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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Gemm: Rock & Roll Star; Born to Rock on September 23, 2004, 09:30:04 AM
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So I watched this last night. And it actually wasn't that bad, at first. And then Towards the end of the show they had some kind of large animal or something knocking down trees and such. Then some of them went to find the pilot and see if they could send a signal, found the pilot alive, he ends up being man-slaughtered by the thing and they run away.
So it seems to me that it's just digressing into some kind of Jurassic Park or Lost World crap. But hopefully we'll see what it's really all about next week.
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I thought it was great. Had some very intense moments for a tv show. It will be interesting to see what develops. By the very nature of the show the majotiry of it has to be character driven and with 48 survivors, an unknown thing(s) lurking in the jungle and a mysterious dog there should be plenty of stories to tell.
What are your thoughts on the rocker-guy? In the flashback it seemed the attendents were chasing him down the aisle. Then when they got to the cockpit later he was in the bathroom, maybe not heading nature's call. Does he have a thing for airplane bathrooms?
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you know, fi you hadn't put the name of a TV show in the subject line, I'd be convinced you were just doing a Gemm thing.
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hehe
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I found this just flipping through channels, and not even knowing what it was, it intrigued me from the first moments. I don't think they need the big monster thing. I am also wondering what's up with Merry/rocker guy. Maybe he's a spy that blew up the plane. Maybe he has a thing for feeling safe in enclosed places.
At any rate, it was intriguing enough to make me forget I had resolved to turn off the TV and do my homework. Now I'm making up for that today.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I found it really intriguing and all that. I just found the whole monster lurking in the unknown kind of silly.
I wasn't able to catch the very beginning. I missed maybe the first 10 minutes. But it wasn't too bad.
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I'm also interested to see in coming shows more of what happened on the plane. I have a feeling it may become one of those things where they have to hide the backstory from you at first so as not to give everything away.
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Whoa.
Episode 4 was VERY INTERESTING. The Locke character they focused on today was one of the most conflicted and fascinating characters I've seen on television.
When that dude was picking on him at work, my roommate was saying "why would the dude at work be picking on a guy who looks as scary as that?" And then we finally saw that he had been in a wheelchair the whole time, and I said "NOW we know why that guy was picking on him!"
That was a real WOW moment. This dude was built up to be spooky and scary, to be crazy and delusional, and now I have no idea what to think. Here's a guy who for one reason or another was in a wheelchair for 4 years, and then all of a sudden stands up and walks...is this supposed to be inspirational? Was his previous condition purely psychological?
And what's the monster? Why isn't he saying anything?
Arrgh.
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I saw the first episode of this and have missed every single episode since then. One of these days I'll think to set the VCR to tape it, but so far that hasn't happened. :-/
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I missed last nights. Was printing some stuff off for a paper. But I do like the show. It seems I'm able to catch every other episode. Saw one, missed two. Saw three, missed four... yeah.
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There are some good bit torrent websites where you can download missed episodes from. Not sure if I'm supposed to talk about stuff like that here so PM me for more info.
It's a rare moment that a tv show makes my jaw drop and this week's episode sure was one of those times. Just...wow. Did Locke kill the monster? Did it give him the boar? And what's up with the mysterious guy in the suit?
I really hope that if this show is ever cancelled that they can wrap it up nicely. Definately my favorite new show this year...not that there's much to choose from.
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yeah, just the daily disclaimer: TWG does not support illegal file sharing, and we discourage discussion of it on our forums. Nuff said.
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Yeah, no talking about bittorrent on our forum. That's what suprnova.org forums are for...
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ABC has ordered a full seasons-worth of episodes so I'm a happy camper.
We were saying at the start of last night's why are they getting the Doc? Can't anyone else do anything? Then we get a whole episode exploring the leader thing.
And then there were 46...
"A leader can't lead until he knows where he's going."
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Wootly Woot!
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*sigh*...that means we'll never get a real end to this
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I has to end some time and I'm sure JJ will make sure we're given a satisfying ending.
Another great ep last night.
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Augh! Where are all you Lost people when I need you? I wishe I had people here to watch it with and commiserate. Perhaps commiserate isn't the right word, but you get my drift. I've been watching season 1 on DVD and finally filling in the gaps. I actually saw a lot more of it than I realized, but it never made sense because I missed the backstories of people in the first half of the season. Now it makes so much more sense!
I just finished the last ep of season 1, and MAN! When they got down to the fire and Rousseau said she heard that they were coming for the boy.... I KNEW they meant Walt. This thing has kept me up late the last few days. I just couldn't stop. Should've used the middle-to-middle method so I could stop.
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Middle to middle method. I would never have thought of that. We did our own lost-athons so I could catch up before last Wed when the new episode aired, and we had to download all the second season episodes too.
I REALLY like this show, too. I'm glad I'll have another literature student to discuss it with. About midway through first season when I was really hating on Sawyer and we found out why he hates himself so much I was all "If he pulls a Sidney Carton, I'm SO going to freak out." and no one knew what I was talking about. Le sigh.
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Even being a literature person, I'm afraid I don't know who Sidney Carton is. :-[ :-/But I agree about the characterization of Sawyer. I loved how Michael figured it out in the last episode--"why do you want to die?"
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Well, I spelled his name wrong, it's Sydney. Whatever. He's a character in Tale of Two Cities. He's kind of scum, but in the end he redeems himself by ... um, can I spoil a Dickens novel?
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Aha! Well, it's been since high school since I've read Tale of Two Cities, but I know what you're referencing now that you name the book. It's just been too long for me to remember that particular character's name. I didn't fear that Sawyer would do that, but now that I'm watching Season 2 (I couldn't wait for DVD--I love Itunes!), it's getting more intruiging. What the heck? The tail section people are the Others? I'm on ep. 4 (Everybody Hates Hugo) and more puzzled than ever.
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Yay! They finally showed us the monster! And even though we know nothing more about it, I'm happy that they didn't pull another "focus on the actor's stunned face and then fade to commercial" scene. It's so nice to know that those wisps of smoke are the monster.
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now that I'm watching Season 2 (I couldn't wait for DVD--I love Itunes!), it's getting more intruiging. What the heck? The tail section people are the Others? I'm on ep. 4 (Everybody Hates Hugo) and more puzzled than ever.
