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Games => Table-Top Games => Topic started by: Lieutenant Kije on December 02, 2004, 04:09:26 PM
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Sprig and Fell (and anyone else who wants to join): I thought I'd post some ideas for team restrictions and scenarios for the game we plan on playing next week.
So...some ideas:
- 400 pts., 2 subteams, each subteam must have at least 150 points, 6 starting positions on board, rotating between players (A, B, C, A, B, C)
- All women
- No fig over 60 (or 50, or 70, or 40, or whatever we decide)
- For every named fig you have to have a "generic" one
- Your fig titles must be in consecutive alphabetical order (you can start at any letter, z wraps to a.) If you have a fig starting with M you have to have an N, unless M is the last figure in your "straight." I.E. Firelord, Green Lantern, Hellboy, Iron Man, Joker, etc.
- No two figs on your team can have the same ability showing on their dial. If they do, each fig with that ability loses that ability until they become the only fig on the team with the ability showing.
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I like the alphabetical one the best, as it seems like it would encourage people to use some of their lesser-used figures without prohibiting any other figures.
Since it's going to be multiplayer and the typical "points for kills" system doesn't work quite as well, what if we come up with some alternate win conditions:
1. Each team has to include a figure with leadership and/or mastermind, and the other teams have to assassinate them
2. Maybe a Battlefield 1942-esque system, where you get 1 point for each turn you "control" certain points on the map. Kind of like playing four games of King of the Mountain at once.
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I'm fine with what ever, though the only one on Kije's list that stands out is the Alphabetical one. I don't care for lots of restrictions on team building, though a few are fine. When building a team becomes more complicated the playing a game is when I loose intrest. It just takes the fun out of the game.
As for Fell's 1942 idea, there's actualy unofficial alternaite rules for that with MageKnight since the object of tourny games usealy deal with captureing nodes, though they cacultate it just off of who has control of the most after x number of turns.
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I like the assassinate the leader idea. Are we going to play at Tage's or my place? We can do either.
By the way - I wrote up some directions to my place that I will send to you, Fell. Tuesday and Wednesday nights, correct? I'll send them tonight to the address on your profile unless you say otherwise. The directions will be in a Word attachment.
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Things are actually up in the air right now, but send them anyway. I'll let you know.
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If it's Tuesday I might be able to come. Wednesday is out again though. :'(
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This is on Wednesday, but I'll be in town Tuesday as well. I'll let you know if we schedule anything.
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Well, crap. I found out late last night that my wife will be coming to Provo on Wednesday to look at houses, which means that I won't be in Provo either Tuesday or Wednesday nights. I'd prefer to reschedule this for next Monday, but we'll see.
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No crap! If it gets you into a house sooner, so much the better.
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I mostly mean crap because it means I'll be making the trip between Logan and Provo six times this week instead of two.
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Well then...crap.
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I second that crap.
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Actually, with two members gone it appears that D&D is off this week, so Thursday would work really well for Heroclix (and for a guest room in the Kije residence). How does that sound?
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Okay, scratch everything and start over--the snow here is much worse in Logan, so rather than drive back and forth through it five times we're just going to wait and look at houses on Friday. So I'm in town tonight and tomorrow, and we can do Heroclix tomorrow, and so on. I suggest we do the alphabet idea, 400 points mixed environment, with any specific objectives or alternate win conditions determined when we get there. Who's with me?
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sure, I'll be there.
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I built my alphabet team using A through F, which is harder than it sounds because I only had one F and he was kind of pricey (technically I have two Fs, but I don't like Firelord and he's not even tourney-legal anymore). I don't know how good the team will be, but it uses some characters that I like but don't often play with, so that's cool.
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Time and place?
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I was thinking we could do it at Kije's house, but all my food is at Tage's so it makes more sense to do it there. I get off work around 7 (I'm working four 10s), so how about 7:30 or so at Tage's house?
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fine with me. It's the same distance, more or less, as Kije's house so there's no real difference to me.
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okay: 7:30, Tage's. I'm debating whether to use G-I or A-E.
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Wizkids has pictures of the next DC set *drool*
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/products.asp?cid=39385
I had an B-E team in my mind, but thought it might be to easy to win since 3 of the figs were realy powerful.
Batman (vampire)
Checkmate Medic
Despero
Eclipso
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Yeah, I thought I posted those earlier, but I guess not. That Kingdom Come Green Lantern will be mine!
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who's the guy without a shirt and the cutlass?
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While we're on the subject, three new team abilities for DC Legacy: a new wild card power, and two new powers that can't be copied by wild card powers. Interesting.
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/gameresources.asp?cid=39415
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who's the guy without a shirt and the cutlass?
Ra-al-ghoul (or however you spell it)
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So Wizkids has a pictureof the dark pheonix con fig. (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/wk_article.asp?cid=39412&frame=events)
Looks pretty cool. I'm interested to see the stats that go along with something like that.
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Well my week got knida busy over the weekend.
The only days I have time to do anything would be Wensday and Thursday, so if either of you want to do something one of those days let me know.
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I'll be out of town both of those evenings, which means WoW instead of Heroclix. Thank goodness for the Internet!
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Fell: If I'm not mistaken, you're in town tonight. Right? (Let me know if I'm wrong.) It turns out that my wife is working tonight so I'm free for whatever gaming tonight.
It's too bad you can't come now, Sprig.
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I'm in town tonight and tomorrow, but I'll probably be busy both nights. Don't plan on me until 11 or so.
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ok
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Well, I've got my work's christmass party. And at 11pm I've got work. Oh well there's allwayse next year, though the 28th and 29th I have time.
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Yet another preview of Legacy: http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/products.asp?cid=39448
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So now that Fell is all moved in are you 2 (kije and Fell) wanting to start doing this again (though maybe not every Wensday). Since Fell's house is more or less halfway inbetween mine and Kije's it would be a good place to do it.
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I'm for it. Although currently (and maybe indefinitely) we are a one car family and I may ask for rides at times. And Fell's probably pretty busy with unpacking and whatnot. But when everything's settled, I'm for it.
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Well I wasn't talking about today, though maybe sometime in the next few weeks.
