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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Pygmalion on July 09, 2008, 10:45:23 PM
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I just saw this posted on Brandon's website. Like, woah. Bloody amazing, flipping sweet... pick your adjectives! October cannot come soon enough for me.
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my god that is horrible and disgusting...and yet i am so excited for MB3!!! Also to me it kinda rules out the theories of balance between Preservation and Ruin. Ruin is unquestionably presented as evil, and Preservation as a shield protecting everyone.
Also i just thought of something....if TLR touched Preservation in the Well, why would he create a sect of superhuman warriors who are being controlled by Ruin? perhaps since Ruin was still trapped in the Well it couldnt control the Inquisitors...
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I don't think the lord ruler fully understood what he was doing, and I think perhaps both Ruin and Preservation are evil in their extremes, and the "good" is the balance between the two.
Well now we know something more about hemalurgy, the spike have to go through the sacrifice (at least the first one does before it enters the body, and the inquisitors are using the keepers as their sacrifices!
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That is....well, just....wow. I agree...I can't wait for October. I am so glad it is soon :)
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Soon there's months left to wait! I freaked out so much when I read this, I was going crazy, I'm so excited now that I can hardly sit still! I've been starved of mistborn for so long (new mistborn) I can hardly wait!!!!!!!1
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So, after reading the prologue, I decided to make a list of all the facts I could squeeze out of it.
1. Ruin has control over an Inquisitor's body and almost-total control over their mind, when it is possessing them.
2. It is possible for a Steel Inquisitor to resist Ruin's control over their mind for brief periods of time.
3. There is probably no way to stop Ruin's ability to control an Inquisitor other than death.
4. The wounds caused by an Inquisitor's spikes do not bleed.
5. The spikes give an Inquisitor power.
6. Inquisitors have access to Allomantic abilities. ("Everything was outlined in fine blue Allomantic lines . . . ")
7. Ruin likes to hear his prisoner's scream and enjoys causing pain.
8. Inquisitors have steel spikes through their eyes, and at least one brass spike in their chest.
9. Making (Or possibly just enhancing) an Inquisitor requires killing a sacrifice.
10. Ruin is free, but cannot directly affect the world too much while the other entity (Preservation) is free.
11. Vin freed Ruin, who is now looking for something to increase his power. (Something to seal away Preservation?)
12. The spike used in this ceremony must be driven point-first through the Keeper's heart into the Inquisitor.
13. The Keepers are being interrogated about the Synod, then used as sacrifices.
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Don't forget that the spikes are most definitely for hemalurgy, and that Ruin finds Hemalurgy to be fun. I don't know that it's significant that the man was a keeper as far as hemalurgy goes so much as information wise. They just wanted info on the Synod, and then used the keeper as a sacrifice.
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I figured the Ruin enjoying Hemalurgy part to fit under number seven, so I didn't include it's own point.
I agree that they could very well just be using what they have in terms of prisoners, although it would make sense with the Lord Ruler saying "[Inquisitors] are hard to replace" if they needed a feruchemist to make each new inquisitor. It's not that hard to believe that during his whole rule the Lord Ruler found thirty or so keepers to sacrifice.
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That's true. And sorry, I missed number seven or I wouldn't have included that either.
I agree that it's possible that it requires a feruchemist to make an inquisitor. However, I personally (still) think it more likely that he's referring to the fact that you have to get 11 spikes into their bodies without killing them, and apparently going through the correct organs of the sacrifice(s). Sounds fairly difficult. But yes, it is possible.
Thoughts, anyone else?
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We all seem to connect hemalurgy with allomancy, but could it instead be derived from feruchemy? From Alendi's journal it would seem that feruchemy was the first magic system to exist (it depends on what you think is meant by the hero's piercings) What if feruchemy is related to Preservation, as it deals with conserving existing attributes or memorizing information, but then Ruin created its own twisted version which it called hemalurgy?
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Soon there's months left to wait! I freaked out so much when I read this, I was going crazy, I'm so excited now that I can hardly sit still! I've been starved of mistborn for so long (new mistborn) I can hardly wait!!!!!!!1
Right around 100 days to go... I've started marking them off on my calendar.
That opening line though: "Marsh struggled to kill himself." Woooooow.....
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I have a feeling that the Inquisitors will play a key roll in the downfall of Ruin.
Side Note: Brandon is a cruel cruel man to taunt us like this. He just KNOWS the theories are gonna fly and everyone will argue. J/K Although it is mean. xD
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That's true. And sorry, I missed number seven or I wouldn't have included that either.
I agree that it's possible that it requires a feruchemist to make an inquisitor. However, I personally (still) think it more likely that he's referring to the fact that you have to get 11 spikes into their bodies without killing them, and apparently going through the correct organs of the sacrifice(s). Sounds fairly difficult. But yes, it is possible.
