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Local Authors => Writing Group => Topic started by: EUOL on October 02, 2004, 12:26:01 AM
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One month warning!
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And I'm ready, so long as my exams and Moving house doesn't interrupt too much.
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humm, hey SE are you going to manage this again? I can make a chart system or something for easy manigment of peoples progress.
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yeah, i'd like to track it again. If you have one where I can just plug in a number, that'd be great
in face, if we could make it open, so everyone can post their own count, that'd be perfect
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Wow, I was just telling a co-worker about this a few days ago. Here's to hoping my progress of life will track down those fiends and allow me to work.
So, are we going to discuss topics here, or what?
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I may participate for the moral support, but my number of pages/words by that time will be focused on a 30-page seminar paper, I think. I'll cheer y'all on, though.
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I'm thinking of having a go. Unfortunately, thats the month of uni exams, so I may be a bit distracted.... ah well, late nights and coffee will fix everything.
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Well, I'm now officially registered, I have my idea entirely planned, all I need to do now is my two/three assignments, my exams in the start of November, move house during the same month, and write.
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I'm looking forward to NaNoWriMo this year. I'm not entirely pleased with last year's book (very few people ever finished it, which I take as a bad sign), but I learned a lot about writing and character, and I'd love to give it another go. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I need something like NaNoWriMo to make me write, but it's pretty true; other wise I just sit around designing novels without actually writing text.
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Stupid Boards!
I have to take part 2 of Boards in December. November is my study time. No time for writing.
Dangit!
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I read teh whole thing, Fell. I liked it, though it needed work. But hey, it was a first draft, of course it needed work.
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I think, Fell, that your book this year should just be a collection of ballets written by the character from last years novel, you could have lots of fun with that one.
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Well, I'm reading Card's "How to Write Sci-fi and Fantansy this month. I've actually learned quite a lot. I think last night I was actually sitting with him as he talked to me (which in actuality was just me sitting there reading the book, but it felt like he was right there). It is, however, a very good book. I like it a lot. (Thanks 42, although he may never see this.)
So there are 5 of us this year?
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EUOL
Fell
JP
Gemm
only 4 right now
possibly outcast or HoM (he can write awake 2: the awakeing)
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What about SE?
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He isn't real since I refuse to acknowledge his existance.
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but, I want to be a real boy!
Note that EUOL's won't count as an entry for NaNoWriMo because you have to start it during November, and he's already started his.
It's time to start outlining boys.
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I'm doing it also, but it won't be official because I'm either writing part 2 of the part 1 I wrote for NaNoWriMo last year, or finishing my current project.
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well, if you do part 2, you could always call it "book 2" and then it would count.
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I'll join in and give a word count, but it won't be on something new. I wish it was, but I've got deadlines.
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you foolish professionals.
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I'll do it, but I may have to bomb out halfway through; it depends on how my 'study' and exams go.
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*frets and tries to figure out a way to sneak in writing at work*
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I was all gun-ho about this in August, but now I'm not so sure I could keep up with my word count and my son. I am going to give it a go though.
Gemm, I recently read Card's How to Write Science Fiction and Fantasy. I liked his Characters and Viewpoint better. Mostly, I'm just bitter that in C & V he labels (accurately to my mind) Lord of the Rings a mileu story, and then in HWSF&F he labels the triology a character story. Blech.
I also read Anne Lamot's Bird by Bird and Bradbury's Zen and the Art of Writing. I recommend all of them, but Bradbury is infuriating.
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I have Bird by Bird and have only ever gotten halfway through it. She's got a great point as far as writing really bad first drafts goes, but then I got bored later. Or distracted. Maybe I should read it again. Someday.
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Will somebody please either explain this a little more thoroughly to me or link me to a place where it is explained a little more in depth. Specifically I am wondering
a)When does the group meet / how often do you share your work?
b)How does the group communicate for meetings?
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http://www.nanowrimo.org/
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Whats a mileu story?