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yeah, that's what I was thinking
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Sounds good. I'd actually like to start attending the store tournaments on Wednesdays, assuming they're still free. We could make that a weekly thing and all just meet there, if you're interested (though, as has been mentioned, today doesn't count).
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I think that's a good idea.
Oh, and check the Wizkids HC DC site...KC Flash.
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That's a cool-looking piece. I'm not convinced about the dial--I mean really, does Quake even fit the character? You can't even use it in conjunction with HSS. It would be nice if he had some Willpower to reflect the fact that he never stops moving, but I suppose they would have mentioned it. Still, as a fan of Kingdom Come I might have to collect him anyway--after I get Green Lantern, of course.
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I guess if you think of quake as Flash attacking all of the adjacent opponents one after the other, very fast, so that it's virtually instantaneous, it might fit. Besides, his max damage is 2 anyways. It's an expanded version of flurry in a way, excpet you can't target the same guy twice (but HSS gets you a version of that anyways.)
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That actually makes a lot of sense. Still Quake seems like the current fad power in Heroclix design, the way Perplex was back when it first debuted--they just kind of stuck it everywhere, whether it made sense or not.
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Do you think they'll do any other KC this go around?
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I doubt it. Green Lantern and Flash are pretty much the last of the major KC characters (though I still think Lex would be cool, and I suppose that Hawkman would be fairly popular). I think they'll space the KC guys out, a little in each set.
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We'll probably see more F4 in the next Marvel set, what with the movie and all. When is the next Marvel set? Have they announced it?
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So there's a poll up soliciting opinions about which characters they should include in the latest Marvel set (whenever that will be.) On the Marvel site they show results, and for the hero it looks like most are choosing some guy named Cannonball. Now I don't know a ton about these characters, but he seems one of the least interesting characters to be converted intoi a heroclix fig. Basically, the guy's got charge, and probably leap/climb. Who needs anotyher charger?
The character that caught my eye was the guy who could make copies of himself (Multiple Man or something.) That would be really cool to see how they truned that concept into a fig. I'm guessing they would use flurry and willpower to reflect his extra bodies. Or maybe they'd make him as a pretty weak guy (strengthwise like a bystander token) but with the unique ability to spawn bystander token copies of himself.
I'm sure they could think of others ways to describe his powers. That would be soemthing I'd like to see.
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Yeah, I voted for that guy too because he's just so unique. Spawning bystander tokens is a cool idea, but I doubt they'll make special rules for a relatively minor guy. I think your idea of flurry and willpower would work, plus a little perplex or probability control (since if the first copy misses, a second copy can take a shot).
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Well, Legacy looks like it's going to be pretty awesome:
http://www.creationmatrix.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=10059
And what looks a little more official:
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/munsterhawaii/album?.dir=/88c6
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So it looks like that second link doesn't work anymore. The two links had basically the same information, except that the no longer functioning one had pictures of the sculpts.
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I saw the one with pictures while it still worked, and I was impressed--more KC than I expected, and some cool-lookin' stuff all around. I also found my new sig.
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If you go to the CreationMatrix site and scroll down the original link to the photos is there, and apparently it still works.
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Holy!!! A new Joker! Whooo. And he's got all most all the abilities in the game :). Also happy to see Senestro, Ares, General Zod and Hush. Dono why I like DC villans so much, but I do.
Wow, that new Joker made my day. Though I am sad to see no enhancement ability in a DC set. Ahh my bad, Entragon (deamon) has enhancement. Though he's a 119 pt figure (assumeing his veteren rank).
In fact here are the Joker stats for those that want to share in my joy.
Joker, 100 pt Bat-enemy
11 L/C
9 Incap
18 Toughness
2 OW
6 range 2 arrows
Other powers include (ready?) Stealth, RS, Charge, Poison, BCF, EE, Ppx, Willpower, Mastermind "and more" !
Also, are we going to do anything tonight? We ca goto GPP or I've got that starwars mini book that I want to play before I review.
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If something's going on call me (II II VI VIII I III III) as I'll be offline in about 15 minutes.
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I've got my kids tonight while Dawn is away, so I'm unavailable.
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So I ended up at GPP last night, and won myself an LE Simon Masters (Wonder Man.)
And I learned that Ultimates Hawkeye is a pain magnet. Just about every time I play with that guy, my opponent/s decide that he's the worst threat and move to take him out immediately. It kind of stinks because he has no defense, but I've learned to use it to my advantage by having him draw all the heat while I get my real strategy rolling with the other figs.
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How was the crowd? I really want to start going. What types of armies were people using? Was it Marvel-only or Open?
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small crowd. There were four of us: me, two preteens I take are there just about every night, and a magic player the judge recruited to learn heroclix.
We played a team multiplayer, with me and a preteen vs. preteen and newbie (who was being coached gently by the judge.) Newbie lost interest halfway through and judge took over for him.
My preteen teammate played a 300 point Sinestro. I usually run a ranged team, and the judge's team (whcih he would have used if he didn't get the newbie to play was all ranged.) Newbie played a mix of ranged and close combat, as did the other preteen. I have seen older guys like us in there, who know the game well and usually kick my trash. They'll bring tournament-caliber teams. But most often the competition's been thin, and those preteens just don't get some aspects of strategy (but they're preteens, so I cut them that slack.)
The judge is a decent player and is better competition. He's late teens. This multiplayer format was the first I've seen, suggested by the owner (who was playing magic next to us.) When it's four players they usually do a two round tourney. I think this week was technically supposed to be a draft, but no one was planning on buying anything. And I've never seen it be anything but open, 300 point affairs.
It would be really cool if you and Sprig decided to come more regularly. It would nearly double the crowd and definitely add quality. As it is, I don't mind playing the preteens. I try and teach them subtly when I play so they get a better feel for how to use their powers, and I'd be lying if I didn't say that laying the serious smack down just feels good every once in a while. Plus, easy prizes! Hmm...maybe you guys should actually stay away...
Last night was my first night in a while, since mid October. But my Wednesdays are more free nowadays.
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Ya I just never make it on Wensdays, just because. Though i should. I was about to go last night but just decided I didn't want to.
from what I've gathered from GPP staff precons are their popular tournys since there's no fee to play. The booster drafts usealy only have 2-3 people, and usealy aren't the good players.
