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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Elantris vs. Mistborn *Spoilers*
« on: February 04, 2009, 07:49:07 PM »
Elantrians are very difficult (impossible?) to kill with physical force.

A mistborn's attacks are very physical in nature.

A Fire Aon could decimate a group of mistborn.

I think the Elantrians would win. Yes, it might take them longer to draw the Aons, but they are well designed for ranged combat, while mistborn are melee fighters mainly.

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Reading Excuses / Re: Swear words, what to use.
« on: February 04, 2009, 07:22:36 PM »
The question is not whether or not to cuss in literature. It is not a matter of the roughness or pureness of a character. It is whether or not to use english language cultural elements in a situation/culture that would not make sense to the setting.

Fantasy novels are special circumstances. You cannot just port over cultural references all willy-nilly into a fantasy universe.

If I start talking about bales of hay in a society that has not yet invented a hay baler, I am mixing up my cultural (and temporal) references.

English language curse words are the same way in a fantasy setting. Each word has a specific history, origin, context, and reason for it being taboo. Contrary to popular belief it is not a curse word because it sounds harsh.

We have a few different types of curse words. There are the body part/function words. There are the religious words. And there are others.

And actually, here the body words and religious words are related because the body words represent a taboo for early (especially puritan) christian culture. Catholocism says sex is bad, so vulgar/common references to it became taboo.

The same follows for all of our curse words. There is a reason why they are taboo and that reason directly reflects the culture.

Taking this into consideration then, dropping an "f-bomb" while some may see this as adding grit/realism in fact takes away from the carefully planned culture of the story you are writing.

It is not censorship to leave english curses out of Fantasy any more than it is censorship to leave out references to Rome, Divince or NASA. To do so destroys the 'reality' of the culture you are creating.

Which is why I always recommend authors to think about the culture of the book first. Decide what are its taboos or holy things and THEN formulate simple curse words around those culture-specific themes.


This is why Jordan's words work so well and other fantasy writers may or may not. You have to REALLY understand the culture you are working with. Jordan was ALL about culture.

You can sometimes get away with a couple of the english language curse IF there is a similar cultural reason. For example Vin's use of "Lord" which was brought up earlier. It just happens to coincide with our word.

The person who talked about translation is right. This also why many times (thanks to Tolkien probably) authors refer to the book being a translation of the story from the language of the world we are reading about.
There SHOULD be things that do not have a direct coorelation to our world and culture. Author's should NOT just make up words to replace our curse words exactly. If they are being that lazy and that terrible at world building, they should just use the original words, because they've already broken the culture.....

So, if the made up word feels wrong in the story, that is probably because the culture did not dictate the word.
I submit that unless the story takes place in our world OR there is a strong correlary between cultural themes, you should NEVER use the various English language curse words in a work of Fantasy.

In short, it betrays all the work of world building and characterization.

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Rants and Stuff / Re: These Stupid Titles VIII
« on: February 04, 2009, 03:13:21 PM »
I'm pretty sure you were convicted for assault and/or disturbing the peace. You WERE a brawler after all ;)

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: A Memory of Light
« on: February 02, 2009, 10:44:22 PM »
I actually LIKE Faile, its Baerelain that I cannot stand.... :D (this seems to be the exact opposite attittude which prevails here)

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Rants and Stuff / Re: These Stupid Titles VIII
« on: January 30, 2009, 03:30:01 AM »
hmmm.....is it the grave robber who is misshapen? or does he only rob misshapen graves?

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Rants and Stuff / Re: Me
« on: January 30, 2009, 03:28:05 AM »
I dunno, anyone who makes Polls has to be a horrible person, maybe even evil.... ;)

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Another aspect of the faulty "compatibility argument" is the fact that those who wait to have sex until they are married have no experience to compare against when it comes to sex. There is no " she is better than so and so" or "not as good as so and so".

Compatibility is quite simple because each partner is receiving the best experience that they've had. There is no comparison to cheapen it, or make you second guess, or feel disappointed.

Also, I wholeheartedly dispute the "get married just so they can have sex" argument. That had NOTHING to do with why I married my wife. I love her and wanted to be with her forever. And by "with her" I do not mean sexually. She is a beacon of light in my life and beautiful as well, but primarily I love her for who she is.

I got married at an early age, because I wanted to share my WHOLE life with the one I loved.



As for why it is immoral. It is. For many reasons. Ookla mentioned some. But also, sex creates a spiritual/emotional bond between people. It is the single most powerful experience that two people can share. But each time the number of people that are slept with increases, that bond frays and is cheapened. It breaks the people a little bit more on the inside.

Before you dispute that right out, let me tell you, I've seen it. People who feel like they've lost something intangible, who regret being so free with  something so special. It is like anything good. If you overuse it, or use it for the wrong purpose it is ruined.