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we dont' really talk about it till after we've written. and then only if we want to continue with it or rework it. November is bad for writer's group, since we need the time to get our word count up.
Basically you write a lot, try to get 50k words written on a NEW project during November. Group participation involves shouting encouraging words at each other and comparing word counts.
Incidentally, you have to get 1666.6 repeating words written each day to make the goal. If you try not to write on Sundays, like I do, then you need to get 1923.something words done. I shoot for 2000-2500 a day in case I miss some days.
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Give me an example of that .6 repeating word.
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enou
the next day you can add the "gh" and end with only one-third of a word. The third day you can end with a whole word.
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A milieu story is the world; the planet, the society, the weather, the family. Like Gulliver's Travels.
I got that from Card's "How to Write Sci-Fi and Fantasy."
So there you go Entropy. It's all a part of the MICE Quotient.
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I have Bird by Bird and have only ever gotten halfway through it. She's got a great point as far as writing really bad first drafts goes, but then I got bored later. Or distracted. Maybe I should read it again. Someday.
I liked it. She had a good combination of advice and personal essay.
My favorite part was when she describes teaching her 3 year-old a peace chant.
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It's all a part of the MICE Quotient.
Which there's a thread about somewhere in here, from the spring or summer sometime.
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I'm so glad that I got this book though. Especially thankful for 42 for mentioning it to me. I think that everyone who writes sf and f should read this book. There's a part in it that I think would help SE to look over about his current novel.
To summarize, don't hang on it to long and just let go of it. Etc, etc, etc.
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Actually, I use that book as the text for my creative writing class.
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Yes, it's surprisingly fascinating. I am loving it a lot.
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I need some rules adjucation.
I've written a prologue for the book I want to do for November. technically, I've written a prologue and 2 chapters, but that draft was written a decade ago and will be scrapped. Starting from scrap. Except the prologue. I don't think a blind rewrite would change much at this point.
So, if I just start with chapter 1, and write, and do word count and submit as if I hadn't written a prologue, but then tack the prologue back on when Dec 1 comes around... am I cheating?
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I think it's fine as long as you don't count the Prologue in your word count.
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I agree. I would ahve to say no to any chapters, but I think a prologue is good.
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I think a prologue is a useless thing. Especially if you're introducing characters there. If it's the authors introduction fine. But hey, to each his own.
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The prologue actually concerns the character who preceded my protag in his role. It's a handy way to explain the curse/mission. It also does a bang-up job explaining why the world is the way it is.
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Ok ok ok. I'm sure there probably were none of you who knew about (I didn't either). But has anyone heard anything about this: "The Tony Danza excitement: Was it the Tony Danza participating? Only his agent knows for sure."
Wow, wouldn't that be something crazy.
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I think that would be more interesting/exciting if it were a celebrity that someone cared about. Y'know, someone BESIDES his mom.
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One week warning!
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And me with my "Characters & Viewpoints" and "How to Write Tales of Horror, Fantasy, & Science Fiction" books to read.
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doing the world building project they have in the SF, F, and H forum on Nano> Some of it is tedious. I may or may not complete all the exercises.
I really need to do some plotting htis week.
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I'm seriously considering joining in with you all for this, not writeing a novel but makeing a video game.
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I am having doubts about this...doing NNWM would effectively entail dumping my current project (which is going fairly well) for a month and taking up the project I left off after last year's NNWM. I don't think I'd be able to keep up word count with my curent project because I don't ordinarily write that fast, being the planner type that I am. We'll see what happens...
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I'm thinking about joining this, just as soon as my new comuter gets here. Unfortunately, it doesn't come until next week, but I think I can catch up if I get some good writing done at work.
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You don't have to use a computer. There is always the PAPER!
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Sorry, I spent my childhood in western Washington. The land of Uber-environmentalists. Using paper kills trees, and killing trees is bad. And of course, computers don't cause any enviromental damage at all. ::)
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No, because they aren't using wiring that can, over time, destroy houses, and are wired throughout the country devastating the country-side as we continue to populate places with more and more wires that are then linked to power plants that polute the environment to heaven's nightmares.
