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Rants and Stuff / Re: For Brandon - Religion (Potentially sensitive)
« on: November 21, 2008, 04:42:18 AM »
What deems you ready for greater understanding and why would you be condemned for learning such secrets. It is mentioned in the Bible numerous times to seek GOD out.

Matthew 7:6-8
 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

The things the church will reveal to you when you are ready are things apart from the Bible. As we discovered even the church with the greatest intentions can become corrupt.

May I ask what is so wrong about the original Bible?

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Rants and Stuff / Re: For Brandon - Religion (Potentially sensitive)
« on: November 21, 2008, 02:17:10 AM »
Im sorry, I apologize for the misunderstanding and thank you for looking into it.  Also what is the underlying reason why they say that you are not ready to understand? Is it because whence you get in that far you cannot get out? The Bible does not hide anything so why should the Church? This is what happened with the Catholic Church. They got too power hungry and started to pervert GOD's word. Yes this is seen in all religious organizations. What is important is to stick with the Bible only. 

This is one reason why I do not hold the Mormon doctrine to be true.
Another is the contradictions in the revisions. http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changeappendixb.htm
The undeniable shady history of the Church.
There is no reason for the Bible to change. The Old testament prophesized the coming of Jesus and the New Testament is the coming of Christ and his victory over sin and Death. With this completed why would He change it. If he was going to change it he would have given a warning from the beginning. But Jesus states the opposite.

Matthew 24:23-25
At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.

These are my reasons why

Thank You for your time.

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Rants and Stuff / Re: For Brandon - Religion (Potentially sensitive)
« on: November 21, 2008, 12:26:08 AM »
You may deny me or staight out shun me but I made it clear that I want to present certain points you might not have considered. From what you have told me it has become apparent that your Church is withholding certain truths from you. For me a Lutheran the Bible is sola scriptura nothing else. This may make you feel uneasy but that is what life is about; solving the problems at hand instead of running away or making excuses.

So with this said I sincerely hope you will look beyond your bias

This is a personal story by an Ex-LDS member
I ask you to take a look at what she has to say
http://www.realmormonhistory.com/my.htm

Here is her website consisting of well documented facts of Mormon history
http://www.realmormonhistory.com/

If you truly say that you are not the ignorant ones you will listen to what she has to say. Other than that I will be happy to answer any questions about where I stand. Thank You for your time~

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Rants and Stuff / Re: For Brandon - Religion (Potentially sensitive)
« on: November 20, 2008, 07:22:01 PM »
Matthew 24:23-25
At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.

As for Saul, he was accompanied with other men on his way to Damascus who heard Jesus but did not see him. GOD also spoke to Ananias in a vison to restore not only Paul's physical blindness but spiritual blindness as well. Paul also talked with the Apostles Jesus' works and teachings.

The same cannot be said about Smith who was the sole witness but who could not locate the ancient texts. Also he could not read any ancient egyptian texts in his trial by which he said was the language the writtings were in.

Ephesians 2:8-10
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

The only path to salvation is through Trust in Jesus Christ. Trust is not something we do but a confirmation of what Christ has done for us. For he has earned my trust, I do not blindly follow him. For I have realized that I truly need him.

1 Corinthians 13: 8-13
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

As I have stated before I do good works out of love and gratitude not for personal gain but for those who see my good works so that they too may come to believe. It has come to my attention that LDS is very generous to those interested in the church. You provide houses and support for those in need which is great, but I have heard that those who turn away from the Mormon church lose everything. Yet they say it was worth it.

So no matter what we do we will always be sinful and imperfect till we are renewed after death. Our goal is to not better ourselves but bring others to the relationship with GOD.

Also GOD knowing who we were before our birth does not imply that we were alive before it only says that he is all knowing.

Please forgive me if I made something unclear or if I jumped around a bit. I do speak harshly not out of hatred but out of concern. You are all wonderful and kind people but I want to bring some things to light that might not have thought about before.
Thank You for your patience

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Rants and Stuff / Re: For Brandon - Religion (Potentially sensitive)
« on: November 20, 2008, 09:16:03 AM »
I am aware that this thread has been forgotten for quite some time but I do have points that I want you all to consider. I may sound harsh and stubborn but I want to propose certain questions and answers to the LDS faith. There is much to cover but please be patient and I will try to answer your questions rationally.

Does God's Omniscience Eliminate Free-Will?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbZqByqy5To
I may refer to Prof. William Craig in the future.

 I agree that we all have Free will. I also agree that it was our choice to eat from the forbidden tree. I do not however agree with the LDS view of pre life. There is no mention of this in the Bible anywhere. It is only through the publications of John Smith that changes the word of GOD.

First of all why would GOD show this to one person instead of a multitude? The accounts of Jesus Christ are written by multiple witnesses. Any error would be corrected by those who witnessed Jesus' resurrection. So how does a single person born about 2000 years afterward  have the right to change GOD's word? Since GOD is all knowing why would he change it? You may say it is a test but it is already a test. To listen and believe the original word of GOD. The authors of the New Testament wrote so that you too may believe.(From all NT manuscripts only 99.5% has error between them) 

Life is not about good works. It is only through trust in Jesus that we are saved. He has restored our relationship with GOD by becoming one of us and paying for all of our sins. It is because of what he did for us is why we do good deeds, out of love and gratitude so that those who see the kindness in our hearts may believe.

I will stop here for now. Please forgive me if there are any typing errors in my writting.
Thank You

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