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Alright: I am officially going to GPP for HeroClix this Wednesday, so come one come all and we'll save each other from the 13-year-olds. I'm considering an X-Men/Alpha Flight team, because I love Havok so much, but 300 points is a little small for a good X-Men team. Maybe Fantastic Four with my shiny new Spider-man?
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Kate has the car at her job 'til about 6:30 that night...I know it's out of the way but could I get a ride? Pretty please? It would only be to (not from) as she'll be picking me up afterwards to go somewhere else.
And the preteens love the X-Men. You'd be the cat's meow if you showed up with an awesome X-Men team, I think.
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Yeah, I can pick you up. The games start at 6?
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Yeah, it starts at 6, although often they don't get around to really starting until 6:15. But if enough people are there right at 6 then they'll go right ahead.
And thanks - I appreciate it.
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You just have to promise not to specifically design a team to destroy my X-Men. Assuming I go with that idea--I'm still not sure.
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I won't design a team to specifically destroy X-Men...I'll just design a team to destroy in a general fashion.
I've thought about the teams that I build, and found that I tend to favor mid-size figs (60-90 points) and ranged figs. One of my favorites is experienced Ultimates Cap: 89 points and powers abilities that allow for a variety of strategies. Also nice: Vet Punisher, E or V Ultimates Hawkeye, V Deadpool, E Bishop, E Rasputin.
Maybe this time I'll do something completely different just for kicks...mmaybe mMystics...
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I'll be there and you'll never guess my team....well actualy you probaly will, but it'll be fun none the less.
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I'm going to guess that you play a Batman Enemy team, and then spend the whole time talking about how you could have used KC Superman but didn't want to just kill everyone.
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Heh, yep pretty much. Though I'll try not to rant about KC superman. But where's the fun in makeing a 300 point team where one figure takes up about 75% of the points and could kill most of the other peoples figures in one hit, especialy if I use Rip it up, wow that would be a realy butt kicking Superman.
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I predict that El'Spriggo will lose.
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KC Superman isn't a gaurnteed win, though I would probaly tear through the 13 year olds like...Well superman through henchmen. Fell could probaly beat me with that combo and so could Kije provideing a good team build.
Of course you've never seen my Joker team build.
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Wait til you see my lame-o 300 point X-Men team. They don't get very good until 400, and you want 5 or 600 to erally get the engine running.
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My team is using two figs I've never used before. And in another departure, it's mostly villain. And I'm only using one mid-size utility fig.
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So with the addition of Ares, is KC Superman dethroned as the toughest fig around? His attack and defense start one point higher, he starts with outwit, and imo Mystics is a better team ability than KC.
KC Supes has got him with flight, charge, and HSS, and his range is better. I don't know...I guess you couldn't say for sure until Ares' whole dial is revealed.
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YOu've also got KC GreenLantren to add to the mix. He's got the highest defecnce in the game (at 21) and good ranged.
We're going to have to try some one-on-one battles here.
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Well we'll see how my team goes, I'm trying something new here and it's costing me extra points. 'Course I could change my mind by 6pm tonight.
I think I like drafts better becsaue I don't have to sort through lots of figures and am forced to build a better team. For example, I realy want to use my V Scarecrow in my team, he's got dubble range with incompacitate as well as MC, but I've allready got 2 support peices and I can't have a 3rd (especialy at 65 pts). That would only give me about 40 pts for a damage dealer and the best I could get with that would be a B/C/F character (like R cheetah).
I guess the biggest problem I have with games like this (includeing Magic) is that there are so many choices I usealy tend to stick to the same things, which are usealy the first few builds I ever tried.
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That's why I'm intentionally trying something I've never tried before this time around. I'll probably fall flat on my face, so to speak, but it could be fun.
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I'm takeing baby steps.
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I *ahte* a behby.
Behby, it's what's fer Dinnah!
Behby, the other, *OTHER* white meat!
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I've been home sick the past two days, and it looks like I'm still going to be pretty miserable tonight. So I'm afraid I'm out of the game, which means Kije is out of a ride.
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I hope it's not too terrible. Get well soon!
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I can pick you up kije. I've got you address. I'll send you a PM with my phone number (I'm going to be leaveing the house as soon as I put pants on) so call me if you want me to pick you up.
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Well it was fun. I got second and Kije got third.
The kid that one 1st used a 300pt Sensetro and I totaly played it wrong. I waited back for him to come (5 turns) and then started to attack, after he killed one of my peons he ran off and I had to chase him down. The end of the game (after 10 turns) left him with 6 clicks left, so one more turn and I would have won. I should have rushed him from the start.
Kije is allwayse a pain to play against, him and his stealth ranged attackers. Our battle basicaly came down to the last few turns and the outcome was determined by some bad rolls.
My team was
U Joker
LE Harley Quinn
U Eclipso
E Lacky
E Metropolis SCU
E Checkmate Medic
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So I'm assumeing you're both going to be playing tomorrow. Just a heads up one of the kids there last week was planning a team around Magog (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figures_dials.asp?dialid=6400&unitid=4859&universeid=6). Personaly I can't think of any way to beat him besides another big bruser and an outwitter or two.
Right now I'm thinking of useing Amazo (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figures_dials.asp?dialid=4718&unitid=3399&universeid=6),Desparo (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figures_dials.asp?dialid=4721&unitid=3402&universeid=6) or The General (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figures_dials.asp?dialid=6439&unitid=4898&universeid=6)
I'm thinking the General or Desparo with Rip it up and the instant regen feat would be quite nasty.
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The General would be especially nasty with instant regen, because he has regen for six or so clicks.
I'm going to come, yes, and I'm going to have my X-Men team, Magog or no Magog. Do you need a ride, Kije?
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I just don't want to loose to a 12 year old again. Of course last time it was my mistake, but I'm not going to loose because of a silly team build. I wouldn't mind looseing to someone more respectable (read: older) with a silly team.
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Here's what I'm thinking of using:
V Havok
V Iceman
V Gambit
V Beast
E Bishop
That leaves me with some extra points, but not enough to do much with (about 10). I suppose I could get a paramedic. Actually, the Passenger feat might be good for a quick getaway (and it's one of the only ones I have).