When you get to the ep "The other 48 Days" or whatever it is it will explain a LOT.
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I too am relieved that they have finally given a clear shot of the monster, yet it still leaves so many questions.
Personally, I'm starting to think they are all dead and in Limbo. I know that has been suggested before, but it seems to fit.
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I have to admit, I'm a little surprised they gave us such a clear view (from inside and out) of the monster thing. Of course, that doesn't give us any hints as to what it actually IS, but yeah, I'm glad too. :)
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I wonder why Eko wasn't afraid. I think it's because he's ready to die because he now knows for sure what happened to his brother and is ready to meet his maker.
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Both Echo and Locke were able to face the monster head-on and live to tell about it. (Though Locke chose not to mention it to anyone) I wonder if any of the characters can do that, so long as they don't act afraid. Can this thing sense fear? Or does it just not like to kill people who don't run from it?
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last nights episode was good. We got to see the others, and we found out a little more about jack. I would love to see more of hurly though in season 2. he is so funny. Also I am rooting for him with the love interest. HUR-LY, HUR-LY, HUR-LY.
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Ditto on Hurley and Libby. And Kate and Sawyer have simply GOT to be together.
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I hate Sawyer, and I'm suspiscious of Libby.
I was undecided about Michael, but I guess I don't have to worry about him for a while.
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Did you hear when "Zeke" called out to "Alex"? Remember who Alex is?
Maybe Libby was in the insane asylum.
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(I couldn't wait for DVD--I love Itunes!)
Whoa, I had no idea that iTunes offered TV episodes, not to mention my most favoritest show, Lost!! Whoo-hoo! Thanks, stacer. I missed the first new episode this year and my brother was going to send his taped version since I had just gettting summaries, you know. NOW I don't even have to wait for the tape! $1.99 is totally doable. Cool.
Oh, and here's something my friend emailed me. It's a survey (http://www.okcupid.com/tests/take?testid=5052228135609532493) to see which of the Lost crew you're most like. Apparently, I'm Sun. ;D (Oh, one or two of the questions might be kinda "edgy" if you're sensitive, just FYI). I thought it was cool. Anyway, enjoy!
"You are Sun. You are very, very kind, but also very secretive. You have not shown much bravery as of yet, but you are growing more and more bold with each day that passes. Don't let the others push you around! You're your own woman! R-E-S-P-E-C-T, sister! And hey, if things don't work out with Jin, I'm sure Michael wouldn't mind taking you out for dinner and a movie.
Your polar opposite is: ironically, Jin. You are similar to: Claire and Walt."
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...which of the Lost crew you're most like.
I'm Boone.
But wait, didn't he die? I'm behind on episodes...
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I'm Claire! Which is kind of cool since she's also blonde, and the actress who plays her is like 3 weeks older than me.
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I'm most like Jack. Not who I would have thought of.
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lol. Now, now, 42, give yourself some credit. :) After all, you didn't try to slaughter me at Settlers my first time playing. Too bad I still came in at last place, though...
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Well, Lost kids - have fun playing around at this site.
http://emri.perception.net
Someone said there are 65 keywords, but I'm too lazy to find out all of them. Game, Walt, "where am I", monster etc...
Make sure the sound is on, sometimes it plays music.
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Was there not a new episode this week? I'm not seeing anything on Itunes.
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It's on Wednesdays, so, in 86 minutes on the west coast.
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And now I'm embroiled in a heated argument with some idiots who actually think Charlie was going to drown Aaron. As if! He needs Aaron; he needs to have someone to live for and be responsible for just like his brother cleaned up his act. Weren't those nutheads watching the same show as me?
(half-kidding. I get vehement in defending my character viewpoints, and there hasn't been a lot of disagreement until now.)
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It's just a matter of time until Charlie completely breaks. Then he will go join the Others.
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I just don't understand exactly what Charlie thought he could do. Was he going to baptize Aaron himself? And in the Ocean? Since he's Catholic he must know that you need blessed holy water and it needs to be done by a Priest! Unless he was going to convince Eko to do it right there, and he was counting on Eko walking around with some holy water, I don't know exactly what Charlie thought he was going to do. Charlie couldn't baptize Aaron himself, duh. He's not a Priest! I just don't get it.
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Charlie has gone schizophrenic. Does that answer your questions?
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I just don't understand exactly what Charlie thought he could do. Was he going to baptize Aaron himself?
He wasn't thinking, that's the point. I wouldn't go so far as to say schizophrenic, 42, though you might know more than I would - but he just finally reached his breaking point. Being rejected by his newest 'adopted' family - Claire and Aaron, was just too much for his psyche to take after everything else in his past. He lost it. I think he can get better though. Lost is all about the redemption, yo.
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*sigh*
I know that TWG has spoiled me rotten when it comes to Internet community. And I really enjoy the comments on http://lost.cubit.net/....
But I swear to the Trancendant Pig, if I see one more person talk about the "23rd plasm" instead of the 23rd psalm I am going ot murder someone.
Plasm, I ask you!
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He wasn't thinking, that's the point. ... Being rejected by his newest 'adopted' family - Claire and Aaron, was just too much for his psyche to take after everything else in his past. He lost it. I think he can get better though. Lost is all about the redemption, yo.
Yes, his psychic snapparoo was definitely prompted by feeling helpless to keep his "family" safe and to be part of that family unit. My heart broke, though, when he took Aaron because it was just so shockinly extreme. No, I didn't think for one second that he'd drown the baby. Still, his extreme reaction might've felt more "warranted" to me if Claire had cut off ALL contact with Aaron and everyone else had rejected him too--lots of jeering and rude words and such.
Anyway, I really, really wish he had kept only ONE statue as a reminder of his weakness. Having all those others around really sunk him, big time. That just didn't make sense. So he needed one to carry around and just hide six others just to stare at every so often?? That seems like something you'd do only if you -were- strung out on heroine. Oh, and another thing: why, oh why did Locke KEEP those statues? How freakin' stupid. Why not destroy them? aaaugh! That frustrates me.
Oh, and Jack better not fall for that stupid Anna Lucia chick. blech. I really don't like her character. I'd hoped to like/understand her better when the story backtracked to her first day on the island, but seeing more of her story just made me roll my eyes. *sigh*
On the more happy side, I did appreciate the Hurly/Libby side story. That was cool. :) But I worry so much for poor Charlie now...