Thoughts, anyone else?
I'm with you on this one and don't think that it requires a feruchemist to make an inquisitor. I think that Marsh and the inquisitors, in the prologue, kidnapped a keeper to question him about what Ruin requires to be completely free. Then after not getting the information needed, Ruin felt a little bloodletting was in order and why not add to the ranks of the inquisitors while said bloodletting ensued.
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Wow! What a great action packed way to start the Hero of Ages. I am really pleased that TenSoon's story is continued and hope he gets many more chapters in this book as he's probably my favourite character in the book.
I'm a bit in doubt on wether or not I like Elend as an extremely powerful mistborn, even more powerful than Vin. I liked Elend's vulnerability, which also made Vin more vulnerable. But I guess we'll just have to see how Brandon handles this in the rest of the book.
I almost can't wait till the Hero of Ages comesout. October is still an age away, but it's still better than October 2009. :)
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Wow! What a great action packed way to start the Hero of Ages. I am really pleased that TenSoon's story is continued and hope he gets many more chapters in this book as he's probably my favourite character in the book.
Don't get me wrong, I loved TenSoon, he's my favorite character, but WHERE exactly does it say he will be in the third book?
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This only makes waiting harder >.<;
So, of course, I loved it! ^__^
I don't think a feruchemist is required to make Inquisitors. It would just be... bad planning I guess. The Lord Ruler spent a great deal of effort to (unsuccessfully) breed feruchemy out of the Terrismen, so it wouldn't make sense to require it for his most powerful servants. It would make them completely irreplaceable (if his plans worked). And since they have a weakness and can be killed (even if it is really hard and unlikely), he'd eventually run out.
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My thoughts exactly. As stated earlier, I think it's just not very fun to perform the actual ceremony. Unless you're Ruin.
Wow! What a great action packed way to start the Hero of Ages. I am really pleased that TenSoon's story is continued and hope he gets many more chapters in this book as he's probably my favourite character in the book.
Don't get me wrong, I loved TenSoon, he's my favorite character, but WHERE exactly does it say he will be in the third book?
I was kind of wondering that myself. That and the fact that Elend is more powerful than Vin. That makes sense, but at the same time, I don't recall reading it anywhere...
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If it doesn't require a feruchemist to make an SI would using them make a super SI?! I think that a feruchemist is needed, as it seems they have some feruchemy attributes.
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I'm not sure where the Tensoon/Elend stuff came from as well, however, I can verify that Tensoon will have his own PoV chapters in the 3rd book. Brandon mentioned this at a book signing in Denver last year. He also said it would be a "War Epic" and mentioned a few other things that I think are now common knowledge (such as it taking place a year after the second one).
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If it doesn't require a feruchemist to make an SI would using them make a super SI?! I think that a feruchemist is needed, as it seems they have some feruchemy attributes.
BUT! If it took Feruchemists to make normal ones wouldn't TLR wanted to have tried to make MORE Feruchemists, not less?
Also, I kinda agree with your first point. I believe that the first idea sounds good. I mean, maybe TLR was AFRAID that Feruchemists would become SI and that would make them have similar abilities as he does.
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If it doesn't require a feruchemist to make an SI would using them make a super SI?! I think that a feruchemist is needed, as it seems they have some feruchemy attributes.
I personally believe that the sacrifice does need to meet certain character qualities to be used as a sacrifice, but I don't think they have to be a feruchemist (or a mistborn/misting). Here's my main line of reasoning against that particular theory.
So say that it works as you say, and they get their feruchemy attributes from a feruchemist. It would follow, then, that they receive their allomancy attributes from allomancers, right? So say you capture 10 mistings (or mistborn) and a feruchemist for your sacrifices. This should theoretically give you all of the power that the standard mistborn has, plus feruchemial ability, correct?
Now for the problem. Inquisitors are known as very strong allomancers. VERY strong. And we can infer from information provided that strength in allomancy is determined by the purity of the bloodline. This is also what determines whether one is a mistborn or a misting. So if you are getting your power from mistings, you should theoretically only have as much power as they do, as you obtained the power from the same bloodline they did. Mistings are more skilled with metals they work with, yes, but not stronger. Even if you used mistborn, it wouldn't work. Today's mistborn are not as strong as inquisitors either. We don't know how feruchemy works as far as genetics goes, but it doesn't work for allomancy.
Another question, assuming that I'm wrong, would a feruchemist give one feruchemial power or all of them?
And I don't think that using someone with stronger feruchemial or allomantic abilities would increase your power, because I don't agree with this particular theory. If you do agree with it, then I would say the stronger your sacrifices, the stronger you will be. Which raises an interesting question.
