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Local Authors => Brandon Sanderson => Topic started by: Bastille on December 11, 2008, 01:57:21 AM
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I saw this connection between the Mistborn book and Alcatraz 1 and 2. Here it is.
Mistborn:
Sometimes, I worry that I'm not the hero everyone thinks I am. . . .
The philosophers assure me that this is the time, that the signs have been met. But I still wonder if they have the wrong man. So many people depend on me. They say I will hold the future of the entire world on my arms.
What would they think if they knew that their champion--the Hero of Ages, their savior--doubted himself? Perhaps they wouldn't be shocked at all. In a way, this is what worries me most. Maybe, in their hearts, they wonder--just as I do.
When they see me, do they see a liar?
Alcatraz 1:
I am not a good person.
Oh, I know what the stories say about me. They call me Oculator Dramatus, Hero, Savior of the Twelve Kingdoms. . . . Those, however, are just rumors. Some are exaggerations; many are outright lies. The truth is far less impressive.
Alcatraz 2:
I am a liar.
I realize that you may not believe this. In fact, hope that you don't. Not only would that make the statement particularly ironic, but it means you have very far to fall.
The part of them both being hero's that everyone counts apon but is afraid they'll fail them and both calling themselves liers. I wonder if that's a connection.
Bastille
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I have a theory, though an unlikely one at that. I think that Brandon Sanderson finds characters with self-esteem issues interesting, and it helps us root for the character more.
Is there a higher connection? Maybe, but I think it's kind of like what Dumbledore said:
Those who have power thrust upon them do much better than someone who looks for power.
Zas
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I'm still saying there is an inter-work connection between the Alcatraz world and the other books. I won't go as far as to say I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong or anything ( ;)), but it's just what I think.
Oh, and there's also Quenten using some spook slang in book 1. :)
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Quentin is in another book, alright. What about..
Sing
Leavenworth
Bastille
Draulin
Kazan
I dought they'll be in any other book because there all (except Draulin and Sing) prison names.
Bastille
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Well all I was really saying is that he spoke in Spook Dialect for one line. Now it may have just been an Easter egg, but in a body of work so interconnected, to actually have some sort of tangible link between Alcatraz's Earth and Mistborn's Scadriel is interesting. :)
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Quentin is in another book, alright. What about..
Sing
Leavenworth
Bastille
Draulin
Kazan
I dought they'll be in any other book because there all (except Draulin and Sing) prison names.
Bastille
Sing is actually named after Sing Sing prison In New York state.
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There's a prison called Sing Sing!!! Okay!! Thanks so much. That's good info!!
Bastille
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I always thought wasin was just an easter egg. He can't have hoid there so instead he did that to link them. (Plus, it technically wasn't easternese. That was the line in the first book that Dox says when everyone is talking in easternese that makes everyone laugh because it means nothing.)
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How about this one?
Cadmium (Pulser) slightly 'pulls' on time in a bubble around the Allomancer stretching it and making it pass more slowly
Cerrobend (Slider) slightly 'pushes' time in a bubble around the Allomancer, compressing it, and making it pass more quickly.
But I think bubble of time is an interesting choice of words....
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I glanced back at Bastille and Kaz. They were still frozen, as if time wasn't moving for them.
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The bubble of strange time-shift still continued to be in force, however, so the Lens hadn't been behind that.
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"Time moves differently in there," I said, looking back at the sarcophagus. It seemed unchanged, the dust hanging in the air, the lamps extinguished.
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I think stepping into that circle takes you back in time to the moment he died," I said. Something like that. I'm not exactly sure
Alcatraz and the Scrivener's bones pg 225
For those that haven't read Alcatraz, what probably really happened is that the dead guy in the bubble of time broke time, so his body stays preserved.... even after over 2000 years. The text mentions that the Egyptians tried to copy him by using mummies.
Stupid mummies
Zas
I think that maybe a Duralumin/Nicrosil enhanced Slider (time-slower downer) might be able to do that....
How's THAT for a connection?
Zas
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Wow!! I never thought of that. That was a VERY good find. :D
Bastille
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Here's another one that's kinda similar....
There,inscribed over the door, was a circle split into four sections, with symbols written in each of the four pieces.
"The inner squares say the things you taught, Kaz," I said. "Time, Space, Matter, Knowledge."
Alcatraz 2 pg 211
Four physical metals, four mental metals, four enhancement metals, and four temporal metals
Hero of Ages pg 476
If you draw the Incarnate Wheel that Alcatraz mentions, then you turn to the back of HOA, you see two diagrams that are amazingly similar, with the biggest difference is the change from Enhancement to Space.
Zas
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Yay, thanks for posting those Zas. :)
I too thought there was something to the second one you posted, but didn't think of the first one.
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Very interesting. I think everybody can agree there are too many of these connections for it to be coincidence or our overactive imaginations. The question we have to ask now is, are these just easter eggs or are the two stories/worlds in the same universe?
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That would be very cool if they were in the same universe!!
Bastille
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I just mentioned this in another thread, but Alcatraz doesn't take place in the same universe as Brandon's adult fantasy books. Well, at the time it was written anyway, you never know what might get ret-conned later. :)
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Oh. That's a shame. It would have been really cool. Another idea struck me. Is there anything named Vianitelle?
Bastille
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I just mentioned this in another thread, but Alcatraz doesn't take place in the same universe as Brandon's adult fantasy books. Well, at the time it was written anyway, you never know what might get ret-conned later. :)
:(
You sadden me with this news.
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Same here. It would have been really cool. :'(
Bastille