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The only problem with that team is only one outwit, of course I'm baseing this off of fighting Magog. Useing passenger is a good idea since you have a support person and useing that is a great way to get someone out of danger. Especialy if you use it with beast since if he wants to heal someone in base combat with an opposeing figure you can just grab that fig and move away. 'Couse Beast could loose his support ability via the pushing damage, but thats where the X-men team ability would realy come in useful.
I want to take advantage of the Injustice Leauge's team ability but the only other decent brawler in that faction is Grundy, which I don't have.
Another option I'm thinking of is JSA
E Dr. Fate
E Black Atom
Black Atom is a good damage dealer and Dr. Fate with psychic blast and probability control would be a good combo. Or useing Mordu and Dr. Fate. Mordu is a great fig for the cost, outwit, willpower and psychic blast for 109 points. And maybe finishing it out with Zantanna.
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Here's another team build
R Sgt. Rock
R Checkmate Medic
R Plastic Man
V Green Arrow
V Starman
U Batman (vampire)
That gives me Leadership, outwit, perplex to RCE with rage of 10 and Incompacitate and 2 stealthers. And later on in the dial Batman gets B/C/F.
Also WK posted a new featcard either today or yesterday http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figuregallery.asp?unitid=6633
For 10 points one figure can never have it's damage reduced below 1.
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Yeah, Bishop is pretty much the only X-Man with Outwit (though I suppose I could use a wildcard, but that's cheating on the theme). Even a single Outwit can gimp a team built around a single bruiser, though, if used properly. The nice thing about this team is that it can deal a lot more damage than people expect, so dropping Magog's Impervious and smacking him for nine or so damage in one turn is not out of the question (hard to set up, but that's what makes it fun).
I have a GRundy you can use if you want--I know I have the Experienced version, and I think I have the Veteran. I'll check when I go home for lunch.
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I need to talk to Kate about tomorrow...I'm coming, I just need to find out if I need a ride or not. I'll call you if I do, Fell.
I need to remember to get Sprig's cel# too, so I can pester him for rides in the future if I need to. :)
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Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier, Sprig. I do have an experienced Solomon Grundy if you want to do an IL team.
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Hey Fell - is it kosher if I get a ride?
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I certainly is.
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Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier, Sprig. I do have an experienced Solomon Grundy if you want to do an IL team.
Ya, bring it if you don't mind. I might make an IJL team, I'll have to see if I can make something better then the ranged team I made.
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Thanks for being willing - it turns out I won't need a ride after all. Hopefully you'll see this, Fell, but just in case I'll call you this afternevening to let you know.
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Well cool, that actually works out well, since I would have had to pick you up ridiculously early (like, 5:10 or so).
My cousin is coming, and though he knows the game fairly well he doesn't own any guys, so I need to make him a team. Any suggestions?
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The incredible hulk, veteran. The incredible hulk, experienced. Paramedic.
Thats my suggested team.
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heh. cool.
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Evil superman and the ninjas
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I'm thinking Kilowog, Ulik (veteran), an Intergang Medic, and an Intergang Agent for Outwit. Basically just two big bruisers, one of whom can carry support and launch the other into combat.
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I'm going to be a GPP tomorrow at about 5pm till 6-6:30 teaching them Starwars minis if anyone else wants to come along.
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In 2 weeks (the 19th) there's a HC legacey prerelase event at the UofU put on by the blackrose. I don't know anymore info since their site is down.
Also GPP wants to try and start up a SWM league on mondays. I told them I it's something that I might goto once a month or so, but that I doubt you 2 would (they asked if you would be able to).
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I'm afraid not. With HC on Wednesday and D&D Thursday, I'm full up on gaming.
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That's more or less what I told them, basicly "the other guys have wifes and kids, they don't have the time".
Though WoTC is going to be doing unique figs for their prizes ala Wizkids, though I think they're going to only have different pant jobs not different stats.
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I'm trying a new version of my CC team.
Here's what I've got so far:
Rip it Up: 20 pts
Metallo: 149
Ultrahumanite: 80pts
and either
E Fury 48pts
or
R Grundy 48pts
I'd use grundy if I got him.
If I don't want to make a strict "everyone must have SS somewhere on thier dial" i'd make a Tean Titans group. There are no TKers in TT, though I could add a GL to it.
V Cyborg 65pts
V Troia 98pts (or maybe E Troia for 18pts less)
V Starfire 88pts or V Hawk 69 pts
Though that team needs to be mixed around to include a TKer
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Hey Kije you fall asleep or something? It was just me and Fell tonight.
I'll have a report in the Feat discussion thread.
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We need to get Kije and 42 and anyone else who plays to start coming to these. Sure, with only two people we were both guaranteed a prize, but it's more fun with more people.
My idea for next week--some version of the Hulk, backed up with as many applicable feats as I can give him. Good times.
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I talked to 42 about this last week, right now he works every wensday from 3-11pm. If his schedule ever changes he'll think about comming.
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Well that's a bummer. I hope he can change that schedule soon.
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I'll be around for the 2nd wednesday of march. I'll bring my Clix and see what I can do. Haven't really actually played the game all that intensely.
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Then you'll fit right in.
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Hey Kije you fall asleep or something? It was just me and Fell tonight.
Sorry, I got a promotion last week and it's a few orders of magnitude of stress greater than my old job. Plus, I didn't have a car.
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They posted the Jokers and Batmans dials today, I don't care much for the Jokers at first sight they change every dial (though he has about every power). Batman is intersting, he dosen't get incompacitate until the end of his dial when he has toghness instead of willpower, but has exploit weaknees, charge and some other powers.
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/products.asp?cid=39626
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/products.asp?cid=39627
I do want the LE of the Joker though, 26 points with 2 clicks of enhancement!
Batman has 3 different teams (outsiders, JLA, Batman) and the JLA version has probability control. Also there are different enemies based off of the version of batman. Ras Al ghoul, Joker, Hush. And the 3 versions are very different, so they're almost like different figures.
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They also added new feat cards and battlefeild conditions.
one feat gives you, more or less, the mystic team ability
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figuregallery.asp?unitid=6634
Harvey Bullock is a token with toughness and a team ability, though I'm sad he wont be a figre any time soon.