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Oh, and Jack better not fall for that stupid Anna Lucia chick. blech. I really don't like her character. I'd hoped to like/understand her better when the story backtracked to her first day on the island, but seeing more of her story just made me roll my eyes. *sigh*
I don't know. I want Sawyer and Kate to end up together, so I don't care what happens to Jack. I dont' like him so much anymore. When Ana asked Jack "You hittin' that?" I almost fell off the couch. Obviously she's just used to the whole cop thing - trying to be "one of the guys". I find myself hoping she has a Breakfast Club type moment where the girls all find a dress for her and put make up on and set her up with Jack.
;D
Oh, and as for hating Ana Lucia, hon, after they made me not only like Saywer but SHANNON, I believe they can do anything. If they can make me like Shannon I fully expect them to annoy me by making me like Ana.
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I also want to know why Locke kept those statues. What good could they possibly do? What good!
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Perhaps the heroine could be used for medicinal purposes?
I love LOST, but I'm constantly taken aback by the extreme measures some of these people take for seemingly little problems. Hurley doesn't want everyone to hate him . . . so he plans to blow up all the food. Eko wants to lay to rest the brother he betrayed . . . so he sets fire to a plane full of fuel and other useful parts. At some point I hope the series shows a more realistic portrayal of being, y'know, stranded on an island full of mystery and death, rather than focusing solely on the soap opera, as interesting as that may be.
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Well it's a bunch of very emotionally unstable people on the island. And I have a natural penchant for melodrama so I have to say I didn' t even think about the overabundance of extreme measures.
Also, before someone else does it:
heroin - drug.
heroine - female hero.
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Heh. At least Jeff spells better than some others round here (Egg_Fu, also known as Jeff Sampson, is one of my authors). :) Egg_Fu, you'll get used to jokes about Sprig's spelling. Welcome!
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Well, of course I meant that Kate could be used for medicinal purposes. Right?
...Nah, I just misspelled it. And thanks for the welcome, Stacy.
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Might as well face it . . . (http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost)
haha. Aired during the Superbowl apparently (which I didn't watch).
Oh, and I'm excited that this week's ep is new. Yay!
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DUDE, that was great. Haha, "How long since your last fix?"
I LOVE how the websites ABC has put up for Lost are just showing that there are people with a great sense of humor that still work there.
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My VCR didn't work right so it didn't tape "The Long Con"!! Worse, iTunes doesn't have the new episode on their site yet. It sucks! I *really* wanted to watch it tonight after I got home from my evening class. But I guess they don't put it on iTunes until the show has aired on the west coast as well. Hmmph. I'm sad and grumpy now.
Edit: One day later and my wait is over. Hurray! I'm downloading it now....
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So, while I totally saw the con with Sawyer coming, I was surprised that the "kidnapper" was Charlie. But they made it make sense at the end, so I liked it.
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I'm probably totally stupid, but I thought the girl was conning him and it was going to be another matchstick men scenario. I guess I wanted to believe that Sawyer had some good in him.
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See, I hate Sawyer and don't expect anything good to come from him. So it wasn't a surprise for me.
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Sawyer as Lord of the Guns. Muy, muy mal. But not a big surprise.
Charlie teaming up with Sawyer (el diablo!) and then hurting Sun just so he can get back at Locke for being rightfully upset w/ Charlie for stealing Aaron? Ay carumba!! Nooooo! At first I was all happy because he didn't do even look twice at the heroin-Mary statue. But then I thought, how could he hurt poor Sun (even if he didn't mean to hurt her) or endanger her life? It's just so . . . disillusioning! It makes me so mad.
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Lost will run into problems if they are planning on the current plots lasting longer than three seasons.
To avoid Twin Peaks syndrom they really need to wrap up the current plots and start new plot lines if they get renewed.
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But then I thought, how could he hurt poor Sun (even if he didn't mean to hurt her) or endanger her life? It's just so . . . disillusioning! It makes me so mad.
I was under the impression that he just kidnapped her then let her 'escape' from him and she hurt herself by falling. So, technically, he didn't intend to hurt her, just scare her.
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Yeah, that's why I put, in parentheses, "even if he didn't mean to hurt her." 'Cuz I really don't think he wanted to hurt her at all but the fact that he'd even marginally "attack" her is . . . awful. :(
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Lost will run into problems if they are planning on the current plots lasting longer than three seasons.
To avoid Twin Peaks syndrom they really need to wrap up the current plots and start new plot lines if they get renewed.
I don't know the quote, but I read somewhere that the creators realize that this show can't last very long because of how it was set up. I don't how long they are planning, but I know that they know where it's going. They may be trying to add "filler" though to make it last longer. Not sure.
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42, Tink, here's something I forgot to write about. A while ago, I read an in-depth article in TV Guide once about how the creators, who were once involved in both Twin Peaks and X-Files were dedicated to -not- making the same mistakes they made with those series. That gives me some confidence that they won't keep recycling plots and that they'll keep a sustained attention to storytelling and character development. (Incidentially, they emphatically denied that the survivors are trapped in "hell" or that they are all dead).
*Shrain crosses her fingers and hopes they pull it off*
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Incidentially, they emphatically denied that the survivors are trapped in "hell" or that they are all dead).
*Shrain crosses her fingers and hopes they pull it off*
I'm totally glad for that too; and it's true, they said that everything that's happened can be scientifically explained.
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Okay, we watched the episode last night (recorded it Wed.) and after watching it, Karen said "I am having a really hard time finding anything to like about these people anymore." I started feeling the same way after the Eco episode.
Everyone's a real stinker. With no sympathy for the characters, why should we continue to watch this show?
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Sadly, I have to agree a little. I mean, they keep sabotaging the characters. Sure, we expect them to have done crummy stuff in their past. Yet, in early episodes, we'd see them doing some good things now. But lately all we see is the characters doing stupid or cruel things--oh, with the exception of seeing Hurley and Sayid bonding a little.
Charlie is one of the most confusing, for instance. I'm so ticked by how he'd come so far and now he's becoming a vindictive jerk. >:( BUT maybe this is just a negative phase and we'll have some more sympathetic character plots developing soon...
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I think it's time for Sayid to step up and be a hero. He's always been cooler than Jack, anyway.
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And so much hotter that it barely even needs to be mentioned.
