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Books / Re: Fantasy girls, where are you?
« on: January 27, 2010, 03:21:58 PM »
Got up to book 5-6 in WoT before my elitist older sister essentually shattered the fantasy genre for me by  describing the near entirety of first book using only fantasy cliche's (and having never read it).
Hey, cliches aren't bad.  There are so many of them it's practically impossible to avoid prominent use of several at once in everything.  Seriously, go check out tvtropes.org.  When you've had enough of reading through that staggeringly huge list that's actually more for stories in general than TV, come back and take this to heart: cliches are not bad; what really matters is the style, details, and execution, all of which the Wheel of Time does superbly.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: questions about brandon
« on: January 21, 2010, 02:34:51 PM »
I believe Adonalsium is not mentioned until Book 3.
And only once, and only in the chapter epigraphs, and it's misspelled as Adonasium.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: questions about brandon
« on: January 20, 2010, 10:33:37 PM »
Peter...

You missed these... I am the question man on these forums.

I already answered your question 2.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: questions about brandon
« on: January 20, 2010, 03:37:45 PM »
2. I am most of the way through the first mistborn book. I hope to finish it tonight (as I said, I don't have alot of time for reading right now so it takes me 2 weeks to finish a book). I don't recall seeing anything about the shard world info. I saw a post on the forum about how elantris, warbreaker, and mistborn are related as shardworld.

is that the atium? Does that appear in all the books? don't give away too much. I am at the beginning of the 5th part (I think).
Atium has nothing to do with it.  Elantris, Warbreaker, and Mistborn are related in that they are all in the same universe with the same basic creation mythos.  This has consequences related to how the magic systems work, and there may eventually be some stories tying everything together.

Very minor spoiler about a minor character (copy and paste to rot13.com to read):
Gurer vf bar punenpgre gung nccrnef va nyy guerr frevrf.  Ur hfhnyyl tbrf ol gur anzr bs Ubvq, naq guvf unf orra pbasvezrq ol Oenaqba gb npghnyyl or gur fnzr vaqvivqhny, abg whfg crbcyr funevat n anzr.

Somewhat more major spoiler about the creation mythos/magic system thing (again, rot13.com):
Gurer vf fbzrguvat pnyyrq Nqbanyfvhz (vg'f zragvbarq va bar bs gur Ureb bs Ntrf puncgre rcvtencuf, ohg zvffcryyrq jvgubhg gur y) juvpu jnf, nf sne nf jr pna gryy, cebonoyl fbzrguvat nxva gb Tbq.  Nqbanyfvhz jnf oebxra sne va gur cnfg, naq vf abj va gur sbez bs znal qvfgvapg Funeqf, juvpu ner qvfgevohgrq npebff gur inevbhf jbeyqf va guvf svpgvbany havirefr.  Gur cbjref bs gur Funeqf bs Nqbanyfvhz ner erfcbafvoyr sbe gur angher naq inevrgl bs gur zntvp flfgrzf va gurfr obbxf.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn: Allomancy or Feruchemy? [ SPOILER ]
« on: January 19, 2010, 06:37:41 AM »
But in a single battle, where the Feruchemist is well-stocked and has no reason to save anything for later?  There would be a beat-down. 
Yep, and it would be the mistborn being beaten.  The reason the Lord Ruler was so powerful - or rather, so much more powerful than the other original mistborn - was that he could pull off a feruchemist's potential but fuel it with metal, making it possible to use a feruchemist's one-shot power every day with a vastly reduced need to recharge.

Note, btw, that the annotation I quoted from is for a chapter from well after duralumin was discovered.

Oh yeah, another example: When the Lord Ruler faces Kelsier near the end of Final Empire, someone sticks a spear all the way through his midsection and he just ignores it.  He proceeds to have a little chat with Kelsier, kill him, carry on as if the spear were of no consequence, and then belatedly remove it.  A mistborn burning pewter and duralumin might be able to do something like that, but I'm pretty sure TLR left it in for longer than a duralumin flare lasts and he did not consume any metals to refresh a spent pewter supply.  Plus, since pewter does increase physical resistance I'm not sure the spear would have gone through him in the first place if allomancy were responsible.  I submit that this feat was almost certainly the result of feruchemy's health power, and that any feruchemist with a sufficient amount of health stored up would be able to duplicate it.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn: Allomancy or Feruchemy? [ SPOILER ]
« on: January 19, 2010, 06:16:02 AM »
It never states that tapping strength gives you any kind of physical resistance. It does however say burning pewter does, and since it never mentions it, it shouldn't be a stretch to say it doesn't.
I don't think any of my arguments have required extra physical resistance from feruchemy with pewter.

Now in regards to moving a boulder a human can flip a car to save themselves or their child, it usually involves several fractures and torn tendons but it has been done.
And yet Alendi observed feruchemists doing equivalent feats of strength without any noteworthy injury, and I rather doubt a broken bone or torn tendon would have gone without note, and did it casually as if it were routine.