What happens if the sacrifice used to create an inquisitor is already a hemalurgist?
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The only ability we see from feruchemy in SI's is the rapid healing, otherwise it appears they have allomantic abilities.
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The only ability we see from feruchemy in SI's is the rapid healing, otherwise it appears they have allomantic abilities.
Perhaps this is because they are all made from Allomancers, and that the ones that ARE made from Feruchemists gain those types of abilities instead. (I.E. TLR) And that's why he wanted to get rid of Feruchemists.
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The magic systems are all separate but closely related, that's what Brandon said right? Makes sense that Hemalurgy is made with a combination of the 2 but uses the magic differently. 1 feruchemist for the rapid healing, only attribute we've seen from them so far, and 10 mistings OR that magic metal for the other powers
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these are all great ideas but somehow i get the idea we are all WAAY off. We are missing that one vital piece that puts the rest of the puzzle in perspective... ???
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We need hero of ages!!! oct. 20 can't come soon enough
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the 14th, actually. See this (http://www.amazon.com/Hero-Ages-Book-Three-Mistborn/dp/0765316897) amazon page. Brandon said the 14th at a signing too.
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Sick nasty! have to change my countdown now... lol
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Sick nasty! have to change my countdown now... lol
"Sick nasty?" ROFL!
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Don't make fun of my lingo! ;)
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Wait... ELend is more powerful than Vin?
I'm not sure if I like that
I'm not sure if I like that at all... *angry face*
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Wait... ELend is more powerful than Vin?
I'm not sure if I like that
I'm not sure if I like that at all... *angry face*
Well it WOULD make sense if you consider these facts.
Mistborn were more powerful before the power went through numerous generations.
TLR created Mistborn with this 15th metal.
Elend took in the 15th metal.
SO, he would be strong.
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However, he would be more inexperienced. Not saying much, since in a year's time, he could be AMAZING. But it does make sense for him to be powerful, since there's no genetic dilution at all.
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Yes, and considering that the next time we get to see him will be a year after the end of WoA. . . .
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A politician with REAL power... He's got my vote come november
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Wow! What a great action packed way to start the Hero of Ages. I am really pleased that TenSoon's story is continued and hope he gets many more chapters in this book as he's probably my favourite character in the book.
Don't get me wrong, I loved TenSoon, he's my favorite character, but WHERE exactly does it say he will be in the third book?
Chapter two is about TenSoon. From the 'cliffhanger' at the end it's clear that there will be several more TenSoon/Kandra chapters...oh goodie!
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Wow! What a great action packed way to start the Hero of Ages. I am really pleased that TenSoon's story is continued and hope he gets many more chapters in this book as he's probably my favourite character in the book.
Don't get me wrong, I loved TenSoon, he's my favorite character, but WHERE exactly does it say he will be in the third book?
Chapter two is about TenSoon. From the 'cliffhanger' at the end it's clear that there will be several more TenSoon/Kandra chapters...oh goodie!
Where are you getting this information?
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Wow! What a great action packed way to start the Hero of Ages. I am really pleased that TenSoon's story is continued and hope he gets many more chapters in this book as he's probably my favourite character in the book.
Don't get me wrong, I loved TenSoon, he's my favorite character, but WHERE exactly does it say he will be in the third book?
Chapter two is about TenSoon. From the 'cliffhanger' at the end it's clear that there will be several more TenSoon/Kandra chapters...oh goodie!
Where are you getting this information?
What...the..??? You have to be reading something different than the rest of us. The cliffhanger? Where? In what? Clear that there will be several chapters? How are you getting to these conclusions?
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Perhaps they're already uploaded to the website, and he's guessing the URLs? (I looked around a bit but couldn't find them.)
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My apologies for the confusion. After I read the Well of Ascension I wanted to read the sample chapters that were mentioned in the back of the book. I couldn't find them on Brandon's site so I mailed him to ask after the whereabouts of the sample chapters. Brandon was kind enough to mail them to me and I thought he had also uploaded them all to his site. Though I just checked and it's only the Prologue so far, with the other chapters coming later.
I have to say this makes me feel quite special. That doesn't happen too often in my life. Thank you for that Brandon! :D
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Ahhh. That makes so much more sense!
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HaHa
Now that we're all on the same page. I'm excited for there being chapters from TenSoon's point of view. I <3 him.
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lol ok, yeah TenSoon rocks i want to know more about what its like shapeshifting.
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My apologies for the confusion. After I read the Well of Ascension I wanted to read the sample chapters that were mentioned in the back of the book. I couldn't find them on Brandon's site so I mailed him to ask after the whereabouts of the sample chapters. Brandon was kind enough to mail them to me and I thought he had also uploaded them all to his site. Though I just checked and it's only the Prologue so far, with the other chapters coming later.
