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Title: Bad Cartoons (and games) Make Bad Citizens
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on May 27, 2004, 10:57:05 PM
http://www.techcentralstation.com/052704B.html

interesting article, he actually talks at least as much about violent games as he does about violent cartoons.

Opinions?
Title: Re: Bad Cartoons (and games) Make Bad Citizens
Post by: Tekiel on May 28, 2004, 04:16:10 AM
Whoa, he sounded so practical and funny at first.  But near the end I swear I could hear him shouting.

Interesting report, and in many parts I agree with him:
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Consider also violent video games. According to Jones, most children know perfectly well that video games aren't reality. Kids understand video games for what they are: caricatured representations of a mock-reality, not reality itself.

However, he seems to stereotype people just as easily as everyone he's opposing ("Raising men is a job for men, not bureaucrats").  And that makes it difficult for me to take him seriously.  It's hard for me to listen to someone who stereotypes whole generations of people.  I like his point, but he needs to keep it practical and calm.
Title: Re: Bad Cartoons (and games) Make Bad Citizens
Post by: 42 on May 28, 2004, 04:59:59 AM
I've heard a lot of those arguments before, however, this guy doesn't have a very tight case. Is it just me or does he ramble a lot?
Title: Re: Bad Cartoons (and games) Make Bad Citizens
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on May 28, 2004, 07:34:04 AM
actually, reading that and a few of his others reminded me a lot of Montagne. I think he's got a witty spin on a lot of things. I don't always agree with him, but remember, he's writing for "techcentralstation" not the New Republic or anything.

No, his arguments aren't air tight. And yes, his organization is weak (it takes at LEAST half the essay to get to any sort of thesis), but I don't think he's trying to convince anyone. I think he's writing politically to entertain, rather than to convince.
Title: Re: Bad Cartoons (and games) Make Bad Citizens
Post by: 42 on May 28, 2004, 08:24:49 AM
Well, it wasn't that entertaining. 2 stars at best.
Title: Re: Bad Cartoons (and games) Make Bad Citizens
Post by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on May 28, 2004, 08:57:41 AM
I disagree. I think his style was very interesting. I was entertained.
I think this has to do with expectations. You were expecting a solid argument with an objective. However, the person who linked me to it hadnt' read it. She just saw "Superfriends" and thought because of my comic book interest that it would be interesting to me. So I expected a nostalgia fest, and instead I found a witty presentation of an opinion. I liked.
Title: Re: Bad Cartoons (and games) Make Bad Citizens
Post by: GorgonlaVacaTremendo on May 29, 2004, 01:39:34 PM
Interesting enough I have an essay due on this subject, with this opinion, on tuesday.  Thanks for another source... we need a minimum of five.

Which obviously shows I agree with the guy, but his structure was weird and he bounced around a bit too much, I think.  I didn't really enjoy it too much but it brings up some interesting points, not unlike most pro-violent video game advocates.