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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: 42 on November 22, 2004, 10:55:58 PM
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So, January 14th is the release date. Saw the trailer for it in front of National Treasure.
It looks really cool. They've taken the Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon/Hero approach to the cinematography, which I like.
And I like Jenifer Garner, even if she does need to eat a few dozen Big Macs.
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I hated daredevil much less than others. I thought it was mediocre, but not terrible. I can definitely give Elektra a chance.
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yeah, sign me up for Elecktra! Any chance to see Jennifer Garner in a tight, revealing outfit is something I can not pass up. I didn't think that DareDevil was all that bad. If I had my choice, Ben Affleck wouldn't have been DD, but Jennifer definately worked for Elecktra.
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Elektra is going to air the "Serenity" trailer too. We're still debating over whether or not to see it.
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If Elektra gets a lot of bad reviews, I probably won't see it. At least not in the theaters, except maybe the dollar theater.
But the trailer pursuaded me to see the film. I thought Daredevil was mediocre. It would have been a lot better without Ben what's-his-name. I thought Jenifer Garner and the rest of the cast did a great job. Course it could have just been because that Affleck guys did such a bad job that he made everyone else look great.
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I thought she was better in the average Alias episode than she was in DD (which I still enjoyed as a movie; my sister and I both came out of there with a "that was cool" feeling), but I'm still interested in seeing this movie if it gets good recommendations.
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All I have to say is that Jennifer Garner in a tight, revealing skintight outfit is something I can't wait to see on the big screen. Who cares is the move follows DareDevil. What I mean by that is that DD was a piss pore film that didn’t follow my standards for character or the comic book world we have seen in films such as Spiderman 1 & 2 and X-men 1 & 2. Come on if you are going to be a superhero you need to bulk up and look the part. Anyways DD was one of my favorite comic growing up, but Ben did such a poor job playing the role that my childhood dresm is gone. Oh well at least my adult dream are still on track
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I feel compelled to submit to you that if someone not portraying your favorite comic exactly how you want them to ruins your dreams, that you are very fragile and frankly, too subjectable to others' opinions.
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To be fair, Ben Affleck did severly tarnish the image of DareDevil. He didn't even do a mediocre job with the role. It was just plain bad.
I think it is best for DD fans to try and block out the image of Ben Affleck as DareDevil. Return to the more unblemished past of Daredevil as captured in the original comics. Then get a therapist to help you through your pain and send the bill to Ben Affleck for shattering all of your hopes and dreams. And don't forget to blame him for everything that has gone wrong in your life. Trust me, you will feel much better.
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Or just read Theater Hopper. He has one cahracter that attacks Ben Affleck with an axe at every opportunity. He often forces opportunities.
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So the trailers on TV are referring to her dying in Daredevil and coming back--so is Elecktra a character from Daredevil? Can someone give me a rundown of the general storyline? (I never saw Daredevil.)
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Elektra is Daredevils on and off again love interest, she was trained by ninjas and is an assassin for hire. In the comic she was killed by the hand a ninja clan and later ressurected by them if I remember right. In the movie she was killed by Bullseye.
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My understanding was that Bullseye killed her in the comics, too, as a way of making Daredevil mad.
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I think Elektra mythos as a whole has her dying a number of times. Not sure if the various deaths are meant to be related to one another.
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Jennifer Garnier. Ninja. Dibs.
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an intersting side note, apparently she was hospitalized recently and they determined that she had done some serious nerve damage to herself during the filming of the movie... and she might not fully recover.
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well, the initial reviews aren't good. Something along the lines that this movie will kill the super-hero genre. But things are early still and the first reviewers could just be bitter opponents to comic book adaptations.
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11 reviews on RT, all bad. I'm with 42 on this one--doesn't look good.
I doubt it will kill the superhero genre; it would take a more high-profile, summer flop to do any serious damage. Late winter, like early fall, is when studios generally release their long-shots. So, I doubt anyone is expecting too much from this one.
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Who's that guy with the wolf tattoo and a wolf jumps out of it, he looked cool.
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i'll still watch it. becuase she's hot
(and also because I feel obligated to watch all comic book movies that aren't rated R)
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it would take a more high-profile, summer flop to do any serious damage.