I have to say this makes me feel quite special. That doesn't happen too often in my life. Thank you for that Brandon! :D
Yeah, Brandon is pretty awesome in this way. I don't know of any other Authors that are so willing to put their stuff out there for other people to read like Brandon does.
There is even a full copy of MB3: HOA floating around out there that one of his fans won at the pre-release of MB2. Everyone that bought a copy of MB2 was entered in a raffle, and then he raffled it off along with a few other things. Aside from being a one of a kind copy that was printed out with hand written red editing marks on it, it was also signed by Brandon and I believe he said it was the first copy of MB3 to be signed ever. So one (insanely) lucky fan was holding a full copy of MB3 before the populous even got a chance to read MB2.
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My apologies for the confusion. After I read the Well of Ascension I wanted to read the sample chapters that were mentioned in the back of the book. I couldn't find them on Brandon's site so I mailed him to ask after the whereabouts of the sample chapters. Brandon was kind enough to mail them to me and I thought he had also uploaded them all to his site. Though I just checked and it's only the Prologue so far, with the other chapters coming later.
I have to say this makes me feel quite special. That doesn't happen too often in my life. Thank you for that Brandon! :D
Yeah, Brandon is pretty awesome in this way. I don't know of any other Authors that are so willing to put their stuff out there for other people to read like Brandon does.
There is even a full copy of MB3: HOA floating around out there that one of his fans won at the pre-release of MB2. Everyone that bought a copy of MB2 was entered in a raffle, and then he raffled it off along with a few other things. Aside from being a one of a kind copy that was printed out with hand written red editing marks on it, it was also signed by Brandon and I believe he said it was the first copy of MB3 to be signed ever. So one (insanely) lucky fan was holding a full copy of MB3 before the populous even got a chance to read MB2.
Totally not fair.
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My apologies for the confusion. After I read the Well of Ascension I wanted to read the sample chapters that were mentioned in the back of the book. I couldn't find them on Brandon's site so I mailed him to ask after the whereabouts of the sample chapters. Brandon was kind enough to mail them to me and I thought he had also uploaded them all to his site. Though I just checked and it's only the Prologue so far, with the other chapters coming later.
I have to say this makes me feel quite special. That doesn't happen too often in my life. Thank you for that Brandon! :D
Yeah, Brandon is pretty awesome in this way. I don't know of any other Authors that are so willing to put their stuff out there for other people to read like Brandon does.
There is even a full copy of MB3: HOA floating around out there that one of his fans won at the pre-release of MB2. Everyone that bought a copy of MB2 was entered in a raffle, and then he raffled it off along with a few other things. Aside from being a one of a kind copy that was printed out with hand written red editing marks on it, it was also signed by Brandon and I believe he said it was the first copy of MB3 to be signed ever. So one (insanely) lucky fan was holding a full copy of MB3 before the populous even got a chance to read MB2.
Totally not fair.
I concur.
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My apologies for the confusion. After I read the Well of Ascension I wanted to read the sample chapters that were mentioned in the back of the book. I couldn't find them on Brandon's site so I mailed him to ask after the whereabouts of the sample chapters. Brandon was kind enough to mail them to me and I thought he had also uploaded them all to his site. Though I just checked and it's only the Prologue so far, with the other chapters coming later.
I have to say this makes me feel quite special. That doesn't happen too often in my life. Thank you for that Brandon! :D
Yeah, Brandon is pretty awesome in this way. I don't know of any other Authors that are so willing to put their stuff out there for other people to read like Brandon does.
There is even a full copy of MB3: HOA floating around out there that one of his fans won at the pre-release of MB2. Everyone that bought a copy of MB2 was entered in a raffle, and then he raffled it off along with a few other things. Aside from being a one of a kind copy that was printed out with hand written red editing marks on it, it was also signed by Brandon and I believe he said it was the first copy of MB3 to be signed ever. So one (insanely) lucky fan was holding a full copy of MB3 before the populous even got a chance to read MB2.
Totally not fair.
I concur.
Your tellin' me. The ticket that won was 1 number lower than mine (i.e. the guy in front of me in line got it).
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My apologies for the confusion. After I read the Well of Ascension I wanted to read the sample chapters that were mentioned in the back of the book. I couldn't find them on Brandon's site so I mailed him to ask after the whereabouts of the sample chapters. Brandon was kind enough to mail them to me and I thought he had also uploaded them all to his site. Though I just checked and it's only the Prologue so far, with the other chapters coming later.
I have to say this makes me feel quite special. That doesn't happen too often in my life. Thank you for that Brandon! :D
Yeah, Brandon is pretty awesome in this way. I don't know of any other Authors that are so willing to put their stuff out there for other people to read like Brandon does.
