it as an artistic device to juxtapose Margaret's success with Gregory's failure within the tradition of the time, and that it may not be her own personal view.  I'll have to think about it.)

Anyway, I'm babbling.  I think people who like Historical Fiction, and don't mind a little  romance thrown in would like this book.  It has a lot to offer.

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Rants and Stuff / Re: A letter to Orson Scott Card about Mira Mirror
« on: April 10, 2007, 06:14:39 PM »
Yes, I would write to another newspaper reviewer if their review of a book or moviegot me to spend time on something that I thought was worth it--especially if I had agreed with them in the past.  If my friend told me they liked a book or movie, and I disagreed, I'd tell them.  If a complete stranger, who I felt no connection with, told me something was great, and I disagreed, I would not seek them out to tell them.  I don't know anything about Mette Harrison, except that she's the sort of person who would write this book.  That doesn't make me think that she'd be especially open to my viewpoint, so I'm not going to waste my time figuring out how to get in touch with her--I'm too lazy.

-Karen

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Rants and Stuff / A letter to Orson Scott Card about Mira Mirror
« on: April 09, 2007, 09:43:39 PM »
Hi,

I know I don't write in this forum a lot, but I do read it a lot, and Peter often adds my comments to his posts...

So anyway, I wrote the following letter to Orson Scott Card this week.  I sent it through his website, where I read the review, so I don't know if he'll even see and/or read it.  All the same, it's about something that has been bothering me for a few weeks, and I wanted to get some input from other people on the subject, so here it is.  You can read the original review here: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2005-01-09.shtml and he repeats his endorsement here: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2007-01-14.shtml  The actual book in question was an OK minor-character-in-a-fairytale-becomes-heroine-of-fantasy-novel outing, but it was very dark, I didn't like the main character, couldn't believe in the motivations of several supporting characters, and hated the ending.

Dear Orson Scott Card:

After reading your review of Mira Mirror, I checked it out from the library and read it.  I pretty much agree with your review right up until the ending.

When Mira realizes that the witch is her "sister" who's still around after all this time, she naturally compares their relationship to the relationship of the two girls whose lives she's messing with.  She sees that they can overcome the damage done by lies and betrayal because they truly love and trust one another.  That's fine -- even if I find it hard to believe the series of events that led to this relationship.

The problem comes when Mira discovers, in her own memories, that all her “sister” needed from her was that same unconditional love.  Then, when she offers it at the climax, it magically fixes everything and redeems everybody and they all die happily ever after.  I agree that love can be powerfully transformative, and that just loving somebody regardless of their faults is, in general, a good way to be happy in life. 

But Mira's sister was evil, manipulative, abusive murderer.  All through her childhood, Mira loved and trusted her against all rational reason to do so.  The fact that there was a noticeable barrier between them was not Mira's fault for not loving enough, but her sister's fault for constant betrayal. 

I have read several of your essays that condemn "evil" books and movies for subtly perpetuating lies that lead to violence.  I remember hearing you speak years ago (at Life The Universe & Everything at BYU) about how the redemption at the end of Return of the Jedi ignored the fact that Darth Vader was a genocidal warlord cut from the same cloth as Hitler’s general Herman Goering, and that just suddenly saying he was sorry wasn't good enough.

This book is evil in exactly the same way.  It perpetuates the lie that if an abused person could just love their abuser enough, they'd change and become the good person that only the abused seems to be able to see.  This is the lie that keeps women going back to abusive boyfriends and husbands even after they've had broken bones or worse.  This perpetuates the lie that the abusers tell their victims--that the abuse is somehow their fault.

It may be possible that you didn't see this because you've never been in a position to see that sort of relationship in action.  If you've never been abused, then that's a wonderful thing.  I hope you'll thank your lucky stars, and then stop recommending books that glorify the "noble self sacrifice" and "unconditional love" of victims who are so blinded and trapped by their abusers that they keep going back for more until it kills them (other notable works in this category that are often glorified, though not necessarily by you: the musical Oliver! and Shel Silverstein's The Giving Tree).