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I agree that Sayid is hunky. But I like clean-cut doctor types too.... ;)
Anyway, I've got my VCR all set for tonight so I can watch the new ep once I get back from my writing class. Plus, I bought some 50% off v-day candy to enjoy with my viewing. hehe. I know, I know, it's rather pathetic. But, hey, I take my fun where I can get it.
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Sawyer squished a poor frog with his bare hands! What a sick jerk. He needs to be voted *off* the island--preferably by an absurd accident. :P
Sayid's litmus test of determing honesty is . . . frightening but creepily compelling. (I really thought his acting, esp. when talking about burying Shannon, was intense and wonderfully done.)
I'm with Sayid: I think the hot air balloon guy is full of hot air. He's a scumbag Other.
And Charlie seems to be the favorite castaway collaborator.
But I've got to know what those symbols were on the countdown clock in the hatch!! Nothing exploded, but how come the clock reset itself even after the time ran out. I'm dying to know what the heck those could mean. Any pictographic interpreters in the house?
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I think it's time for Sayid to step up and be a hero. He's always been cooler than Jack, anyway.
Well, that'll teach me.
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So are you saying Sayid is or isn't being a hero by beating up Mr. Hot Air Balloon Man?
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Ok, as if mr. Henry Gale wasn't so obviously a cover name (He has the name of Dorothy's uncle? And he flew in a hot air balloon??) tonight he's totally proven it.
He's definitely an Other. I loved the look on his face when Mr. Eko came in though. Was tonight enough plot development for you guys?
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I wanted to know what happened to the people that took Claire. I mean did they pack up and go to another part of the island? There is only so much island? And why did they have all that baby stuff? I think they have a way to get on and off the island and aren't there all the time (or at least have a way to get supplies). Why did they want Aaron so much, though? What makes him so special?
So weird. I like the mystery though (as long as the end makes things make sense and doesn't seem contrived).
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What I found fascinating from last night is that it was the first episode to not do "pre-island" flashbacks. I really hope this trend continues, because as much as I like the characters, it's really about time to get some storytelling done. And this week's episode *definitely* threw some new twists into the plot.
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Four stars for this ep! It was so interesting. I'm VERY curious about the theatrical makeup and props that Kate found. Who's impersonating who? Plus, I, too, wonder where the Others went and if maybe they just "visit" the island. Hey, could be the whole island is this "lab," you know. That's definitely the feeling I got way back when we saw the Dharma filmstrip.
Fuzzy, you are brilliant. I *knew* I recognized that dude's name! lol. Anyway, I was convinced he was an Other when he gave the lame, vague story of his dead wife and Sayid flipped out. And did you see how he pushed Locke's "inferiority" button. grr. I *loved* the look on the balloon jerk's face when Echo talked to him. hehe.
Tage, I also thought it was great how all the flashbacks were limited to island time.
I'm so glad that Aaron's okay . . . for now. And Rouseau's daughter ain't dead after all. Even Sun's storyline is heating up. I hope she's pregnant--not sick. But, boy, she looked worried, not excited when she asked Sawyer for an EPT. huh. I got this slight "longing to be a mom" vibe from her in this ep, so I wonder about this next ep.
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Warning: Rampant speculation
The island host a vast quantity of some biologically engineered disease that probably has some magnetic properties. The button keeps the disease from being released. The others know this, but have already been infected. They have just enough vacination for themselves and a select few. In order for them to survive they need children (Walt, Aaron, and the children from the tail section). Since they are lacking sufficient resources to support a larger population, the plane crash survivors represent a huge threat. Hopefully the disease will kill them off. But the survivors keep pressing the button. Letting the timer run down once caused Aaron to get sick. Any longer and the whole camp would have died.
Yup, end of the world type stuff.
End speculating.
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Hey, that's not half bad! I've thought similar things.
BTW, it sure gave me the creeps to see Ethan with Claire. *shudder*
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I got this slight "longing to be a mom" vibe from her in this ep, so I wonder about this next ep.
Agreed, but I get that all the time. *sigh*
I'd be worried about being pregnant if I were her too. I mean, Jack's a great doctor and all, but...
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Letting the timer run down once caused Aaron to get sick. Any longer and the whole camp would have died.
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But he didn't die from it because he was vaccinated prenatally. I LIKE this theory! I will share with my friends
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But, boy, she looked worried, not excited when she asked Sawyer for an EPT.
When did she do that?? Not this episode. Either that, or I completely missed it, and I've fast forwarded through it again and Sawyer never shows up till Kate talks to him and asks for a gun.
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It was in the preview for the next episode (Sun asking Sawyer for the pregnancy test).
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They finally showed an episode where I was happy at the ending, not screaming to know more! ;) I love how Sawyer was able to (slightly) redeem his character. Did you see the look on his face when he offered his medicine for the baby? Such concern! There's hope for him yet.
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That concerned look was completely faked.
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You think so? I dunno about that because he suggested it so quickly it was more like a natural reaction/urge to help, I thought.
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He's a con man. Don't you think he would have learned to fake reactions to get what he wants? He sure seemed able to do it with the women he conned in the past. Emoting does not conotate honesty.
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Yeah, he's a con man. But in those situations where he made a fool out of various vixens, he had a bunch of planned moves and responses. He was working in a scheme that he set up. Of course, he's good at thinking on his feet, too. Otherwise his jobs wouldn't work.
But Aaron getting sick is a different situation. Sawyer was just minding his own business (for once) when Kate comes to get a gun; so he didn't *create* or orchestrate the situation. So while he does have quick reflexes for "emoting," his immediate reaction to offer the medicine is more likely genuine than his other con-related schemes.
Okay, maybe he was trying to make Kate like him again. (shrug) I realize even if he doesn't set up a situation, he'll still try to get what he wants--maybe not right away, but sooner or later. Still, I'm more inclined to think his offer of medicine was more sincere than not.
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I get the impression that many people want Sawyer to be a good guy. I think his actions clearly indicate that he is not. Bad people are allowed to have moments of sincerity and concern for others. It doesn't mean that they will change.
Sawyer wants power and he gets power by manipulating others. The means by which he manipulates others are both good and bad, but in the end he is bad.
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Amen! I don't *want* to like Sawyer, actually. But he does have his (rare) moments of humanity. lol. I'm not nearly as optimistic at Tekiel when it comes to Sawyer.