There is even a full copy of MB3: HOA floating around out there that one of his fans won at the pre-release of MB2. Everyone that bought a copy of MB2 was entered in a raffle, and then he raffled it off along with a few other things. Aside from being a one of a kind copy that was printed out with hand written red editing marks on it, it was also signed by Brandon and I believe he said it was the first copy of MB3 to be signed ever. So one (insanely) lucky fan was holding a full copy of MB3 before the populous even got a chance to read MB2.
Totally not fair.
I concur.
Your tellin' me. The ticket that won was 1 number lower than mine (i.e. the guy in front of me in line got it).
Ouch. Man... That sucks.
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I dunno, the waiting has given us lots of time to theorize, and the anticipation is going to make this great...
What am I talkin about, I want that book!!!!
I got sample chapters for MB2 before it came out, ain't it great, wfberkhof?
You enjoy those, and try not to spoil anything! Who know's what brandon could do in two or three chapters! Maybe Breeze kills himself! ;)
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I dunno, the waiting has given us lots of time to theorize, and the anticipation is going to make this great...
What am I talkin about, I want that book!!!!
I got sample chapters for MB2 before it came out, ain't it great, wfberkhof?
You enjoy those, and try not to spoil anything! Who know's what brandon could do in two or three chapters! Maybe Breeze kills himself! ;)
I actually thought that was going to happen in the end of MB2.
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Nah, that makes a very interesting character development. Seeing some more chapters from Breeze's point of view could be very fun. Though I feel for his trauma. Can people snap twice? Not that I think it's gonna happen, but I wonder...
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Nah, that makes a very interesting character development. Seeing some more chapters from Breeze's point of view could be very fun. Though I feel for his trauma. Can people snap twice? Not that I think it's gonna happen, but I wonder...
That is a very interesting concept. . . . . They never say they can't. Hmmmm. Now I'm all curious and have to go through things again to see if anything hints to the possibility of it happening.
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Maybe breeze will be a full mistborn now! Breeze as a mistborn, now that's a funny thing to picture! Just think how could he'd be though with Soothing AND Rioting at his disposal!
I don't think it's possible, I also don't think he'll commit suicide, Ham will cheer him up, or Allriane will, methinks we will here more from the younger ones in the group now: Spook and Allriane. I think they, and Ten Soon will all have viewpoints, and then, Vin and Elend of course, Marsh, I think there'll be a few more Sazed ones, not many though, and maybe Ham, but I think that's too many, so probably not Ham.
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Well, we have five less potential viewpoints from the last book, so there is plenty of room to add new ones. I don't think Breeze will just snap to become Mistborn, although we can't be certain that there aren't more of those Mistborn beads lying around, so who knows who will end up Mistborn for this book. I hope Sazed has a big part in MB3. He was mentally and emotionally destroyed in book 2, and I'd like to see how EUOL decides how Sazed copes with it. He might even become a bad guy, although that is unlikely.
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I don't think Sazed would ever become a bad guy... after what happened in the last book, he might not care enough about anything to help the good guys, but I don't think he'd start helping the "bad guys." But I guess you never know. Gravy, I can't wait. ;D
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A lot of people ended the second book scarred. Vin, Elend, Sazed, Breeze, Marsh (though he kind of started out the book scarred). I think it'll be interesting to see how they all cope.
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A lot of people ended the second book scarred. Vin, Elend, Sazed, Breeze, Marsh (though he kind of started out the book scarred). I think it'll be interesting to see how they all cope.
Yeah, the ending actually reminded me a lot of how I felt after "The Empire Strikes Back." It has a lot of the same flavor. Everybody has hit rock-bottom, and its time for those left to crawl back up.
This comes from it being the second part of a trilogy, of course. Neither Mistborn nor Star Wars were the first to use it. Welcome to the three-act play!
I don't know how Sazed will react, but I personally do not believe his faith has been shattered as thoroughly as he thinks. When we get depressed, we have a tendency to say-and do-things that we don't really mean. Of course, I thoroughly expect this depression of his to last some time. He's bit hit with some serious whammies.
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A lot of people ended the second book scarred. Vin, Elend, Sazed, Breeze, Marsh ...
Don't forget Spook, or Cett. They both had some major personal failures toward the end of MB2.
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I bet Sazed rediscovers the Terris religion! Or perhaps a true religion of sorts, and during all this discovring, he uncovers more prophecies, and finds out he is the hero of ages! Duh Duh Duuuuuuuuuuhh
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With all his struggles in belief, not only with himself, but with his friends, I certainly hope he finds something to believe in.
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I bet Sazed rediscovers the Terris religion! Or perhaps a true religion of sorts, and during all this discovring, he uncovers more prophecies, and finds out he is the hero of ages! Duh Duh Duuuuuuuuuuhh
He probably will finish figuring out the Terris religion. And I REALLY want him to be the Hero.