But no, if you don't want to waste paper get my coveted 4-d paper. IE, One piece of paper that continues ever inward upon itself, never to use another piece again.
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I need plotting help. Anyone up for writer's group tonight?
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I work tonight. From 5-10. I doubt you want to plot with me at that time.
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I can be around about 8:30-9ish.
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I'll probably be on 9. My wife has once again been called to work with the Young Women, and it's Mutual Night.
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One week warning!
Ahhhhhh!! :o
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here's a page linking to a number of progress meters (http://www.writertopia.org/nanowrimo/)
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heh, those are pretty cool. No real reason for me to finish my thing, unless you want me to.
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Four Day Warning!
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article warning: http://www.timewastersguide.com/view.php?id=891
I busted out somethign both to let people know, and to give us somethign to run at all today.
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I'm in!
I meant to do it last year, but I didn't find out until too late.
I've even signed up! w00t!
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I really wish there had been time to outline. . . .
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How much time do you need? It's been 11 months.
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:P
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no, thanks, we're both married. To other people.
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heh, those are pretty cool. No real reason for me to finish my thing, unless you want me to.
Hmm. Does this mean we aren't going to have the TWG NANOWRIMO calendar like we did last year? An avatar isn't the same thing.
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no, thanks, we're both married. To other people.
Umm . . . I'm going to try not to figure out what you mean by that. Or, rather, how you misconstrued my meaning.
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I can do the same calander I did last year. I'm looking at that tracking stuff over the weekend and deciding how I want to do it.
Oh, and you forgot, DELIBERATELY misconstrued.
I was trying to make fun of the school kid response: "I don't French Kiss long distance!"
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Ah
/me feels better
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well, none of those meters are particularly simple to port to another page.
I think I shall just do the calander again. Unless sprig feels inspired this weekend to automate somethign like the calander again
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However much I may shun responsibility and deadlines, I am sick and something rude something else rude tired of not ever writing anything. I'm in.
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ok, I'm gonna do the calander. Here's how it works: I keep your total word count, your percentage of the 50k goal, and your percentage of meeting the word count that day based on 1667 words per day. I may add another one based on 2000 words per day, with sundays off, since that's how i write
I will also keep online, if you want, a copy of your work in progress, or the state that work was in on each day.
Here's what you have to do:
Each day send me (via email, I rarely, if ever, check my msg board PMs) your current word total. There are two ways to do the word total. The easiest way is just to use Word's "word count" feature (it's in the Tools menu). Other word processors have them too.
The second way is to just type in Courier New 12pt double spaced. Each page will have ~250 words on it. 250 x page count = word count. Do it however you want. I won't doulbe check you.
If you want me to post your WIP, send me a copy at the end of the day too.
i try to update the calendar daily, sometimes I miss a day or two, but then fill it in based on the dates i received email.
I'll clarify if you have any questions. I'll post a link to the calendar later today.
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well, i blanked out the calendar, but apparently sprig's making one that's more automated, so I'll post a link once we have that together.
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Just curious, how many pages of pre writing do you guys usually do?
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I have pages and bits of notes and scribbles on the backs of napkins all over my house and office. I only wish they were organized enough to have a page count.
It's 5:11pm by my clock, so there's just under seven hours left (less, for those of you further east). I think I'm going to try to get started at midnight. Anybody else doing the same?
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Sorry to double post, but I just noticed this little resource and thought it might come in handy for those who, like me, are trying to think of cool names: http://www.seventhsanctum.com/index-name.php
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Well, I've already started. 1413 words so far.
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But you can't...oh wait. You can.
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If I can, I plan on starting at midnight.
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Yes, lets go. Less than 2 hours for me. And darn you cross Atlantic seafarer's!
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You mean Cross Pacific. No Atlantic near here.
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Sorry for the double post.
I have maybe an hour more I could spend writing today, but I think I'm done.