(see also: Batman & Robin)
Thanks to X-Men & Spidey, we're being bombarded by comic movies. That being a blessing or curse...well, IMO there haven't been any great ones yet, but I'm hoping. Most have been so-so at best, I hear Iron Man is on the slate though...
I will be seeing Elektra at some point for the fight scenes and that crazy tatoo guy...and Jennifer Garner.
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The only reason I will see E is for Garner. I hated the DD movie, and that doesn't have anything to do with my dislike for Bennifer. I thought the whole thing was poor.
Because of that I am not expecting much from E, either, but who can argue with Garner in that red outfit.
:P
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I dunno. The Spideys are among my fav movies of any genre. The X-Men were really good. The Incredibles also pretty darn good. Hulk (and many will disagree) pretty solid (not the best admittedly). Then we have a bunch of average ones, like MIB and the Blades, which people enjoy watching, but don't break any new ground or aren't especially brilliant. Every genre has it's weak points. If you're looking at Daredevil and Catwoman and Elecktra as saying the genre is suffering, I think you have the wrong perspective. Here's how I break it up For the last 20-25 years. I'm sticking with Superhero ones, so films like The Ring and what's it's bucket about the hitman with Tom Hanks aren't on it. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but I'll be reminded.
Very Good
Batman
Superman
Superman II
X-Men
X2
Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
Hulk
Mystery Men
Hellboy
The Incredibles
Average to Good
MIB
Blade
Blade II
Batman Returns
(I haven't seen Blade III, but I hear it belongs on this list)
Flash Gordon
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
Dick Tracy
The Phantom
The Mask
Bad or Worse
Punisher
1980's Punisher
1980's Captain America
Supergirl
Superman III
Superman IV
Daredevil (though I thought it average, I thought I'd grade tough)
MIB II
Catwoman
Batman and Robin
Batman Forever
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II
The Shadow
The Mask II (come on, I don't even have to see it to know this sucks)
In the near future, I'm thinking we'll be adding Elektra to this last list if we're grading tough, but that Batman Begins will be added to the first or second lists (I'm being optimistic). Likewise, most people are still hopefull that Fantastic Four will be at least average.
By this reckoning we have a dozen bad movies. Two of which were straight to video (the 1980's Marvel flicks), so the producers recognized how bad it was before it was even released. And three of which (MIB II, Punisher, and Daredevil) could be argued up to the next level by some fans (I personally would only argue Daredevil up to average).
By this same reckoning we have 11 movies that are very good or better. I can see two of them being argued down to average (Hulk and Mystery Men) but I'm inclined to leave them where they are. Even if we do down grade them, then we're still, even being tough on the genre, looking at 14 bad to 9 very good. with between 11-13 on the average or so list (depending on how harsh we are with the very good ones, that means that there are almost twice as many average or better superhero flicks than there are bad ones.
I dunno, I think that's pretty darn good for comics translated to the silver screen. Most genres, I would argue, have much bigger percentages in the average or bad sections.
edit: fixed the name of Batman returns and a bunch of new movies I suddenly remembered. I also want to mention (once again) that I would pay big bucks if liscencing deals could be worked out for a Maximum Carnage adaptation with Spidey, Venom, and Carnage duking it out, with a preceding movies explaining Venom's origin somehow.
Does anyone know whether "Dark Man" was originally a comic and how many of those movies there were?
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I would move Mystery Men down and MIB up--I thought it was one of the better movies of the genre. Other than that, I agree with most of your placings here. (I used to love Batman Forever, but I think I was on a sugar rush or something. I haven't been able to watch it without gagging in about seven years.)
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you left out the 80's FF movie that was so bad it wasnt even released to video... its just bootlegged and sold at Cons..
Remember Vicki the punk from Greensboro, She and I bought it when we were dating, man that was a bad bad movie...
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yeah, I should get around to adding that. Thank goodness Marvel stopped making movies for 20 years.
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Mystery Men is awesome.
And I also liked Supergirl...
Where would you put Spawn? Hmm...was Darkman a comic?
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oh. Spawn. You know, I've never actually watched it. I'll need group opinion on that.