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I'm still upset that Elend will be more powerful than Vin...
I mean, I like Elend fine, but I really liked how Vin was just... made of awesome.
I don't know, maybe I'm too biased. I like Vin far too much as a character.
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I'm still upset that Elend will be more powerful than Vin...
I mean, I like Elend fine, but I really liked how Vin was just... made of awesome.
I don't know, maybe I'm too biased. I like Vin far too much as a character.
That was random. But Vin will always have experience on her side.
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True. Besides, there is no guarantee that Elend will be more powerful than Vin. It is possible that they could be equal, as Vin's power is so rare, it might just be comparable to the first Allomancers.
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I'm still upset that Elend will be more powerful than Vin...
I mean, I like Elend fine, but I really liked how Vin was just... made of awesome.
I don't know, maybe I'm too biased. I like Vin far too much as a character.
Since it's speculation, it's a bit early to get upset.
Also Vin seems to have some other advantages. Speculated Hemalurgy (piercing copperclouds)? Burning the mists? I suspect she will remain an interesting character in her own right through the end of HoA.
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i dont only suspect she will remain an interesting character im almost posative. although this story involves the fate of the entire world it all started with Vin and it was always centered on her. it would be an upsetting move if in the final chapter all of the sudden Vin was no longer the focal point. that is unless she died and if that happened then i guess i would understand another character taking her place
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I don't think that she will die. I think it will just make a MAJOR shift towards her Hemalurgic abilities and her discovering those and attempting to expand them.
((As a side note: I know you can't be perfect, but PLEASE capitalize and run a spell check on your posts. I'm not trying to be critical here, just it bothers a lot of people, especially me. Thanks ;)))
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Wow. Now, I really don't frequent forums that often, but, dang! This is a lot of crazy theorizing (thats a word, right?)!
Anyhow, I agree that Sazed had ought to find SOMETHING. The role belief has played in Sazed's character as well as the entire Mistborn series, thus far, is too cool to just toss out and say "I don't believe things anymore." But, well even if he doesn't, Brandon will just write the book so well that it doesn't really matter, anyhow.
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mayabi I'm sure you'r talking about my posts. I have posted a lot lately and I don't spell check or capitalize enouph. I should and will get in the habbit. I was unaware of it being a pet-peve of members. I tend to post alot after you because your one of the more active members so I'll do what I can to make up for it. ;)
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((As a side note: I know you can't be perfect, but PLEASE capitalize and run a spell check on your posts. I'm not trying to be critical here, just it bothers a lot of people, especially me. Thanks ;)))
As a side note: When you are correcting someone about their annoying grammar and punctuation, you might think about the 11 million American males who find it very difficult to read what you posted because they suffer from Protanopia. :P
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((As a side note: I know you can't be perfect, but PLEASE capitalize and run a spell check on your posts. I'm not trying to be critical here, just it bothers a lot of people, especially me. Thanks ;)))
As a side note: When you are correcting someone about their annoying grammar and punctuation, you might think about the 11 million American males who find it very difficult to read what you posted because they suffer from Protanopia. :P
Well we are sufficiently off topic, but haha. I like my green! xP
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At the signing in Denver today Brandon said he's going to release the first chapter on his website soon. He also plans on adding a few more after that.
In the end (if I remember correctly) he said there will be 4 chapters on his site, which will show all the major viewpoints except one.
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I think Vin will still be more powerful than Elend, there's something special about her allomancy, beyond piercing copper clouds and duralumin. For example, her extreme subtely with soothing, how quickly she learned allomancy (Kelsier himself thinks it's odd), there's also how she can nearly match Kelsier in a pushing match, after a month of training when she weighs way less than him.
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(Kelsier himself thinks it's odd)
Well he THOUGHT it was odd. :'( RIP Kell
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“But you can’t kill me, Lord Tyrant. I
represent that thing you’ve never been able to kill, no matter
how hard you try. I am hope.”
According to that quote from the book, "Thinks" is the right word.
And Kelsier's alive and in a better place now.
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So, I've been thinking about what I read in the prologue, and here are some things I'm wondering...
Ruin can control the Inquisitors, I assume, through the spikes in their body. Shortly before Zane's end, it mentions, very briefly, a spike in his chest. Could it be that the spike in Zane's chest is similar to an Inquisitors, or perhaps what the Inquisitors were doing with the Keeper in the prologue was something that had been done to Zane?
God told Zane to kill people. Or, he called it God. What if it was Ruin? Ruin told him to kill people. Not Vin, though. Ruin needed Vin to release the powers at the Well of Ascension.
God told Zane he was never insane to begin with. Of course he wasn't, Ruin was controlling him.
That's my theory.