I find your misunderstanding of marriage and sex a bit sad, but I can't blame you for touting society's favorite message. Just understand that society has determined that good should be labeled bad, and bad good. It wants sex to be glorified and promotes lies about chastity and marriage to protect itself.

Research however, has proven society wrong, like Ookla has shared.  Extramarital sex not only has physical risks (disease etc.) but emotional and social risks. It is not just blind "God told me so" obedience, it is good sense.

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I hope he knows that internal observations about various people's calves, bosoms and shoulders is an important part of Robert Jordan's narrative style.

and ankles! Don't forget the sexy sexy ankles. In fact I think for the first half of the series Matt noticed ankles more than bottoms or bosoms combined! :D

Which is itself a nice window into a culture where the women are mostly covered up. You find interesting things attractive.

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Everything Else / Re: Happy holidays, everyone!
« on: January 28, 2009, 08:59:14 PM »
Umm.... how about Life?

I think Life works for me :)

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Rants and Stuff / Re: These Stupid Titles VIII
« on: January 28, 2009, 08:07:43 PM »
you should feel lucky, I don't know what's coming for me until I hit it. So every new level is filled with the exact same fear/excitement. (Mostly fear.)

And my posting has slowed down tremendously, so I've ended up not progressing past the musical titles very quickly...

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Howard Tayler / Re: Schlock Mercenary arrives at TWG!
« on: January 28, 2009, 07:20:50 PM »
Hey there Howard. I actually met you when you visited DC (in the Beltsville Ward) a while back. Then I found Brandon's books, then Writing Excuses, and thus I have come full circle. Not a huge circle, granted, but hey....

Great work with the comic strip :)

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Pink Unicorn Sausage ;)

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I believe you are confusing "free will" with "do whatever you want without consequences". It just means we are free to make choices, not that all of those choices are good.

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Anyway. My previous post was simply made to elucidate the fact that one can be physically attracted to someone without thinking about or desiring sex. The attraction=sex is a social construct, not a hormonal one.

In fact, the statistics that we mentioned rather prove my point.  Only 50% of men think about sex on a daily basis. So only 50% of men see attractive women daily? And those 50% only see attractive women once a day? No. So therefore, half of men do not immediate have sexual thoughts about attractive women upon seeing them. And I'm sure that the 50% that do think of sex on a daily basis do not think of it every time they see an attractive woman. Some, sure. But to say that ALL men, MUST equate attractiveness with sex is patently untrue.
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Now, I don't really care whether you think sex is good or bad. What matters in the case of this story is that in the condensed time-scale of this book, there just was not opportunity to highlight every little thing. Brandon already stated a couple of times that the publishers were worried about the length of Well of Ascension as it was, without adding superfluous material that didn't move the plot forward. 

I hold to the opinion (yes, because that is what we've all been expressing, and all we really have here) that their relationship was well done. There were little hints and clues sprinkled throughout the books that showed Vin and Elend's feelings toward eachother. I was in no way disapointed by it. It seemed JUST right for their circumstances. They were in the middle of a war. There is not much time for hanky panky, or for even thinking about it.

I don't think it is fair to call it sanitized. I thought it was just right for this particular series of books and for this particular pair of characters. They both had hang-ups.

The fact that they were able to develop a relationship at ALL in the middle of all that happened is marvelous! And yes, there was a large section of time that passed between book 1 and book 2. They could have (and probably) developed their relationship quite a bit during that time. Possibly even including sexually. However, that was not the point of the books and therefore it did not focus on that aspect.

It is not a romance novel. It is a novel that happened to have a romance between two characters. It was not the main plot, not even a subplot. There were much more important things happening. Which is why all of us enjoyed the books. Because the important things happened, and they were described well.

I might as well wish that Brandon had included more pink unicorns, because I felt a distinct lack of them in the series (I didn't, really :D ). But they wouldn't have made the story itself any better, nor would there have been room to talk about them. Brandon states in the Annotations that they were often looking to cut any fluff from the story, so if it didn't help him get to the ending, it didn't make the final cut.

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I thought that their relationship was just right for them. It was a little odd, but then they were not the most normal couple or in the most normal of situations. I thought it mirrored their personalities and circumstances quite well the way it was.

Btw, I am a guy and didn't have sexual thoughts as a teen. I appreciated form, but never thought about sex. I'm serious. Looking and kissing were the ONLY remotely sexual things on my mind as a teen. Mostly looking.

The sad thing is that most guys are 'trained' through pop culture to think otherwise.  I avoided 'pop' culture for the most part in my teens and probably missed out on that subtle conditioning.

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Everything Else / Re: Barak Obama's Stimulus package
« on: January 26, 2009, 03:24:26 AM »
Jade, where did you get that graph? The data seems very odd to me.  (Just curious)

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