Note I've met stupid lawyers at fire scenes whom I wonder how they graduated anything a degree is not impressive especially when you can get really pointless majors and know no more than algebra and take volcanoe and other pointless science credits (my father took wine making as a chem class).
Ok, you have a point.  My degree is in Computer Science from a fairly major accredited and respected college (Georgia Tech), though, and I did not select any of my science classes for being easy.

I was annoyed b/c i did mention head shot and the effects of adrenaline are well known
I acknowledged that a good head shot will take out a feruchemist, though I think I might have missed it the first time you mentioned it, but that only matters if the mistborn can land a headshot.

coupled with the effect that you share one of my most annoying vices, bold assumptions.
Assumptions about what, specifically?  I don't think I've posted an argument about feruchemical capability that wasn't backed up by something from the books, with the possible exception of extrapolating a little far from the demonstrated instances of healing and the one word "warmth" description of brass's feruchemical power.

Word of God: Everyone always says that Allomancy is the better combat skill, but that's just because the resource it uses—metal—is far more plentiful than the resource Feruchemy uses. Put the two into a battle together with enough power to spare, and the Feruchemist will almost always win.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn: Allomancy or Feruchemy? [ SPOILER ]
« on: January 18, 2010, 11:33:17 PM »
It's not the heat that you worry about it's the air! Come on! Everything i said is a basic understanding of science that you should have to graduate highschool (and i'm from the state that is ranked 46th in public education, that however doesn't include higher education). Air is matter so when you move through it you displace it and the faster you go the more air you displace, this process builds friction. Air resistance (which is the friction caused by air displacement) actually limits how fast you can fall, don't believe me, go jump out of a plane.
Do give me some credit, please.  I've graduated from college, and I know what I'm talking about.  Yes, air resistance slows you down, imposes a maximum gravity-powered falling speed, and is a form of friction.  It does not, except possibly at speeds very close to the speed of sound, cause any problem feruchemy cannot overcome with sufficient power.

Air is matter so when you move through it you displace it and the faster you go the more air you displace, this process builds friction. Air resistance (which is the friction caused by air displacement) actually limits how fast you can fall, don't believe me, go jump out of a plane.
And friction is primarily a problem due to the heat it generates.  The main concern in designing supersonic jet aircraft is not how to make it strong enough to survive the forces involved, but in how to dissipate the heat generated fast enough.

If you were to go supersonic it would be like running into a never ending wall and the pressure would kill you move or less instantely.
No, that's what happens at the speed of sound.  If you go faster than sound, you leave the "wall" behind.

Regardless, a feruchemist would not have to move supersonic in order to beat a mistborn.  All you need is enough speed to make aiming at you practically impossible, and to get to the mistborn before he can dodge.

And different parts of your body take years to heal, according to my Genetics textbook nerve cells gennerally take 5 years, (and some organs/ bones only refill with scar tissue while others don't heal) a head shot would kill you period.
If a headshot actually hits and gets through the skull to do major damage to the brain, then yes the feruchemist is dead.  As for speed of healing other things, consider a) Sazed's encounter with Marsh and how he handled the rings Marsh embedded in his belly, and b) Marsh after Vin got through with him just before ascending.  Following those examples, a year or two of stored health would be enough to heal almost anything not instantly fatal, I think.

And anyone who works out with any fitness guru or a bunch of football players will tell you that people who lift more than their tendons can take end up tearing their tendons which has nothing to do with muscular strength.
Ok.  What makes you think tapping a pewtermind doesn't increase tendon strength too?  Again, if this were as serious a problem as you seem to be advocating, I doubt the boulder-tossing feat described in Alendi's logbook or Sazed's fight against the Koloss would have been possible.

In FE Vin explains on her first pewter run why she can run so fast without falling
I'll grant you that tapping a pewtermind probably doesn't duplicate that effect.  Tapping mental speed should work to compensate.

And if you try to balance strength with weight it takes more strength to balance the increasing weight
I rather doubt the increased weight would take all of the increased strength, and you'd only need it during those short moments when you're exerting your strength.  When you're just moving around you don't need it, and when you're tearing something apart the increased weight is a lesser problem because you don't actually have to move your body very much.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn: Allomancy or Feruchemy? [ SPOILER ]
« on: January 18, 2010, 10:09:28 PM »
Even without a ceiling Allomancy is stronger. I don't care how fast you can get (if you were to run over the sound barrier friction would kill you btw) b/c once you hit a certain speed with feruchemy you no longer have coordination (doesn't happen with pewter)...
A) Do you have a reference for that?
B) Even if that is true, I believe tapping an equivalent amount of mental speed would compensate quite well.

if you were to run over the sound barrier friction would kill you btw
By producing lots of heat - which Feruchemy can store, preventing it from actually hurting you.  Additionally, it is not instant death so tapping health would allow you to heal it before dying.

and you are moving so fast the fall it self would kill you.
What fall?