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figuregallery.asp?unitid=6641
The also added the LE Mr. Freeze, from a mail away,
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figuregallery.asp?unitid=6629
Don't they announce these on WK site? Becaue I do want this one.
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Holy crap, that is a sweet Mr. Freeze. I really like both Batman and Joker, too, though Joker will obviously be hard to use. The Veteran has the best starting click, but he gets some weird combos later on; I'd really like to get the full REV set of both.
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After looking through the Joker's stats I can say I think it could be a really useful fig if you learn how to play it. Unlike other figures who have such random stats like his, his dial changes and adjusts for his powers. So when he has charge and Exploite weakness his damage and attack jump (4 damage on that!) and when he is a support figure his defence goes up. Also if you're playing against someone who dosen't know how his dial works you can realy surprise them.
I was surprised with how well all their dials are, and am thinking WK really out did themselfs here.
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I agree. They've obviously planned the stats and powers of each click really well, on all eight of the preview figures. In the past you sometimes get the feeling that they just said, "let's give this guy some Poison" without really thinking about how well it would work.
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KC greenlantren is up
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figuregallery.asp?unitid=6667
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Man. Even I would spend some money on that one.
On a subject change, DC really needs to contract Marvel/Toy Biz to make halfway decent action figures of their characters. Can you imagine an action figure of KC GL with 32+ points of articulation. I think that I shudder with pleasure just thinking about it.
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heh, I'm sure you would. Though you'd probaly change your mind once you see the e-bay price tag of him, which I'd guess will start around $50.
On a side note, I find it funney he has a sword yet is a ranged attack figure.
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well, the sword IS made out of the power ring energy.
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KC Green Lantern will be mine! I've said it once before, but it bears repeating.
Speaking of Green Lantern, did you know their bringing Hal Jordan back? It's a six-issue series they started back in October, and the two final issues come out next month. I'd love to track them down, but issue #1 has already sold out a fourth printing and I don't know if they'll do a fifth. I'll wait for the trade, I guess. I just hope they can bring Hal back without killing off Kyle Rayner.
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I will not be at GPP tomorrow night, in case anyone was expecting me.
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I was...just getting on to ask if you'd be there. Guess not. I will, however, with my friend the Shadow King. I just need to build a good team around him.
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Isn't that the multiple ranged mind controller? Hmmmm....
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I'm thinking this is my team:
Shadow King
Venom (with Pounce)
Logan (with Auto Regen)
AIM Medic
Moloid
So Sprig, if you're coming, I need to borrow your feats. I have your BTS2 now, so I'll give you that as well.
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Well that's why I lost, Sprig--I forgot to use the Moloid. I declare the game void.
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I've looked at the prizes for the next 2 months, and on the Marvel side there are only repeats. So Kije has a chance to get a 3rd Wade Wilson!
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I'm contemplating creating an army of Wade.
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I'd designed a really cool team for this Wednesday, but my birthday present arrived in the mail yesterday: KC Shazam! So maybe I should use him instead.
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It is possible that I can attend this Wednesday, but if I can I'll need a ride if one's available. My wife is teaching part of a theater class at the Hale on Wednesdays through March and she's got the car. I'll know tomorrow if I can be there or not. I've tweaked the team that took down Sprig's beefed-up KC Supes a couple of weeks ago and I'm interested to see how it does.
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well then maybe I'll use my killer Red Rocket team again! Though I think one of the reason that team did so well was Fell's team was a little goofy and I didn't have much need for outwit. That team would have a hard time killing Shazzam!. Humm what to do, what to do. Maybe I'll buy a few boosters of Legacy and go from there.
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I've contemplated that as well. Think I'll wait for the case, though.
Here's the other team I'm looking at, if you have any suggestions for it:
Kilowog (U)
Havok (V)
Psylocke (R)
Taskmaster (V)
Invisible Girl (R)
The whole team would be able to move together, Psylocke raises the two snipers' damage, Taskmaster slashes whoever gets too close, and Invisible Girl gives them all a ranged defense of 20. I'm not sure about Taskmaster--I think there might be a better use of those points, but I don't know what it is yet.
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No Clix for Nate tonight. I'm starting a temporary part time job at the Hale theater and Wed night is the only time when I can learn how to do it. Oh well.
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I might be able to join. I am leaving my job, and if all goes well I should be available on Wednesdays in 2 weeks (maybe sooner).
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Hooray for 42, boo for Kije. We must never forget that playing games is more important than working.
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Yes, boo for me.
After I got trained I stopped by GPP (around 8:30) to pick up a booster of the new set as a reward for clearing a couple of stressful situations from my schedule, and lo and behold no Legacy boosters! Oh, well...
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I was there with Kate, and the judge guy whose name I always forget was there playing some other tabletop game. I was talking to him, and there was a little guy there looking on to the game, and he asked me "are you gonna play?" and when I ignored him (not on purpose) he started pestering the judge guy about me playing, and the judge cut him off by saying, "shhh! He's with his wife!" I didn't even pick up on it while it was happening, but Kate did and she found it very amusing.
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Well Kije, i hope you'll be there this up and coming wednesday. Because therefore whencewithferrel I will be there.
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When I spoke with "the judge" he told me that next week's shindig was going to be on Saturday, as it was the premier booster draft for Legacy. But I mentioned doing something on Wednesday night and he was open to playing then as well. I don't know if there'll be any prizes, but I for one don't need another LE Wade Wilson. If we all show up I'm sure we'll be able to play. The usual suspects (Gino and the scraggly-haired kid) will probably be lurking there as well. I will do my best to attend.
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Ya Brian, the Judge, forgot to order any Legacey because he thought they weren't comming out till next week sometime.
I'm hopeing to show up on Saturday, but I don't know about Wensday. I guess it depends on how many people show up. If there are no prizes I don't see why we should even bother playing there since everyone lives on the other end of town but me.
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True, true. But we should play somewhere. Wednesday.
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I doubt I'll be able to play Saturday, just because I have no money--everything I had for Legacy went to the case we bought. We should meet at Tage's house to play Wednesday, what with Gemm being in town and all. We could invite the whole crew and make it a big shindig.
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Yes...shindig...excellent
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Dag yo. I've totally went duh. Forgot to pack my clix figures (might have been for the better, would of probably ended up broken like my captain america). So, instead I'll just purchase some. Need an update anyways.