Total Word Count Day 1: 4898
Total Chapters: 4
The other great thing is my plot just fell entirely into place. I had bits and pieces, but the central thrust to pull it all together just sort of happened.
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Just and update, I'm almost done with the tracker. I was going to have it finished by today but I actualy ended up being busy this weekend.
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Ready! Set! Go!
No work done here yet, since I need to get up early for work ect ect *yuck*. On the upside, I may be able to get some writing done at work.
The World of Warcraft beta should be starting up again soon, but I'm gonna give it my best to get both of them done.
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Way to go Jam!
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Here I am, 10 hours into the month,a nd I haven't even decided which one I'm doing. Man....
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Don't worry SE, I've only got 42 words so far. And I wrote something last night. Woke up this morning, deleted it and wrote something else.
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I'm actually writing on a setting I conceived for a Hero campaign I never ended up running, but that I was thinking about for a while. I don't have any significant prewriting done, but at least I know the general thrust of where I wanted things to go. My literal word count is up to 753 so far. The template I use for manuscript format is at home, so I won't have accurate word counts for a little while.
Come to think of it, that's something we might want to mention...about what a word count really is.
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I have my notes taped to my dresser. And the map I made is taped onto my wall, behind the monitors. I've been putting markers on it when I figure out the name of a town on it. Right now there are 9 pieces of paper, of various sizes on it. Hopefully by mid-november it'll be full.
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NaNo will take either method as a good way of doing it. I just use the word count feature on Word. For my style of writing, the manuscript format actually comes out as more text. IE, if I do 200 pages of manuscript format, the word count feature will put that as around 55-60 words
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I guess using either method makes sense. Prevents having to teach people what manuscript pages are and such, anyway. Over 1k words now. This first scene is taking far too long...probably I'm just having lots of fun writing again.
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I'm excited to read some more Prometheus writing. He's very good, provided that NaNoWriMo actually forces him to write twenty different chapters instead of writing the same chapter twenty different times.
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I'll let you know when I hit a second chapter Fell. Keep in mind that I *won't* have written it twenty times, though, so maybe not quite as good as my chapters you have read.
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I got distracted by less important things. Like school. And sleep. I have tomorrow off though, so I should be able to get going pretty strong with a late night tonight, and a few hours tomorrow.
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He could write the same chapter 20 times and claim it was the version of events as told by 20 different characters.
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I'm almost done with the first chapter. We'll see how it goes tomorrow. (I actually know what I want to do in chapter 2!)
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Congrats, Pro! Welcome back to the writing life.
As for word counts, I'm going to use MS Word too. Manuscript is just too vague for me.
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Thanks. The file is back at work, but I think I finished today at over 1850 words, with a conclusion to the chapter and some suggestions I left for myself to fix things I don't like later. Now I just need to get someone to password the file so I can't go back to it.
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Send it to one of us, then delete your copy.
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Hmmm, this is no good. Only 529 words today. And I scratched what I had when I first started this at midnight. I just can't seem to get this off the ground.
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Today started out well, now I just have to keep reminding myself not to become discouraged if all of my days don't go as well.
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Well, finished with 820 words. Not too bad, but not too great. Let's keep working.
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Well, I'm going to bow out the day with around 2,800. Time to hit the gym, then do some homework.
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See, I did homework first, which I think was my downfall. 1319 today.
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End of day 2. Total Word Count: 9888.
:)
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Sprig's having trouble witht he tracker, so I'll do manual updates on the calendar until it's ready. I fyou haven't already, post your day 1 word count here or email it to me, I'll get it updated today.
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Well, I'm going to bow out the day with around 2,800. Time to hit the gym, then do some homework.
Was this written at 10pm? Is your gym open that late?
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Gold's Gym is 24 hours, perfect for the Undead.
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Excluding notes to myself for future revisions, my 1-day is 1837.
Grr. Word has once again proven itself to be an essence of evil by bulleteining my notes to myself without my say-so.
