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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #135 on: August 09, 2008, 07:05:42 PM »
Curse you Ookla, I've already forgotten and broken my oath not to read your treacherous and confusing texts, meant to lead me astray, with those tantilizing bits of information, which I crave!
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The bit about something being right in front of our faces might involve that "over arching mystery," hidden in the prologue epigraph, or it might be something else, but if Ookla had trouble with it even after reading book three, what chance do I have, alas, I must try.  I will solve this mystery, or go mad trying (or both).
I like Czanos's point about Vin, Rashek, and Alendi all being "tired."  There's something there I think.  Vin had trouble sleeping, because she felt she couldn't sleep, or else something would happen during said sleep that she would have been able to prevent had she been awake (ie Elend's assassination), while the Lord Ruler's tiredness is of a different sort.  He is tired with life, he's seen and done everything, and he's tired of things not going smoothly for him.  He's been "working," on the same problems for a thousand years, and people still doubt and fight his power.  He is tired of people not realizing his overwhelming power.  Alendi suffers from insomnia, correct me if I'm wrong, because of the mist spirit who follows him, and from his inner turmoils.  Three pivotal characters in the books are suffering tiredness, I think Czanos is on to something, but I am unsure of what it is exactly.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #136 on: August 11, 2008, 07:17:02 PM »
OK.  I've just seen the new HoA chapter.  I'm pretty sure from it that Vin isn't the Hero of Ages.

Dang good initial bump though.  It tells us only that the Hero of Ages is probably real, and not much else.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #137 on: August 11, 2008, 07:20:57 PM »
OK.  I've just seen the new HoA chapter.  I'm pretty sure from it that Vin isn't the Hero of Ages.
What makes you think that? I'm pretty sure most people think the bump is written by Rashek, if that is what u are referring to...
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #138 on: August 11, 2008, 07:38:17 PM »
OK.  I've just seen the new HoA chapter.  I'm pretty sure from it that Vin isn't the Hero of Ages.
What makes you think that? I'm pretty sure most people think the bump is written by Rashek, if that is what u are referring to...

Now that you ask, I don't know, really.  It just doesn't sound like the way Vin would write.  It doesn't seem to match her personality.

Rashek is a distinct possibility.  It would fit with the previous bumps.  It's just that I don't think Rashek was the Hero of Ages; he became TLR after all.  I would, somehow, much rather have them written by the *real* Hero of Ages.

Rashek could tell us quite a bit, though.  So I'll keep an open mind.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #139 on: August 11, 2008, 10:01:11 PM »
It's OBVIOUSLY written by Rashek because he WAS the Hero at one point, or thought he was.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #140 on: August 11, 2008, 10:09:10 PM »
It's OBVIOUSLY written by Rashek because he WAS the Hero at one point, or thought he was.

Did I miss something here? Since when was Rashek the Hero of Ages? Also, if he was I think he would embrace that fact. The word unfortunately is evidence that whomever wrote that did not want to be the HoA.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #141 on: August 11, 2008, 10:17:39 PM »
To me, that quote sounds like Alendi-esque.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #142 on: August 11, 2008, 10:20:05 PM »
To me, that quote sounds like Alendi-esque.

Exactly what I was thinking.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #143 on: August 11, 2008, 10:34:02 PM »
I think that Rashek felt that Alendi could NOT have been the HoA because he was not Terrismen. . . therefore he himself felt that he was the HoA.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #144 on: August 11, 2008, 10:47:35 PM »
Good, folks.  Glad to see I'm not alone.

The quote doesn't sound like TLR.  TLR was Rashek; sometimes we seem to forget the fact that he also thought he was God.  From the end of Mistborn 1, we see that he actually believed it.  We also have seen no evidence that that wasn't his attitude during the early years; if anything else, his monologue at the end of MB1 would indicate that his attitude has stayed constant.  We can natter on about preservation and the necessity to preserve humanity, but TLR seems to have gone about it all the wrong way, no matter how you slice it.

Thus it just doesn't sound like Rashek.  Just one line, and it's already waaaaay to humble to be Rashek.

Here's a thought: How do we know that this isn't from a document written after the fact?  We've had two documents written before the entire mess started, but there is no logical reason why the "bumps" can't come from something that will be written after all the action has occurred.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #145 on: August 11, 2008, 10:50:50 PM »
EUOL says it's from a nearly omniscient source.  I don't think that is from a document that is written.  I think it's coming from an actual person this time.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #146 on: August 11, 2008, 11:03:13 PM »
I thought the bump sounded more tired than humble. Could just be me pushing for them to be written by Rashek, but if he did write them, I think the bump could be taken along the lines of, "I am, unfortunately, the man who got stuck ruling this degenerate, ungrateful, rebellious world." The duty would have killed all his friends and family hundreds of years ago, and now he's stuck in his palace waiting for the Well to refill so that he can use it to save a people who pretty much resent him. In his mind, all of this could stem from being the Hero of Ages.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #147 on: August 11, 2008, 11:09:35 PM »
I thought the bump sounded more tired than humble. Could just be me pushing for them to be written by Rashek, but if he did write them, I think the bump could be taken along the lines of, "I am, unfortunately, the man who got stuck ruling this degenerate, ungrateful, rebellious world." The duty would have killed all his friends and family hundreds of years ago, and now he's stuck in his palace waiting for the Well to refill so that he can use it to save a people who pretty much resent him. In his mind, all of this could stem from being the Hero of Ages.
Similar things went through my head there too.  I really think that it was Rashek for sure.
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #148 on: August 12, 2008, 12:41:56 AM »
I definitely think it is written by Rashek, but something doesn't seem right. Rashek just doesn't strike me as the "reluctant hero" type guy. Or "reluctant villian" i should say...
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Re: Vin as HOA?
« Reply #149 on: August 12, 2008, 06:01:14 AM »
I love how you're drawing so many conclusions from 7 words.
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