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All parts of your theory have been discussed in these threads.
Ruin and Preservation: (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=5739.0)
goes into discussions and theory as to what power ruin has and how he controls people.
The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread: (http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=5745.0)
talks about Hemalurgy (Which deals with the spike in Zane's chest.) Also goes into the connections of Hemalurgy and Ruin.
All of the information for your theory is discussed back and forth in these threads and is argued for and against. Please feel free to read them and see what others have to say.
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Well, shucks... guess I'm not as original as I'd hoped...
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It's not that, it's that we've been theorizing for a really, really long time. Over 30 pages on the Hemalurgy thread and 18 on Ruin and Preservation, we tend to talk about every single detail imaginable.
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Pretty much. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've come up with a brilliant new idea that's been around for a while.
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Pretty much. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've come up with a brilliant new idea that's been around for a while.
We all have. HA HA
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True dat, true dat.
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I've usually found that my theories are so far out there that no one ever thought of them before because it's so... it's like I'm way out there.
I cite my "The Kandra Gave Kelsier the 11th Metal Theory In Order To Destroy Humanity" theory as the prime example for my insanity. It's on the first or so pages of Ruin and Preservation--go read it if you like a good laugh :P.
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But see Chaos, most of your theories make way more sense than anything else we've got, and I for one almost always find myself agreeing with them. So perhaps being "out there" isn't as bad as you would assume.
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And sometimes it's the stuff that's way gone that we need in order to look at the problem a different way and actually see the answers. ;)
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It's not that, it's that we've been theorizing for a really, really long time. Over 30 pages on the Hemalurgy thread and 18 on Ruin and Preservation, we tend to talk about every single detail imaginable.
Now we jsut have to discover which is the right one, or perhaps, the least wrong.
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It's not that, it's that we've been theorizing for a really, really long time. Over 30 pages on the Hemalurgy thread and 18 on Ruin and Preservation, we tend to talk about every single detail imaginable.
Now we jsut have to discover which is the right one, or perhaps, the least wrong.
And THAT would be the hard part.
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So... any ideas for starters? :P
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it would be interesting to delve back into the earlier days of this forum to when MB1 had come out and they started theorizing about MB2...and see how many of their theories were right.
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It seems that we've become very stagnate and probably will be until later this week when Brandon posts the sample chapters from HoA. CAN'T WAIT!
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((As a side note: I know you can't be perfect, but PLEASE capitalize and run a spell check on your posts. I'm not trying to be critical here, just it bothers a lot of people, especially me. Thanks ;)))
Might be useful if your post was fully void of grammatical errors. :)
To the topic at hand: In which thread, since "all theories have been discussed already", have you pondered who exactly is being created in the prologue? My vote is for the embodiment of Ruin.
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(I get them as close as I can. A lot of times I'm only on for two minutes and barely have time to post, let alone check for grammar, but I try at least. A few errors don't bother me. I was referring to those people whose typing makes me wonder if they're keyboard has only letters and a space bar; void of a shift key and punctuation keys.)
I don't ever remember it actually being discussed. Most of the time was spent discussing 'how'. I also agree that Ruin needs a body, but I don't think it's this. I think it's just another Inquisitor.
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(If you're quick to point out the flaws in another, at least take the time to remove your own. Thanks. :) )
Just another Inquisitor? I can see the prologue sharing with us Marsh's inner struggle while also giving us a glimpse into the horrors of Inquisitor fabrication, though I don't think Ruin finding a body mid-book would be as striking as if it were part of this scene.
Brandon hasn't failed me, yet, though. If Ruin has a body and it's not this one, I suspect it will be even more believable and better to read overall than my suggestion.
Oh, and that request for a link was mere joke re: other comments that have been made. :)
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(I don't point out small amounts of flaws, I point out nearly entire posts being utterly unintelligible.)
Oh ha ha. I'm not so keen on jokes pertaining to common sense. xP I tend to not understand the point until it's pointed out.
Where I agree it would be cool for this to be the body of Ruin, I just see Ruin's embodiment being something of a more aesthetic and transcendental nature. Something that will make him feel like God.
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Where I agree it would be cool for this to be the body of Ruin, I just see Ruin's embodiment being something of a more aesthetic and transcendental nature. Something that will make him feel like God.
We were not given information pertaining to the body that is to actually become the 'Inquisitor', merely the sacrifice. :)
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True, but Inquisitor to me doesn't say 'God' it says, "Uhm, So I take it the nail-gun won the fight?"
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Did it say there was actually an Inquisitor being created? If so, I have forgotten. If not and it is only left as a vague 'something is happening and everyone reading assumes it's related to an Inquisitor based on past information' sort of thing, my suggestion still stands and quite firmly. ^^
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Well, if you pay really close attention to semantics, the body below had eye-spikes. Just saying . . .