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I can honestly say that word has never ever bulleted line items for me without me telling it to. How does that work?
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1457.
I thought I'd play along (torture that it is, NNWM is just so fun!) Technically, I'm not gunning for 50K 'cause I just don't have time. My real goal is to get mostly through chapter eight. I'm halfway through four as of yesterday.
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ok, i have day 1 counts up. I'm not doing any more day 1 counts. Just put it in day 2 counts and make it look like you had an impressive, if late, start.
JP is doing fricking amazing, might I add, being almost 20% done on the second day. I'm impressed.
You can look at the numbers here (http://www.writers-group.org/NaNoWriMo/2004).
incidentally, Sprig, while I'm not attached to formatting or appearance, those are the types of numbers I want it to display.
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Thanks for leaving up last year's calendar--it was good to see what I accomplished last year.
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yeah, old calendar is at the same address, except a 2003 on the end instead of 2004. We have a LOT of participants this year. Keep it up folks.
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Grr. Elections Day is distracting me.
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Just convince yourself that Nader won and then when you come home from work you'll have a surprise!
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get away from the TV. Listen to CDs instead of radio. Go to a place you can be by yourself, and lock cnn and any other news site you were going to with a gobledy password. IE let's you do that pretty easy, you just put the site on a blocked list and password protect the parental controls. You can make a password you can't easily recreate by banging random keys into notepad, CUTTING (not copying) them and pasting them into the password field. There's a KB article at microsoft for removing the password protection in the registry, so when you really need to get there again it can be unlocked.
Really, the only time I even thought of checking the news was just now when you said something. There won't be news of any worth till after dinner when enough results are in to start making even semi-accurate predictions.
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Rember Promethiuos is at work right now SE, so there's some things he cannot do.
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And what I meant to say by being distracted was me going out to find a Voter's Instruction booklet on the web so I could inform my vote later day. Sorry for distracting the thread. Maybe this will help.
737 today, actually working on a second chapter and trying to ignore the fact that I don't like it much. (the Dragons in the forum will recognize that as a major step forward for me.)
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well, i've been able to do about 20 minutes so far. 452 words. That's 20 words a minute. that doesn't sound like very much. But it'll get me the daily goal in just over an hour. If I can go for 4 hours today, which I hope, I can catch up to JP by the weekend (assuming he keeps his current pace).
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Just in case you were curious, I couldnt write yesterday, but so far today I have 1285, and I am going to write some more later. Wow, it is a rush to get that much down, I very very rarely do that, and I really hope that I dont give up on this.
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1221 after one hour. Hopefully the afternoon will be as slow as yesterday and I can get at least that much more done before I leave work.
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If I can go for 4 hours today, which I hope, I can catch up to JP by the weekend (assuming he keeps his current pace).
Didn't you regret treating last year like a competition, Saint?
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I don't remember. Probably. But I'm so competitive and don't get that out as much with games as I'd like. So I'm holding myself to a standard where I'm the fastest like I was for most of November like I was last year.
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I didn't really expect a different answer to Kije's question, SE. ;D
I'll just be lucky if I don't stall out on my story, allowing me to get some kind of finish on and go back to get it readable later.
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Hey, um, can I still join in with this? I unquit writing yesterday...again. So, yeah.
I'm at 2,200, but hopefully I'll get some more done later today. This is a great way to neglect my schoolwork, and I'm always looking for those.
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Welcome aboard, Ms. Fish. The important word counts come at the end of the day/beginning of the next day for posting on the calendar-schedule-thing, but its fun to give more frequent updates too, and it looks like you're doing pretty well. Take a seat. 8)
Oh, by the way...I've seen some mentions of registering officially with the NaNoWriMo site. Is there any compelling reason to do so?
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Yeah, I was just figuring if I was going to get in on the group thing I should speak up soon. :)
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the only compelling reason to do so is to have them check it and list your name on their site as an official winner. At which point they give you a link to the graphic you can put on your web site.