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I like Sawyer better than Locke, because at least Sawyer is HONEST about being a bad guy. Locke likes to pretend he's good but is really an *censored* a lot of the time. So who's really the more honest person? The con man or the hypocrite?
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See, I like Locke a lot more than Sawyer. I find Locke to be one of the more interesting characters. He's deluded often--mostly thinking that he's in charge when he isn't or that he's part of the loop when he isn't--but he tries to be just. He seems to really think that he's doing what is just for everyone. I don't really see Locke as being aware that he is hurting people by his secretness.
The writers obviously are trying to pattern Locke after Locke the philospher. I haven't decided yet if they are successful or not.
Sawyer should have been ostracized (both socially and physically) a long time ago.
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Well, you do have to wonder why they chose the name John Locke. I guess it could be coincidental, but I wonder if there is a connection between him and the philosopher.
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Well, you do have to wonder why they chose the name John Locke. I guess it could be coincidental, but I wonder if there is a connection between him and the philosopher.
Somehow I doubt it's coincidental, especially since Danielle's name is Rousseau. I'm glad there are still people out there who like Locke, so I won't feel so bad about hating the crap out of him. I have to tell you, when his legs finally give out in front of other people and he's taken down a notch I am going to cheer.
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Well, I think Locke's on the verge of a tantrum at least. The hot air balloon jerk knew exactly how to prey on Locke's inferiority complex, that's for sure. I see a meltdown in the future for him.
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So I just watched "The Whole Truth" yesterday.
Sad to say, I don't think Sun's telling the truth. Unless Sawyer's got a *paternity* test, though, I doubt Jin will ever find out. Still, it makes me sad. Not that I don't understand Sun's (likely) infidelity. However, it's awful that when they're finally working through things, a past mistake comes to complicate stuff. *sigh*
Oh, and I worry about what Sayid, Charlie, and Anna are going to run into. Won't be anything with a smiley face, I imagine. Not good.
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Two things: I loved that Sawyer was reading Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret, and that he said, when Sun asked him about his book, "Too predictable, and not nearly enough sex."
Also, I've been Netflixing Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and just started into Angel. Very first episode of Angel, very first scene, the first vampire that Angel's following is none other than Sawyer.
Secrets within secrets? I think so. Sawyer's really a vampire in disguise! ;)
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I don't know--she might be telling the truth. I want to believe she is . . . She was already telling him he was impotent, why not add on the fact that she'd slept around if that was the case? Might as well clean the whole closet at once.
And can I say I just want to see a good half hour with Sayid and the balloon man in the safe with no Jack to interfere? I hate that guy, and I'm convinced he's lying.
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Well, I want to believe Sun too and it's not like there haven't been other miracles. If Locke can go from wheelchair to walking, why couldn't Jin be cured of not being able to have children? And like Parker said, why would she tell him what the doctor said if she was going to lie about who the father was?
Also, think about the timing. Sure she could have been pregnant the whole time they've been on the island, but wouldn't she have noticed something sooner? I could be wrong, but I thought you started to get morning sickness within the first two weeks and they've been on the island for over 40 days, right? Could be wrong, never having been pregnant myself and all.
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I'm prone to believe the miracle child thing. I'm starting to suspect that the writers are setting up Sun and Jin so that the two don't leave the island with the rest of the group. Think about it, their lives before the island sucked. They are definitely better off on the Island, though they don't seem to realize it. Perhaps they are going to defect over to the others.
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I like the miracle plan, but I'm sorry. The look on Sun's face was just too much for me to believe it when she was hugging him at the end. They held the shot on her face too long. Flat out. So one of two things. I would personally like to believe she did not sleep with that guy, but obviously it's possible.
The OTHER option is that she decided she wanted a baby no matter what, and went to the doctor or another doctor and had it done artifically. If this were the case, the child wouldn't be his, but what she said to him wouldn't be a lie. Note she didn't swear that the child was Jin's just that she had never been with another man. I kinda like this one better than the affair option, but obviously I'm gunning for the miracle here.
My question. HOW DUMB does Charlie think Ana and Sayid are, if he has a gun on this little hike, and Sawyer is in charge of all the guns?? If he keeps doing dumb crap like that they're all going to know everything that happened in the Long Con before too long. *grumbles*
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I'm prone to believe the miracle child thing. I'm starting to suspect that the writers are setting up Sun and Jin so that the two don't leave the island with the rest of the group. Think about it, their lives before the island sucked. They are definitely better off on the Island, though they don't seem to realize it. Perhaps they are going to defect over to the others.
I agree that their life is better on the island, but that is not a place I'd want to raise children. I'd want them to have be able to have friends, and one day marry. I don't think that going to live with the Others is an option. If/when they get off the island, I would think they would just both go to the US. I'm sure Sun's father figures they died on the way over, so they would be free from his oppression and with Jin's business experience, they'd probably be all right (once he learns English, which he's starting to).
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Yeah, good point Tink. Sun's father doesn't have a reason to come after them if they're presumed dead. Of course, they'd need a low-profile rescue per se or else word of their survival would get out.
As for Charlie packing heat, fuzzy, I'm inclined to think that they wouldn't automatically assume that Charlie's in cahoots with Sawyer. Sawyer's not just hoarding the guns for fun but for a profit. Presumably, he's willing to give them to anyone who has something worth trading. So Sayid and Anna could guess that Charlie got the gun by any number of means that don't necessarily point to betrayal, right? At least that's how I thought about it. Anyhow, I'm very, very glad that Sayid has the gun now.
I don't know about the artificial insemination theory, but I definitely think that her expression and that oh-so-long camera shot point strongly to a half-truth on her part. We'll just have to wait and see.
I can't wait until they "deal" with that creepy guy. He's an Other, I know it, Parker Cottontail knows it, and it's just a matter of time before everyone figures it out. I hope.
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I think it will be a while still until Sun's father presumes that Sun and Jin are dead. He's in the mob where people fake their own deaths all the time in attempt to get out of mob. No body = no death.
Considering that Sun was planning to do exactly that, the concept can't be that unfamiliar to her father.
Shrain has apoint that if Sun and Jin leave on a rescue, chances of Sun's father not learning of their survival would be pretty slim.
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He's in the mob where people fake their own deaths all the time in attempt to get out of mob. No body = no death.