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Well, if you pay really close attention to semantics, the body below had eye-spikes. Just saying . . .
My point solidified as much as possible without reading the book. (Even if it's NOT an Inquisitor, I would be disappointed if this was the body that Ruin took.
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Well, if you pay really close attention to semantics, the body below had eye-spikes. Just saying . . .
My point solidified as much as possible without reading the book. (Even if it's NOT an Inquisitor, I would be disappointed if this was the body that Ruin took.
So Zane's back-spike makes him an Inquisitor? I don't find this to be a good enough argument. It's clear a spiked body does not an Inquisitor make.
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I think im more prone to think that whatever happened to Zane was either accidental or orchestrated by Ruin to then use him as a tool. I do not think it links him in any way to the inquisitors other than allowing hermological abilities.
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Thank you. I believe you agreed with me on that point whether you intended to or not. :D
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Wait why are you talking about Zane? Miyabi was saying the sacrifice being created was an Inquisitor. Seems like common sense to me...Of course I totally discount Ruin's "embodiment" I really do not think it will have one.
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Wait why are you talking about Zane? Miyabi was saying the sacrifice being created was an Inquisitor. Seems like common sense to me...Of course I totally discount Ruin's "embodiment" I really do not think it will have one.
Because Zane had spikes and he wasn't an Inquisitor (yet?). If Ruin was to have a body it would probably come at the hands of the Steel Ministry - it could even be an Inquisitor in appearance. Jesus didn't look any different than the rest of the people he was around, right? :)
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[. . .] Jesus didn't look any different than the rest of the people he was around, right? :)
That depends on who you ask. The thing is, we don't have any book-related evidence supporting this being Ruin's body, and we do have (Albeit rather flimsy) book evidence supporting this being an Inquisitor. Though just to play devil's advocate, I will mention that if this particular keeper-sacrifice would grant the Hemalurgist below Feruchemy as well, then I could see Ruin taking someone who has all three magic systems as a body. However, I'm going to stick with my original assumption that this is an Inquisitor for the simple reason that Ruin could already control Inquisitors. If he has complete control over them, why would he need to take one of their bodies? It would just seem to me like that would decrease his options, as he could either
A. Make a new Hemalurgist and (possibly) place himself in the body, or
B. Make a new Hemalurgist and control it do do his bidding while he does more omnipotent things.
I don't see much sense in him making himself a body when he could just control it anyways.
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The only reason I could fathom would follow this line of thinking:
a) Ruin will want to be worshiped the way TLR was
b) he would need a body
c) a prologue is a better place to embody a god than elsewhere unless we were building up to it
d) thus...
OR
a) Ruin can only do so much in a spirit-form.
b) he would need a body.
c) et cetera
It felt right for it to be Ruin, so *shrug*... I don't have strong evidence to support it, though. :)
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The first logic chain makes sense, but I don't think Ruin wants to be worshiped. He just wants to destroy things. (As per Alendi's logbook entry, which has something to do with Ruin on some level.) As for the second, the problem I see with that is that even if Ruin is limited in spirit-form, Inquisitors seem so much more limited to me. They have to rest very often and can omnisciently warp reality. If he wanted a body, I don't think he'd choose an Inquisitor unless he had to.
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The first logic chain makes sense, but I don't think Ruin wants to be worshiped. He just wants to destroy things. (As per Alendi's logbook entry, which has something to do with Ruin on some level.) As for the second, the problem I see with that is that even if Ruin is limited in spirit-form, Inquisitors seem so much more limited to me. They have to rest very often and can omnisciently warp reality. If he wanted a body, I don't think he'd choose an Inquisitor unless he had to.
If Inquisitor's can indeed be controlled by the metals within them, the way the koloss and potentially kandra can, then Ruin in an Inquisitor's body could give Vin an idea that would ultimately prove worthless (because Ruin would be more powerful) - just a tiny note for the theory that the Hero won't win (if Vin's the Hero). :D
Suddenly I wonder if Sazed can be controlled... ahh I wish I knew the proper threads to go posting these mini-thoughts or looking for them anyways.
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Well, this seems basically the topic for most of the questions you posed, but the Ruin and Preservation thread and Comprehensive Hemalurgy thread would also be good places to look. (They're super-huge though.)
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Well, if you pay really close attention to semantics, the body below had eye-spikes. Just saying . . .
My point solidified as much as possible without reading the book. (Even if it's NOT an Inquisitor, I would be disappointed if this was the body that Ruin took.
So Zane's back-spike makes him an Inquisitor? I don't find this to be a good enough argument. It's clear a spiked body does not an Inquisitor make.
I'm talking about the eye spikes creating an embodiment that is neither aesthetic nor transcendent.