The thing is, that I have been there.  I was emotionally and physically abused by my college roommate.  I say this, not to get your pity, but to let you know that I know from experience how incredibly hard it is to get out of this sort of relationship.  Jenny was the very best friend I had ever had in my whole life, and I still mourn losing her friendship more than I regret getting divorced from my first husband--and this is the person who regularly had me in tears for days, sleeping under my desk at work, and afraid to come home until I could work up the guts to apologize for saying the sort of thing that would make her hurt me.  We don't need more books out there--especially ones marketed to preteen girls--that tell people like me that we could have made everything all better if we'd just love the person more.

I'm sorry if I've annoyed you by writing this letter -- I know you were expressing your opinion about a book that to you seemed to show the "healing power of love and kindness."  I've tried for weeks to just get over it and let it go.  But I respect you too much not to let you know when something you say (innocently in all probability) could cause more harm than good, and I hope you'll take this letter in that spirit.




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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Official Worldcon 2006 Thread
« on: December 31, 2005, 04:45:24 PM »
We got our Dec. 2005 Worldcon report booklets yesterday or so. They've got the nomination forms inside, and you can register right on the form--but yes, they have to have received your registration by Jan. 31st, though the nominations don't have to be in until March.

On so many categories I don't know who to nominate!

[This is Ookla again...]

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Movies and TV / Re: The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe
« on: December 28, 2005, 12:31:36 AM »
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By the way, did anyone else notice that Douglas Gresham, the stepson that CS Lewis adopted, was one of the co-producers of the film?  I found this interesting.  I'm sure most people wouldn't notice that, but I about jumped out of my seat when his name came on screen.  I thought that made for an interesting touch.

Yes! I noticed that too and pointed it out to Karen! She didn't realize who he was until I said so.

(In Shadowlands Joy Gresham's two kids were merged into one and youthened quite a bit for who knows what reason.)

[EDIT: Ah, sorry, this is Ookla on Karen's computer.]

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Movies and TV / Re: Chronicles of Narnia
« on: June 04, 2005, 04:05:09 PM »
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I've never noticed any christian symbolism. Apart from the obvious garden of eve in the first narnia book.



I'm just wondering if you're serious about this, and you're still missing the Aslan-as-Christ symbolism in the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, or if you just missed it the first time through as a kid.

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Webcomics & Free Stuff / Homestar and Strongbad
« on: June 04, 2005, 03:56:36 PM »
I'm amazed that in a whole section on Free webcomics, there's not a single one about Homestarrunner.com and especially the Strongbad emails there.  

Do any of you frequent that site?  

If so, what are your favorite bits?

If not WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!?  ;)

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Rants and Stuff / Re: Thomas Aquinas on women
« on: June 04, 2005, 03:29:36 PM »
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All those women in adverts that make you think is sexist...

You do realise they CHOSE to do that role?


Yeah... just like all those black actors in the thirties CHOSE to be portrayed as servants, fools, and minstrels.  And all the girls who end up prostituting themselves on the streets CHOOSE that path in life.  If you pay some people enough, they'll do anything.

I realize that SOME women like that, but for many, it's the only acting job they could get, or they don't realize that they have other assets that could give them power or control in life.  

That kind of reasoning remids me of all those paternalistic Englishmen who had totally convinced themselves that the natives they conquered really liked being ruled over by a foreign power.  Just because somebody does something willingly doesn't mean they're NOT being oppressed.

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Movies and TV / Re: Chronicles of Narnia
« on: June 04, 2005, 04:23:13 AM »
I just watched the trailer, and was pleased with what I saw in terms of effects -- it doesn't look "computer animated" which helps a great deal (the early trailers I saw certainly DID have that look about them).  I think that they could make really great movies just by sticking to the themes that are in the books.  Grand themes of good vs evil have always worked in Hollywood.  They don't have to lay on the Christian imagery with a trowel.  A friend of mine (a 5th grade teacher) used the book as a major part of her lesson plans for YEARS, and only figured out that it had Christian symbolism after another friend introduced her to the LDS Church, and opened her eyes to such things (I seem to remember that even then somebody had to tell her point blank).


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