Hmm, you're right on that (except Sun was planning on running away, not faking her death). The other thing I would point out is that, in this particular scenario, a whole plane-full of people are involved, and Sun's dad would have to believe that his sweet daughter and her hubby are capable of making an entire plane vanish--even possibly killing them all--to get away from him. A rather showy and unlikely route, imo.
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The OTHER option is that she decided she wanted a baby no matter what, and went to the doctor or another doctor and had it done artifically. If this were the case, the child wouldn't be his, but what she said to him wouldn't be a lie. Note she didn't swear that the child was Jin's just that she had never been with another man. I kinda like this one better than the affair option, but obviously I'm gunning for the miracle here.
I lean more toward the "miracle of the island" theory, or if the Others had something to do with this. Sun was planning to run away. This was not a time for her to want to be pregnant. Plus, she was willing to go to Sawyer for a pregnancy test, something she obviously didn't want to do. If she had artificial insemination then she wouldn't have gone to Sawyer.
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If she had artificial insemination then she wouldn't have gone to Sawyer.
Not that the artifical insemination is my favored theory, BUT it doesn't preclude her needing a pregnancy test. Those proceedures are far from 100% successful, and she would want to be sure that the "sickeness" she felt was from being pregnant.
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I'm sure this won't make much difference to those of you who are set against Sawyer, but I'm rewatching Season tonight and you should see the look on his face when he tries to kill the dying marshal and gets his lung. Sorry, I think there's a good guy buried in Sawyer somewhere.
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Two best lines of the evening:
"Put your mangos where your mouth is."
(and the best by far)
"Do you guys want me to go get a ruler?"
Also - Locke's dad is SO going to turn out to be the original Mr. Sawyer.
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Also - Locke's dad is SO going to turn out to be the original Mr. Sawyer.
Whoa. Never thought of that! Yet it would fit so perfectly.
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Holy crap, that's bloody brilliant! You know, I thought a little about how odd it was that Locke's dad is a con artist, as is Sawyer and whoever the guy was who duped his folks. But, man, that's gotta be it.
One other thing I gotta say: Sayid is awesome. I *knew* he'd dig up the grave, just to be sure. hooray!
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I have to say, the line:
"Do you guys want me to go get a ruler?"
is probably the funniest we've had from the show so far.
And having John's father be the original Mr. Sawyer would be very interesting, but all that would have happened a LONG time before all the stuff with John. Still, he's shown that he's a con man.
Also, I KNEW that guy was lying. Dirty rat.
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I personally would've taken the money, given it back to the men and said that you were given information after your dad's death saying where it was and whose it was. Then if that didn't get them to go away, I'd rat out my dad. I mean the guy's a real jerk. It also would've prevented Helen from leaving which leads to a very sad John later on (and one who thinks he's dating a 1-900 chick). So sad!
I have been thinking to myself, though, that even if they did find the balloon, and the grave, and it really was his wife (and not the real Henry Gale) that he could still be an Other, right? I mean not at first, but they could've found him and told him if he wanted to live he'd have to help them. And then they'd brainwash him till he was one of them. So how does the balloon story really prove he's not one of the Others?
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One of the few things we know about the Others is that they don't take adults. So if his story had panned out, I think they'd have believed him.
His story didn't pan out, though. :)
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One of the few things we know about the Others is that they don't take adults.
Really? Why did the tail section lose most of their members then? Remember the list?
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Human sacrifices?
Well shoot, I forgot about those people. They've made a point of showing that they keep the kids they kidnap, though. Who knows what they did with the adults.
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Maybe the "kidnapped" people weren't helping the experiment any, so the grabbed them and sent them home.
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Was it someone here who swore that a food airdrop was going to happen? I can't remember if it's here or at work, but whoever it was got it dead right. How weird is that?
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No, it's a new reality TV show. Everyone at home is watching this all happen with hidden cameras! . . . Well, it's true, we are.
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Was it someone here who swore that a food airdrop was going to happen?
I dunno, but I do know that I'm eager to see the "food fight" ensue next week. The food drop thing was *quite* the interesting development. I'm so curious about how connected the Others are to the Dharma experiment's founders and how much contact the Others actually have with the outside world.
Was the food drop an "automated" type of response, set up and delivered by the same power source that keeps the hatch running? Oh, and what's with the blacklight etchings on the hatch blast doors? Who would've put those there? I'm also wondering if the Other masquerading as Henry Gale is the one who made the doors go back up. As for this twerp, I can't wait to see the smackdown, Sayid style! ;D
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I figured it out on Friday--it was someone at work. They also posted at work a picture of the map and a breakdown of what it said. I'll pass that along tomorrow if I think of it.
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Best quotes from the "Dave" episode.
Hugo: "Did either of you guys see a guy run past here? Wearing a bathrobe?"
Charlie: "No, but I saw a polar bear on roller blades with a mango."
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Sawyer to Hugo: I'm done with tradin'. I've got enough good to start a mini mart. Hey, you think Sayid needs a job?"
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I realized this morning why it was so funny to watch Jin stand by laughing while Hugo beat up on Sawyer. It's because Jin actually LIKES Sawyer, more than most people on the island, and he still thought it was really funny.
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I think Jin likes *both* Sawyer and Hugo, and knows them both well, and probably was thinking that eventually someone was going to get that frustrated with Sawyer but didn't expect it to be Hugo, the nicest guy on the island?
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Oh, and speaking of Jin, I just saw him in an episode of Angel. He was a lawyer from Wolfram and Hart. I think it's fun how I've seen both Sawyer and Jin in that show as bit parts.
This episode didn't really move the plot forward the way I'd like, but it sure is intriguing, in a House of Usher kind of way, that the whole thing might be in Hugo's head back in the mental asylum.
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This episode didn't really move the plot forward the way I'd like, but it sure is intriguing, in a House of Usher kind of way, that the whole thing might be in Hugo's head back in the mental asylum.
I was amused by the suggestion, but I feel that it's no more than a bad joke, as the writers know exactly how rabid their fanbase is and don't want to wind up dead after pulling a "Patrick Duffy ala Dallas".
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So as of today, all of my instructors have used Lost as an example in class. Todays example revolved around discussing wether or not we would diagnose Hurley as schizophrenic.
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Aw, poor Hurley. He's bonkers and so is his hot new gf!