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I'd put Spawn in the adverage section. It had good fx for it's time and decent acting, except by John Leguizamo, who was realy good. The plotting and some of the minor acting was a little on the bad side. Though I think the Spawn Cartoon (from HBO) should be on the realy good list. Though I think most of the comic cartoons, especialy the Bruce Timm ones, have been good to realy good. Heck I even liked the Arche TMNT, though I account that to age.
Also, I like Batman Returns better then the first batman. Though I'd move MIB, Shadow, and MIB 2 up one slot each.
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As for Darkman, IMDB has 3 movies (only one was done by Rami) and it's not based off of a Comic book. In the Trivia section for the movie it has:
Director Sam Raimi originally wanted to base this movie on "The Shadow" and had to create the character of "Darkman" when he couldn't obtain the rights.
Guess Liam was Raimi's second choice for Darkman, he wanted Bruce Campble and the studio wouldn't let him. Though Campble did fill in for Neilson for a few reshots.
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I deliberately didn't do TV/Cartoons. because without thinking about it there is a superman cartoon and TV series, plus old cartoons and an old serial series, batman (2 series) three different team up incarnations, 2 series of superfriends, birds of prey, a flash series, spider-man series, at least 3 spider-man cartoon series, at least 2 hulk series, a fantastic four series, at least 2 x-men series, teen titans. And that's without pausing. It was just too much. Someone can list those out if they want.
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I really enjoyed DD, and would put it in the very good section. But everybody else is foolish. Batman forever was average when i last saw it, which was a while ago. Hellboy needs its own section - 'UBER 31337'. MIB is a good movie, but I feel no desire to watch it again... so average is right I guess.
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Most of the placement you guys disagree with me on is to move things up in rank. Which goes to demonstrate my point even more. There are more average or better movies in the superhero genre than there are bad entries.
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Yes but saint - we all just like saying your wrong.
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then you should do it in a way that shows me wrong, rather than proving my important ideas right :)
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Or maybe it's the fact that we're so traumatized by the sub-par ones that they stand out more.
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oh, you know, there's another one I should add on there. LXG. I'm thinking that pulp is "close enough" for superheroes. I'm putting it in the average category. Some neat ideas, some halfway decent acting, some really poor execution.
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That actually was a comic first, wasn't it?
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yes, that gets added to the list of movies based on superhero comics.
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I would put Spawn in the really bad category, and the little I saw of LXG would belong there as well.
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I just saw Elektra. It sucked.
Ok, they got the first five minutes right, and Jennifer is UBERHAWT, but they seemed to absolutely stuff it up from there on.
Firstly, she's supposed to be a leet Ninja assassin. The pacing is terrible - no fight scenes for the first half or three quarters, then most of the uninspired bad guys die in one attack. There's no cool ninja moves or surprise stunts.
Secondly, Elektra is supposed to be cold and stuff. But she spends half the movie running around screaming like a hysterical mother. Please, I udnerstand the need for defence of a target, but this is Elektra. She should defend the target with skill, calm and strategy, not by running away until fifty ninja appear in a complete force of Deus Ex Machina.
Yeah, this movie had fifty ninja save the day and I didn't like it. What would have saved it would be awesome ninja stunts that displayed clearly Garner's, ah, "acting ability."
Virtua Cop 3, which I played today, is cooler and more exciting. Which leaves the best bit of Elektra being the lesbian kiss, and the other woman isn't even pretty.
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Virtua Cop 3 is an awsome game. I like all the things they added to try and take the genra somewhere else.
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I had to add something to the comic to movie list...
Howard the Duck (waauuuugh!)
And Garner can act when she wants to, see just about anything else she did...ok, maybe not Dude Where's My Car.
It's too bad she was injured, I was looking forward to seeing her comedic side on SNL last week.
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ugh. You're right. But you can understand WHY I forgot it, right? Yeah, that goes on the Bad section for certain.
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What about "13 Going on 30?" She was pretty good in that. Not that I watched it... I was reading, and my sister had the movie on... She was the one watching it, not I!
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Yes she was good in that...and I did watch it. Probably my 2nd favorite one of those movies, right after Big.