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Do we have details about tonight? (time, place, etc.) I'm free after 6:30 pm
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I'm not free until 8:30, but don't hold back on my account.
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Well, I'm not entirely of the idea of where it is we would go. Sprig, or Kije, any idea where we should go? I still need to pick some clix up. But, as I've been told, apparently whomsoever wants to can come over to Tage's place here and we can play some games. So, be here, whenever I guess?
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I say just meet at Tage's place (at 6:30 or so, if that's when people are available) and amuse yourselves with Heroclix or something until I get there at 8:30 or so. I'll bring Heroclix, Mechwarrior (a four-person game of that could be fun) and the new pirate game.
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I can be there (at Tage's) around 6:30.
As far as picking new clix up: you can if you want to, although if you want to use some of mine that's perfectly fine. While I can't speak for him Fell has also been willing to let others use his clix in the past, and he probably won't have any problem with it. He's got a lot more than I do.
If you really want to go out and get some more I can take you to do that. I went out last Saturday to see if I could pick up a booster of the latest set (DC Legacy) which was just released last week, and only found it at one store in Provo, and they only had 3-4 left at the time. I'm not sure if anywhere else would have got some in in the meantime. The stores do have boosters from other previous sets.
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My clix go back to the first two sets, maybe 3. So, I could use an update.
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Well, as I predicted, I was the only one to show up for the marque (why do you think I called you two). So I walked away with Bruce Wayne and Jimmy Olsen! I tried to get all 8 Jimmys, instead of Bruce, but the guy running it, Brian wasn't there, wouldn't give them to me as my prize.
I'll post my team as an article, but I did pull a V Joker and a LE Mr. Freeze (who's missing an arm for somereason). Sorry, no GL Fell.
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Dang, I really wish I'd been able to go. Oh well. At least you have a Jimmy.
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Well, I was hoping to join you all this Wednesday, but I will instead be training for my new job. Maybe next week.
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I can't go this week either, so it all works out. Next week it is!
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I should be there this Wed, but a tad late (I'm thinking 6:15 to 6:30).
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Cool, I'll let them know.
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So Kije is going to write us the ultimate stragety guide, a summery of which would be "run and hide for the win!"
;D
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Assuming they're holding a game this week, I of course want to use my shiny new Green Lantern. That leaves me 75 points to fiddle with, and I've come up with a few good support characters that I want to run by you guys to see what you think.
The first plan is simply to use an Outwitter who can remove defensive powers and keep GL safe. The rookie Ra's Al Ghul would be good for this, but I think the rookie Joker is even better: his starting click is perfect Outwit support combined with good defense (17 with super senses), and he can toss out smoke clouds for an extra defensive boost. Rookie Joker also has the best clicks of all three jokers, in my opinion, so he could continue to be useful later on.
Plan B is to get a cheaper support piece and put both characters in contact with Oracle--this would give me two free Perplexes, so to speak, and still give me enough points for pretty good support. Abbey Chase is always good, with three defensive powers all stacked up to keep her Outwitting as needed; Lobster Johnson isn't quite as protected, but he could borrow the KC team ability to keep people from basing him. Nightwing is even less protected, since he has no stealth, but he's more aggressive and could make better use of Oracle.
I could follow that same plan but replace Outwit with Probability Control, using veteran Jinx (poorly protected but with Psychic Blast) or veteran Domino (stealth and super senses).
Plan D is just to use my golden boy, Veteran Taskmaster. He's exactly 75 points, very aggressive, hard to hit, and could borrow the KC team ability. He's too expensive to use with Oracle, but he has Perplex to keep things evened out. He starts off as an attacker and turns into support later on, which is backwards of my other plans but might work better.
I think Joker, Domino, and Taskmaster sound like the most fun, but Lobster Johnson could work pretty well. What do you think?
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I just had an idea...
Why not use V Hawkeye (Ultimates)? He's 73 points, and with GL carrying him around it would make for one monster of a ranged combat tank. Between the two they have a combined damage of 7 and 5 ranged attacks. And they both start with RCE.
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That's not a bad idea, though I don't have a V Hawkeye. I could replace him with...Havok, Maybe? only 8 range, though. I'll have to take a look at my collection.
edit: I just looked at some stats online, and Havok would actually be pretty good--he only has 1 ranged attack, but he's a little tougher on defense and is cheap enough that I could use In Contact With Oracle and have some left over for a paramedic.
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I've got a V Hawkeye you could use if you wanted. Then you wouldn't have to include a medic (yech.)
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*sigh* I was really hopeing to use a new Joker team this week but that's crazy against KC GL, and KC Sups would basicly treat GL like Jimmy Olsen in this comic (http://www.superdickery.com/dick/3.html). I'm just going to have to hope Kije and Fell spar in the first round and Ares goes down too.
I'm going to try and make a Hush team that could take you boys down, but It's going to be very, very hard.
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hey look, it's an interview with Kije's favorite Hero Clix character Wade Wilson (http://img62.exs.cx/img62/4310/fabian1or.jpg)!
I personaly like this one http://img17.exs.cx/img17/2562/deadpool5jn.jpg
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I think I'm going to name my firstborn Wade. Boy or girl.
Oh - and I realized, Fell, that a team based on stealth would mess with KC GL pretty good. He'd be forced to melee. Which is why Hawkeye (V or E) would be a nice addition (Ultimates team ability.)
I don't know if I can make it this week. If I can, I'll need a ride, and I won't know until about 5:30.
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I thought about that too Kije, but Fell could add trickshot for all but 4 clicks of it's dial. With that a stealth team would get slaughtered by KC GL, and even if he was forced into melee GL is still a tough fighter that has a good defence and damage. Plus an adverage steath team isn't high on the attack values, Hush only has a 10 attack only batman has higher from Legacy stealthers, so they're not going to hit that much unless you had lots of perplexer or police to buff up your attack.
I see KC GL a lot like Magog, a great figure for dealing with groups (since groups tend to have a lower adverage attack/defence) but not so great against other large figures.
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I was thinking about the stealth thing, but of the people who play at GPP currently I'm the most likely one to build a stealth team.