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Ya, but in time, the island will fix them. It fixes everyone. ;D
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So, Rose saw John in his wheelchair. How interesting! It just proves that the island can heal, but at the same time, the guy in Australia said that certain places are right for certain people, so who knows if the island is the right place for everyone.
I find it intersting that the healer dude was "needed" to heal people in his place, but the island didn't need nobody to help in the healing process.
What I don't think I could stand is to go that long without milk! Love the stuff. What's the point of cereal without the milk with it? I guess without refrigeration or a cow, it's kind of hard, though. The only way to get milk would be from Claire, and somehow I don't think she'd appreciate it.
So Michael is back. I was excited about that. I really hope he can help them get to the Others and maybe find out what's going on!
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I've missed Michael! He really was such an important part of the combination of characters. I'm glad they finally started talking about Walt again, too. At the beginning of the season, or perhaps more the middle, it was as if they'd forgotten he existed.
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I want Walt to come back. I liked him.
I now like Bernard and Rose more, though they are both still pig-headed.
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That's funny, I never did like Michael. His character isn't very consistent, and hasn't ever been very smart, either.
Still, it'll be interesting to get the "flashback" of what's been happening to him.
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Three words:
Disco Party Kegger
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I don't miss Michael so much as I miss Walt. His "powers" were spooky, and I wanted to know more. Michael, though, is so uptight and, to echo what Tage said, he's annoyingly dense in some ways.
I for one appreciated the Rose/Bernard tangent. The energy field thing is intriguing though some of the details are puzzling, as Tink pointed out. I still theorize that the smoke-monster is some kind of sentient being (maybe from earth or not, who knows) that's been trapped on the island somehow by the Others or the creators of the Dharma experiment (if they're not the same group of people).
As for the fake Henry, I can't believe how stupid Anna continues to be! aaaagh! Based on the teaser for this week's ep, her incompetence will allow him to escape. >:( Darn and I was looking forward to a Sayid smackdown!
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The fact that we now have two people healed makes me believe even more that Jin was healed and that's how Sun got pregnant. I think there is something she's hiding, but I don't think that means she necessarily lied about not being with another man.
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The fact that we now have two people healed makes me believe even more that Jin was healed and that's how Sun got pregnant. I think there is something she's hiding, but I don't think that means she necessarily lied about not being with another man.
She's definitely hiding something, but I wish we knew what it was. I don't want it to wreck what they've healed of their relationship. I know that the show has done me right so far but I've been burned too much by crap like 24. >:(
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Ack, 24!! :P I used to adore that show. Now it's so freakin' dumb...
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Was there a new one this week? No need looking for it if they didn't.
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Alas, there is to be no new Lost for us until May 3.
They're doing something with Alias in the meantime, as I recall from the ABC commercials, and I swear to the gods of acting that Jennifer Garner is capable of only two facial expressions and only uses one of them in the show Alias.
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LMAO!! I feel the SAME way about Jennifer Garner! How does she keep getting work???
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I think that Jennifer Garner is an okay actor. She would be a much better actor if she gained (and kept) about 15 pounds so she has more facial muscle to move around.
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Those misbegotten cretins! How dare they give us a Hanso Foundation commercial mid-Lost with a toll-free number that doesn't GIVE you anything? But yet a website that asks you for the password from the phone center??
*wah*
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Oh the trauma.
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Waaaa! Tivo stopped recording in the last TWO MINUTES of the show! Now I have to go download the rest of it so I know why Michael was saying "I'm sorry" to Ana. I didn't read anything, but I think they made Michael into an Other and he killed Ana Lucia to get Henry free or something. Augh!
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Waaa! I didn't want to be right!
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I stumbled around the house in shock after last night's episode. While Ana Lucia is definitely dead, it's hard to tell whether Libby's wounds were fatal. Of course, they kind of have to be, because she knows about Michael.
I don't know, I'm so confused now.
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Libby is going to be in a coma for a few episodes I think. Then she's going to have some psychotic episode for a while just so she can't say anything about Michael. So I'm speculating.
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I'm sticking to my original theory that there are dinosaurs on the island, and it is all a really long and ambiguous Jurassic park 4.
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Agreed, on Libby - Ana Lucia "finished" her story - we haven't even seen any Libby flashbacks yet have we? Something more's gotta happen with Libby.
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She may be in a coma for a while, but I don't see Michael letting her live. The preview for next week had a very scary looking Michael in it. Though I agree that there's a chance he can't kill her yet, since all we know about her is she's a psych ward patient. Maybe Hurley will come to her rescue. :)
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Yet another reason to dislike Michael. Arrrrgh! Now he's an "Ethan," basically. Drat it, drat it, drat it! I wish I'd been able to see the preview, but iTunes doesn't include that. :( At least now I have my VCR hooked up right and know how to set the cable and VCR so it'll actually tape stuff!
I am hoping Libby survives to talk yet I think Michael will contrive some way to get to her. Can't say I'm sorry to see Anna Lucia go. :P
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You can see the preview on ABC.com.
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I am hoping Libby survives to talk yet I think Michael will contrive some way to get to her. Can't say I'm sorry to see Anna Lucia go. :P
Oh, I don't know - I imagine Michael will get locked up in the gun vault next.
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If you watch the preview there is a very short clip of Hurley looking up as he's holding someone's hand. Libby waking up??
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Oh, I don't know - I imagine Michael will get locked up in the gun vault next.
One can only hope! My fervent wish is that Sayid is his usual suspicious self after the attack...
Oh, thanks Stacer. For some reason, I thought the preview wasn't available on ABC's site. I swear a couple months back I tried to watch a preview and couldn't find it as an option.
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I finally got through on the Hanso Foundation number.
(1-877-426-7674, FYI). Now I need someone who speaks French to call in and tell me what they heck they're saying when you press 1 for "General Information". There seem to be messages in other languages as well, but I have no idea what they are.
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I'm sure there will be transcripts on the net soon.
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Ok, someone on an LJ community mentioned this so i can't take credit for using my brain on this.
But Libby dies before her cryptic message is understood. BUT - did the log Eko took from the Pearl station have what Michael did on it? Was it caught on film anywhere? THey will figure this out somehow.
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All I can say is that it's very sneaky of them to start including clues during the commercial break.
Is it just me or haven't we seen all of the Hanso Executives before? http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
Also, sign up for the newsletter, it's really worth it.
