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General => Rants and Stuff => Topic started by: Mad Dr Jeffe on June 16, 2006, 09:59:53 PM
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So, yeah Im not ashamed to admit that my commander and chief and I don't see eye to eye on a lot. Still as a Coastie and someone who's seen the effects of ocean pollution, overfishing, and rogue drift nets I was somewhat stunned when our Pres created the worlds largest marine sanctuary the other day. And when I mean large I mean that its larger than 46 of the U.S. 50 states (not combined), and more than seven times larger than all the other 13 national marine sanctuaries combined. Words fail me.
He decided to do it after watching Jacque Cousteau's son's show on PBS (Ocean adventures).
The area of the pacific thats protected was destined to become a fishing wasteland, as its one of the more remote places on earth, Japanese and Chinese fisherman like to go there to drift net tons of fish... they can actually catch them there. Anyone whos ever done fishery patrol off of New England will know just how much damage drift nets have done in the space of two generations to thats areas fisheries.
So wow.
Mr. President, this non alcoholic beverage produced by Annheiser Busch is for you.
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Fish are friends, not food! ;D
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say that to a spicy tuna roll.
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I shall. Gladly. I ate far too many tuna sandwiches in jr. high and I can scarcely eat it anymore. :P
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As a fish advocate, I applaud Pres. Bush's efforts to protect fish habitates. Incidentally, from a economic point of view, marine sanctuaries are a positive step toward economic stability.
Overfishing occurs because no individual fisherman has an incentive to stop overfishing and preserve fishing stocks. Oceans are the text-book example of the tragidy of the commons. This new marine sanctuary, by virtue of it massive size, should at least give some species a chance of rebounding from overfishing (assuming that global pollution, climate change, or natural disasters don't wipe them out).
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I shall. Gladly. I ate far too many tuna sandwiches in jr. high and I can scarcely eat it anymore. :P
Comparing a Tuna Roll to a Tuna sandwich is like comparing Spam to Prosciutto.
...Maybe that's just me. :)
....does this mean that our nation is being run by a Frenchmen on public broadcasting?
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Comparing a Tuna Roll to a Tuna sandwich is like comparing Spam to Prosciutto.
Yes, but before I had a good friend introduce me to sushi I always associated "Tuna Roll" with "Tuna CassaROLE" blechk.
Tuna Roll is a really stupid name for something so scrumptious.
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Scrummy tuna just sounds odd though...
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I could go for a spicy tuna roll right now, (or scrummy tuna or whatever you what to call it). Too bad that my current budget prevents me from being able to afford such sophisticated food. Heck, my kinds eat so much that I had to go to Whole Foods and have free samples for dinner. Fortunately, there was thia halibut for free. Yes, life isn't easy since I've been unemployed for almost a year. :-/
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on a related environmental note Whole Foods has gone to a 0% waste policy where food and trash are either recycled (trash) used as fertilizer/ mulch or donated to homeless shelters before it goes bad. Also they are the only buisness in the us purchasing 00% of its power from wind producers.
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I'm told that the UK government was told it had two choices by it's energy industry experts: either we build more nuclear power plants, or we buy energy from the french, who use nuclear power plants to generate it. The promises made by wind farms, etc, just don't live up to the needs of the country.
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They should build some pebble-bed reactors.
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Wind has started to take off in a big way here, because of huge open spaces and newer more efficent wind generating stations. You can even farm around Wind generators, a prospect not lost of american agribuisness.
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Wind Farms are nothing but high tech bird slaughtering machines.
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/programs/bdes/altamont/altamont.html
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No matter how hard you try to please everyone, someone is going to get mad. Especially environmentalists.
Every nation that can, should use nuclear power, it is by far the best.
mmmmm.. Spicy tuna roll...
Anyway! Back to your regularly scheduled discussion.
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the altamont study in wind energy used seriously outdated wind generators,... with small vanes... and super high speed rotation on top of a steel lattice that made and excellent perch. They also did little site research before putting in the farm and decided to place it in the middle of a major bird migration route. Result instant bird bologna.
Plenty of new studies have been done with new power generators that spin very slowly because of gears and large vanes... and the bird kill count has gone down to almost nil. Yes they did kill birds but now power lines kill more birds than the windmills.
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Has anyone ever looked into hamster farms with endless fields of running wheels to generate our power needs? Hehe... then maybe apply it over to health clubs in place of treadmills, so people are paying me for their own electricity. They would be paying me twice! The IRS should hire me as an idea man.
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Yes they did kill birds but now power lines kill more birds than the windmills.
Two birds with one power source!
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All you need now is to have a bunch of DDT thrown right into the blades of the windmills to maximize your effectiveness.
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except power lines leading to wind turbines have to be buried now.
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It almost seems that the hidden agenda behind many environmentalists is not to get cleaner repleshishable energy, But to eliminate the industrial revolution and move the world back to an agraian economy. They use the problems of energy production as an excuse while throwing roadblocks in the way of new methods.
Wind
Nuclear
Hydroelectric
Tidal
All valid, safe and effective ways to produce energy. All opposed by some wing of environmentalism.
Truth is, we have a population that can no longer be supported by agrarian economics, and for these people to get their way, Millions would have to die in poverty and starvation.
Thus it is a wish that is contrary to the betterment of mankind
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Actually, environmentalists that protest dams/hydroelectric, are funded by the corporations that profit from the current system. And ditto with nuclear. Most Environmentalists are gullible tools of the primary industry. Not kidding.
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They aren't necessarily funding by corporations or businesses that profit from the status que. Many environmentalist just don't realize the trade-off (i.e. by opposing the hydo-electric dam, they are supporting the coal-burning, acid-rain making power industry).
You can say that most environmentalist are gullible. Too many environmentalist don't seem to understand economics well enough to support there own cause. Thus, ignorance of economics is the true killer of the environment.
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Sure. I was extrapolating from the experience of a friend of mine. He's a manager of some sort for the hydroelectric facilities in Utah, state employee and all that. He figured he'd "follow the money" on one of the groups that was opposing one of their projects and found, almost immediately, several large donations from one of the big eastern energy corps that was at that time selling power to Utah and California. He pursued it and discovered that it was a general rule with the groups he was dealing with.
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Ahh,
Yes, following the money up from many protestors and activists who themselves may have good/pure intentions and you find some very disturbing things higher up.
Fact is, there is a set out there who protes for the sake of protesting and they dont do the due dilligence to look deeply into the issues that they take a stand on. Instead they show up at the rally, Pick up a pre-printed sign (Printed often by an intrest group with a divergent agenda) and just stand in line chanting the slogan while pattingthemselves on the back for being soicialy concious and unique...
Look at CARE and AWNSER's involvement in Anti-War demonstrations... thats always a fun money trail.
Or, the Anti-Hydro protestors SKAR mentions. My favorite, though is the who Hybrid scam. It keeps gas dependency and costs MORE to the customer... While making the auto-maker look like they are taking action