Also, how does storing health prevent a coin from going through your body? Last time i checked it heals you it doesn't make you invulnerable or thick-skinned? If someone hits you in the head game over period.
Yes, it heals rather than making you invulnerable.  The healing is so fast (with sufficient power), however, that it might as well be invulnerability against anything that doesn't kill you instantly, and pretty much nothing short of physically separating your head from your body or destroying the brain entirely is going to do that.

And if you tap too much strength your muscles literally turn your skeletal structure too mush, not too mention your muscles already can handle more weight/ pressure than your tendons...
Got a reference?  If that were true, I'm fairly sure feruchemists would not be able to toss boulders around as Alendi observed, and Sazed would have snapped several bones in his fight with the Koloss.  Also, ISTR tapping weight makes your bones stronger (I think Sazed mentioned this in mental commentary while fighting the treasonous Kandra), so they can compensate for that.

so there are biological caps everywhere for a feruchemist they CAN'T compete in a fight with a mistborn.
I am almost completely certain every biological cap is either handled by the very same power it supposedly limits or can be dealt with by another feruchemical power.

Also, I remember Brandon himself stating, either on his blog or in the Q&A thread, that a well stocked feruchemist will beat a mistborn in single combat.  I don't have the time right now to dig up the quote, but I'm quite sure of it.

The limitation on feruchemy is not the maximum power use rate, but the difficulty of storing up power.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn: Allomancy or Feruchemy? [ SPOILER ]
« on: January 18, 2010, 07:39:20 PM »
I think you're missing a crucial point here: while duralumin boosts power very high, it still hits a limit.  Feruchemy has no limit other than the amount of power you have available and are willing to spend.  Pewter = strength X.  Pewter+duralumin = strength 50X.  Feruchemy with enough power = strength 10000X, though that much power is hard to get.

In the beginning of Hero of Ages, when Vin and Elend are fighting an Inquisitor in the midst of a Koloss army, there is one instant where the Inquisitor moves ridiculously fast, to the point where Vin is absolutely certain that not even duralumin could explain it.  This Inquisitor has an extra spike that we, the readers, know grants the feruchemical ability of speed (I don't remember which metal that is).  Combine that degree of power with speed, strength, and mental speed all at once, and you have something not even a duralumin-fueled mistborn can match, for as long as the power holds out.  A feruchemist tapping enough speed could, in fact, move his own body faster than a duralumin-pushed coin.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn: Allomancy or Feruchemy? [ SPOILER ]
« on: January 18, 2010, 04:38:01 PM »
A Mistborn really does have superiority in most any fight, though a prepared Feruchemist would probably be able to take most any Misting.
Depends on how long the feruchemist has been storing up power and how much he's willing to spend on the one fight.  Spending a year's worth of strength and speed in a few seconds, I'm pretty sure a feruchemist could rip off a duralumin/pewter burning mistborn's head before the mistborn could even react, despite the boost from a duralumin-fueled pewter flare, even if he did it right in the middle of the flare.

This, plus the ability to get his feruchemic power from an allomantic source, is the true secret of the Lord Ruler's power.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Where's the annotation?
« on: January 05, 2010, 05:00:45 PM »
If they're all already written, why not just queue the whole lot?  Then you wouldn't have to worry about coming back here and finding this thread bumped with another "missing annotation" notice for the entire book's run.

Oh, and: Today's Annotation Is Missing.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm - First Impressions *SPOILERS*
« on: December 18, 2009, 11:37:04 PM »
I'm with douglas and Eerongal on the whole Moiraine issue. She is held in high regard because Rand came to trust her.
Not just that.  He trusted her, and she earned that trust.  The only other characters with any claim to that are his three lovers, and I'm not sure how much that counts given that they got it mostly because he happened to fall in love with them.  He trusts Perrin and Mat too, and probably most of the Emond's Fielders, but only because he grew up with them and trust was established before the series even started and they haven't broken it yet.

I was always confused by her character progression though. She went from the stern, strict, overbearing, motherly figure to a complete psychopath.
At least part of the psychopath change was due to Fain's influence, remember.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Gathering Storm - First Impressions *SPOILERS*
« on: December 18, 2009, 10:32:16 PM »
I really do not understand why so many people hold Moiraine in such high regard
At least for me, it's because she actually managed to earn Rand's trust, and did so by proving to him that she deserved it and that she was trying to help him rather than control and manipulate him.  When people talk about Moiraine as a highly respected and liked character that they really want back, I believe they are usually talking about Moiraine as she was between her trip to Rhuidean and her death.  In that interval she dealt with Rand perfectly and with none of the undeserved arrogance that makes most Aes Sedai act like idiots.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Where's the annotation?
« on: December 04, 2009, 06:53:33 AM »
*poke*

Looks like you need to queue a few more, Peter.

Thanks in advance.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Way of the Kings
« on: December 04, 2009, 02:38:09 AM »
Yes, Brandon can reveal whatever he wants to about Way of Kings.  Bookstore Guy and Peter can't, though, and they're the ones in this conversation.

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