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I dunno. This is becoming way complicated. Every single one of the Hanso Foundation's "Current Projects" is something affecting someone on the island, I think. The wellness project is affecting John and what's-her-name, the wife. The electromagnetics project is the hatch. And so forth. This is very weird, and though I don't mind weird, I don't want to have to go calling phone numbers and looking things up on the web just to figure out the show.
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All I can say is that it's very sneaky of them to start including clues during the commercial break.
I thought that was the point; that's what they're doing during the break this summer - "The Lost Experience". Like a whole summer of viral marketing. It includes the novel Bad Twin, the commercials, and apparentlly a string of websites.
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I'm with Stacer. I don't want to have to do research this summer just to enjoy my favorite show. I'd like to just watch and find out by watching it.
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Hey, I have the other people on the internet to do all the work for me.
http://jayandjack.com/wiki/index.php?title=The_Lost_Experience
at least it will keep me interested this summer.
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Seriously you guys, there's no reason to do any work if you don't want to. Lots of other people will, and after a bit the whole deal will be all over the internet.
I can't believe they killed Libby.
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Yeah, it's good to know I won't have to do any leg work to figure out what's up with the show. But, still.... I think it's more a weakness (a commercial one, I'd say) than a strength for the show to need outside "props/gimmicks" like this, you know. Like a book you can't understand unless you read all the guy's sources or the appendix. An appendix should provide extra, interesting stuff but not something vital. You don't put whodunnit in the footnotes, you write it into the chapter!
I'm gonna miss Libby. Poor Hurley! Just when he might get a girlfriend! Anyhow, I am more curious than ever to know WHY they are pushing the button if doing so is more than just the behavior experiment.
I doubt that Michael's attack was recorded, unfortunately. Lots of the TVs weren't working and I bet a lot of the VCRs would be in bad repair. I can't believe the one in there still worked, what with the mega dust deposits. I just want so much for Jack to realize that what Michael says is too good to be true!
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Ok, two things: why did they take Michael's blood - paternity test? Will this be like Pretender with Jared's father?
Is Vincent bad luck, or what? When I saw him tonight, I thought man - first Walt has Vincent, he gets kidnapped. Then Shannon has Vincent, she dies. Then Ana Lucia takes care of him, she dies... Don't adopt that dog, man!
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Now I want them to do an episode about Vincent's past, with lots of pre-crash flashbacks.
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Obviously this is from last season, but I hadn't seen this commercial before.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5gg9NdnExGM&search=lost%20promo%20finale
Of course it's a football commercial. Which would be probably why I never saw it.
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Ok, two things: why did they take Michael's blood - paternity test?
That's possible. I was thinking maybe they wanted to see if he was infected with whatever disease/virus is on the island. Not sure, though.
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Two whole hours of Lost tonight! Yay!
Except then we won't have any news ones until the fall. *sigh*
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Wait. Today's Tuesday.
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heh. I meant *tomorrow* night. See, I forget that not everyone has the TimeJumper 8000 at home like I do.
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You honestly had me confused for a while there. As I was leaving work to go volunteer at the library, it occurred to me that if Lost was on tonight, I was a day late for the library, and that was a bad thing. I had to think about it for a while, and remember that the day before really was Monday and I hadn't lost a day.
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Clancy Brown is the bomb.
http://www.hansocareers.com/jobsearch.asp
Anyone want a job with Hanso?
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I'm so applying for that Art Therapist position.
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I just can't imagine that Michael and Walt are gone for good. I mean, what's the point of having weird stuff happen with Walt if we never get to find out what is going on with that? Although, if I were in Michael's position, I would just get the heck out of there and go home. And at the same time, I was thinking about how I'd live with myself, knowing what I'd done, and I don't think I could. I think I'd have to go back and help them out if I could. I don't know. But then there's Walt to think about.
So I'm wondering what Sayid is going to do to help them out. And what is the deal with the 4-toed statue! Atlantis? That is what I was thinking when I saw it.
You'd think if that code really needed to be entered, the designers of the program would be able to create a program to enter in the numbers automatically. I didn't really understand what was going on there cause I'm not much of a science person.
Overall, I'm getting even more excited than before!
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Well I've read that Michael is just going to guest star next season instead of being a regular, so I imagine we'll get *something*.
I'm soooo happy for Charlie and Claire! Hooray for fanservice! And Desmond is really hot with short hair.
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So much of it just doesn't make any sense.
Oh well.
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I'm soooo happy for Charlie and Claire!
Really? Cause Charlie's been bugging me quite a bit lately. He seems to me to be somewhat psychotic with huge emotional swings. I was agreeing with Claire for pushing him away. I think she only took him back cause he gave her some vaccine. Doesn't seem like a good reason to have a romance with someone. Friendship maybe, a second chance, probably, but a romance? No.
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Oh, please like the characters on this show have had a good track record with making smart choices and getting into healthy relationships. I just think Charlie's had a crappy time of it and he at least deserves to be Claire's friend. Especially since he's so smitten with Aaron.
As much as I'm a Lost junkie, I'm trying not to get too into any of the characters because they're apparently all expendable.
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See, even I was happy for Charlie and Claire. I at least want them to be amiable to each other. I can't really disagree that Charlie hasn't been unstable latley, but he never has been a stable character. Claire isn't exactly the model of stability herself, she's acts like an idiot 90% of the time. So why can't the two be together?
I think Michael and Walt are going to show up in the next season. Especially now that they are introducing characters off the Island who are looking for the Island.
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Yeah, that whole thing made me wonder if Penelope, was it?, if her father was involved in Desmond getting pulled to the island. How else would Penelope know what to look for? But even if he is involved, still, how would Penelope know what to look for? I'm sure it will make sense once we know, but how strange!
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Well at least we know now that the island is somewhere detectable in some manner by people in the real world.
I kind of liked the Purgatory explanation though, since before, it seemed like people died when they had worked out their issues.
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I kind of liked the Purgatory explanation though, since before, it seemed like people died when they had worked out their issues.
Uh, Libby?
Anyway, I sincerely hope Walt and Michael are never seen again. Michael has always bugged the crap out of me, particularly now that he's a heartless murderer, and Walt's mysterious powers were more frustrating than interesting. I'd much rather find out what the deal is with the island.
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Before. :)