And I think GL is better than you're giving him credit for, Sprig, but I suppose I'll have to play with him a bit first.
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I hadn't thought about Trick Shot - good call, Sprig.
The thing with KC GL is that his defensive strength is his high defense value. He has no damage reduction, so if you can get around the high value with a decent hit it takes him down into a much more hittable range. Just for the excercise I put together a team based on stealth, and got it where I could give V Punisher a 13 or 14 attack with RCE for 4 damage total. After one hit like that and suddenly he's fair game for everyone.
But that Trick Shot...I would think that that feat is KC GL's best friend. It makes him even better and more effective at something he's already awesome at. If you're going to invest that many points in a fig, it's almost worth it to invest the extra for the feat to make sure he's effective.
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Trick Shot is certainly excellent, but I'm not convinced that it's better than In Contact With Oracle (and I doubt it would be worth it to have both). Oracle will help out against any team you face, whereas Trick Shot is either vital or useless depending on the enemy's powers. I guess it's not completely useless, but not nearly as useful as Oracle would be in the same situation.
edit: A GL with both feats backed up by a Rookie Ravager or a Veteran Tiger Lily is an interesting idea, though. I still think I'd be better of with Outwit or Probability Control. Maybe Black Cat?
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Well I'm compaireing KC GL to KC Supes and Ares. I can hit GL for 8 damage with supes in one hit and all I need to do is roll a 8, thats not hard Fell. And I think I'm giveing him lots of credit since he can easyaly kick an adverage stealth teams butt without trick shot.
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Hey Fell, if no one else shows up For HC this week want to go a round or two of Star Wars minis?
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Actually, I think that I, like Kije before me, am going to stay out of GPP for a while--not because my wife demanded it or anything, but because I can tell that it bugs her and I want to avoid any problems. So how about this: once a week or so, after my kids are asleep, you and Kije and anyone else who wants to can come over and play. We can play Heroclix, SW minis, and whatever else. Sound good?
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Are we going to try and do this at your house this week Fell or is miniatures dead for this week?
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No, it can work this week, I just need to find out when. It will have to be Wednesday or Saturday if it happens at all.
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ok. You know my wensday schedule and I can do it anytime saturday.
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there's no RPG this week so I was thinking we could get togethor on Wensday or Thursday and play SW and Clix.
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Sounds good to me. What about next week--will HU be on Wedensday or Thursday?
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Looks like Wensday, but I'll know for sure on Thursday when me and EUOL (and probaly Heather) go see ROBOTS.
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Well, the good news is my wife is very happy about the eventual change to Wednesday; the bad news is she's already scheduled something for that Thursday. So I hope we're changing, because otherwise I'm out.
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I think we are, since everyone said they could do it.
Few other things.
1) I didn't get that good of a trade at GPP, they only buy cards that are popular in tourny play. Out of my stack I only got $7 from 4 cards and I convinced them to give me $25 for all my cards (about 30). So basicaly I was able to get 2 boosters.
2) Ben said if we're welcome to show up anytime to play SWM if we want. On Tuesdays they play 40k at around 6-6:30 but if we want to play SM at that time he's sure people would join in since not everyone is playing at once or some come just to watch and may want to play.
3) I got my Aerial Clone trooper captin so I'm almost content with Clone Strike, all I need now is Kit Fisto. Yea!
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Hey Kije!
Fell and I were discussing playing clix on either tomorrow or Thursday night, we're thinking Thursday and we'll know for sure once I figure out when me and EUOL are going to hang out. Let us know if you can make it. It'll either be at your or Fell's place.
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Sure - let me know. You're welcome at my place if we decide that.
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I've got an interesting scenario idea also...
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Ok me and EUOL are seeing Robots Thursday night, around 9ish, so lets get togethor tonight unless you'd rather get togethor at 11ish on Thursday.
So what time and where?
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Let's do my house at 8:30. I'll do my utmost to get the kids in bed by then (which shouldn't be too hard, but you never know).
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Ok, Fell's at 8:30 tonight. I'll bring tranquilizers just in case.
btw, I've got a Heroclix figure review that should hit the submissions box sometime today. I don't know how you're going to want to format these things (if you want a standard like Sprig's team building articles) so feel free to make the cosmetic changes necessary. Please do work with me on any substantive changes, though.
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We won't have a whole lot of time tonight, since Sprig has to leave for work at 10, so let's plan on playing SW minis--that will save us the time of building teams, plus we need to get it reviewed anyway.
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actualy I can stay till about 10:30, but ya it's not a lot of time.
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No Kije, but Sprig and 42 and I played a round of Star Wars that was quite fun. I think General Grievous could have done much better with a better team design, because the droids aren't too shabby and he himself is pretty slick. I need to try my Bespin team, though.
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I say on Thursday, if we're able to play, we do one game of SW and one of clix.
I have a Jedi team and a bounty hunter team that I want to try sometime but I was quite happy with my clone trooper army.
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In case anyone wants to go GPP are going to be playing SWM at noon tomorrow (saturday).
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so there were 7 people at GPP today and we had some fun. I was able to trade for an Anikin (RoTS) and AT-RT with Ben for some of my extra Fringe repeats (bosack, IG-88 and Lando).
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Cool. Anyone there looking for a Bail Organa (or, alternately, has a big surplus of Alderaan Troopers)?
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I actualy tried to get you some but the people that had them didn't want to trade (most only had one of them).
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Anyone know what's up for this week?
And I submitted a heroclix scenarios article, too.
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I'm not sure--HU is on Wednesday, and I know my wife is busy Thursday but I don't know what time--we might be able to play that night. I'll let you know.
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What time is HU?
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Heck if I know. 6:30 I think, but we'll need official Spriggo sanction on that.
I think our plans for tabletop this week are to play one game of SW minis and one of Heroclix, and since 42 is probably coming as well we should have a nice balance (teams will work much better for SW than a free-for-all, and might even be fun for HC). I think we should try your reincarnation scenario.
Would this be at your house or mine?
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If it's late Thursday it can be either for me.
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ya HC is wensday at 6:30ish and I would like to do clix thursday after fell's minions...err kids are in bed.
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Works for me. Do you know if 42 will be coming?
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I'll ask him next time I see him.
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He'll probaly post here himself but 42 just had a rootcanale so him showing up on Thurday all depends on how he feels.
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Basicly what Spriggy said. The botched root canal I had this morning is making me rather sick this evening. But hopefully on Thursday I won't be under that gas stuff for an hour and a half.
Or if I'm lucky, they will give me a personal supply of gas and I can share it.
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Then this will be a rockin' party.
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what are the exact rules for tonight's HC game? what's the max point total going to be for each figure and how many?
I'm not going to lug all my HC and SWM around tonight so I only want to bring what I'm going to use.
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Here's my suggestion:
SWM: 100 points each, but in teams (so it's kind of like 200). That will let us all play without worrying about the multiplayer discrepancies. Sprig and I can each make teams, and then Kije and 42 (if he comes) can jump in.
HC: 6 characters per team, 600 points max, no single character over 110. I see no reason to set a lower limit. We'll use the random reincarnation rules Kije outlined in his scenario article.
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Excellent. I was going to ask about that lower limit.
So 9 at my house, right?
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I will be late, because Dawn is at a cannery assignment until 9 or so. Expect me at 9:30, but don't both waiting if everyone's ready to start before then.
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I Just realsied that I don't know Kije's aparment number.
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This Thursday at Fell's?
And Kije, if you need a ride this time let me know I'll pick you up.
Also HU will be Wensday at 6:30 I've allready cleared it with EUOL.
Also a note I will be out of town from the 20th till either the 26th or 27th. So there will be no HU on the 25th.
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Thursday should be fine, but let me make sure. Wednesday is great.
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Sprig, just call if you're coming over tonight. But call before eight 'cause I might be gone after that if I don't hear anything.
The number is
II II VI VIII I III III
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Ya sorry about not calling, I totaly crashed today.
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I think we're doing HU tonight but I'm still waiting on EUOL to get back to me.
Also I wont be able to do anything this Thursday sence my Brother went ahead and scheulded several Home Teaching appointments that day despite me asking him not too, They're from 8pm till probaly about 10ish. On top of that we're supposed to goto Sith that day with Allen and I wouldn't be surprised if he made the apointments for the same time as the showing we're supposed to goto.
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Sorry I never got back to anyone about Tuesday night--I spent the day in Salt Lake with my parents, both whom were in the hospital (though at different times, and for different reasons).
I'll plan on HU tonight.
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I'm free tonight after 9 if anyone wants to play. And I won't need a ride.
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I'm busy tonight--we only have our Blockbuster pass until the end of May, so we're trying to get as much use out of it as we can over the next few days.
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I'm still in Idaho, I'll be back sometime tomorrow.
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Alas - you people with your travels and your wives...
Well, I decided not to sell everything, and instead spent some of the money that I got from selling that Unique Legacy Wonder Woman on a Vet Cap from Ultimates that I'd been coveting for some time. (It was actually the REV set, but the Vet was all I cared about.) I think he'll be a nice refinement to my hobby team.
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I've got hometeaching at 7 this Thursday but after that (about 7:30-7:45) I'll be free. I was thinking we could get togethor at 8-8:30 and play.
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We're on for tomorrow at 6:30.
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So anyone available this Thursday? You know the 9th? The day before Howl's moving castle comes out. The day after we play HU. The 4th day of the week. 3 days before Mustard gets abducted by aliens. You know that thursday?
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Only 3 days? They must have accelerated their schedule.
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They are time jumping aliens. Not like they have a very precise schedule. Just a very precise manner with which to work.
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So I'm thinking of selling Ares on eBay so I can get my hands on an Ultimates Thor. I think Thor is more useful (less expensive and easier to use for the point cost) and will hold his value better than Ares.
If I throw a Wade Wilson into the auction I think I should snag a fair enough price. What say ye?
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U Thor is a power creep character and way under priced in my opinion, but he is better then Ares. You probably can get a decent price for him since Legacy had such a small run but I haven't been following prices for those two characters so I wouldn't know.
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So I sold Ares...for $51!
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wow that's impressive. $51 pretty much covers how much in invested in the case though it's too bad we haven't played much sence getting it there are some cool figs in Legacy.
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This up coming Saturday (25th) is the anniversary of the TWG brawl were we all got together and played Clix. It's too bad Fell is busy or we could do this again (though without SE).
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We'll have to do one, though. I've been wanting to have a TWG Heroclix invitational, big multiplayer, for some time. I've been thinking up scenario rules for good multiplayer, and was thinking of offering a prize (non-heroclix prize, but something anyone would enjoy.)
Following is a list of UT TWGers I know who have played before and might come:
Fell
Sprig
Kije
42
Prometheus
Morag
EUOL
Of course anyone else who is interested would be welcome! (including any non-UT people that care to be in town)
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I might be able to come on the 25th, but I doubt it. I have July 5 off of work, if anyone else is in town.
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I was thinking sometime in the future, not necessarily on the 25th. Whatever works to get the most people there.
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July fifth works for me but probably not as well for others like Morag. Maybe that weekend (8th or 9th).
Umm ok that got shot down over IM.
I'm going to get the days everyone will be back from vacation and then play for something which looks like will be around the last week of July or sometime in August.
But that doesn't mean us three cannot meet the fifth and play anyway.
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Sorry about yesterday - I was indisposed. But I did get my U Thor!
The thing about him is that people see 12 attack, running shot, 5 dmg anti-stealth and start to freak. His defense isn't anything to shout about though (he's only got one click of impervious, and he's never higher than 16.) And aside from that initial running shot and the typical spectrum of damage reducers (imp-inv-tough) he has no powers. (Well, he does have charge at the end, but who would use charge when you have 10 range anti-stealth? So that's a fairly useless power.)
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I realized the other day that all my favorite figs were Ultimates, which is another reason I picked up Thor. So far I have collected U Thor, U Iron Man, E/V Cap, E/V Hawkeye, and V Black Widow.
From the rest of the team I'd like to get my hands on LE Natasha Romanova, LE Clint Barton, and V Scarlet Witch from FF. Oh, and U Hulk. That would be nice.
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I know EUOL has his meeting Wednesday, and I've got home teaching, so that means Fell probably cannot do anything that day but are either of you up for something this Thursday?