As far as I'm concerned, you cn sign up on nov 30 (assuming you can do 50000 words in a day) and I'll post your word count on the calendar (though I believe Sprig's tracker allows you to post your own count so I don't have to do it). I think NaNoWriMo.org says you have to sign up there by Nov 26. It's all semantics, but it's fun to be "official"
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Well maybe I'll think about going official after the 20th. Just isn't a big deal currently, and there's a lot of words between then and now.
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I have beaten a day 1 goal. I'm now hoping just to catch up with the daily goal for today. go me!
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Being official. The only other fun with doing so is that you have access to more forums like this one for chatterboxing about NaNoWriMo when you prolly should actually be...well...writing. :P
~J
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I think I'm obviously doing enough of that, although it is half the fun, so I'm glad I'm doing it. Getting close for today. I'm guessing that I'll end up cutting most of what I've written today later, but that must...be...later. A real struggle for me.
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Ah, the joys of the internal editor. I really need to learn how to turn mine off.
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do it on Dec 1, Prom. On Dec 1 you can cut the entire thing and you'll have still accomplished the goal.
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No mass editing of your own stuff. That's one of the points of nanowrimo. Push forward, don't destroy what you have and keep starting over or you really and truly will never finish, and that breeds frustration. Sometimes the phrase "I'll fix that later" can be a lifesaver. Not to mention editing your own stuff, which is different from proofreading your own stufff, is really only effective if you write it, put it in a drawer for about six weeks to two months and then look at it. Self editing while in the writing process is self defeating. This is why professionals have editors to chop up their work for them later. ;)
~J
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Hmm. I think it depends on your process. Everybody's different.
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I got about 857 on my lunch break. I'll see what I can get after school tonight.
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2300 while at work. HOpefully I can double that at home. (and I'll cut down on the hourly updates).
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I made my mark for today on Chapter 2. Might get a little more in at home, especially if my World of Warcraft client download didn't make it. (Was the weirdest thing...BitTorrent was downloading slower than it was uploading this morning.)
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I registered for NaNoWriMo mostly because one of my friends who doesn't frequent TWG, is also doing NaNo this year and I wanted to be able to keep up with her.
It's actually pretty cool for me to have yet another spot to post my word count.
I've found for myself, that I have to be offline, with online time as my reward for finishing (as well as playing Prince of Persia) in order to meet my goal, otherwise it just doesn't happen.
A good breakfast is also important, and waiting to snack on candy until after I'm done writing. Candy makes me very jittery lately.
I'm really greatful for the chance to write in the mornings.
The thing I'm worried about right now is that I don't have much of this novel outlined and I'm afraid my momentum will die out. I know I ought to outline after I finish my daily goal, but. . . .
So, what do the rest of you find helps you?
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Music. If you find the right music for writing, it help immensely. I just rediscovered a fairly weird band called Mike and the Mechanics, and it worked out for me today.
I dont exactly know why, beyond my paranoia, but I have to be completely alone. Like either the only one awake, or the only one in the house. The latter is much more common for me.
When you start, dont stop. Unless you get stuck, dont stop, because it is like moving a boulder as opposed to keeping it moving. I find it a lot harder when I stop and go, stop and go.
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I just rediscovered a fairly weird band called Mike and the Mechanics, and it worked out for me today.
sorry, I'm just staggered by that. when I sayw the "re" part I was less staggered. but woah. You think they're weird? You know that the Mike is Mike Rutherford of Genesis? You know the band that was good when Peter Gabriel was running the show but then rolled over for Phil Collins to rape and leave stranded in a ditch?
on a more serious note, you really need to listen to some old Genesis. Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Trick of the Tale, Firth of Fifth, and Selling England by the Pound are good starts. Old Peter Gabriel too. Start with Shaking the Tree to get a feel for him. That's pretty much where Mike learned everything.
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Like I mentioned before, my dad is a huge music buff. In his changer you could find about 800 cds. I couldnt help but know who Genesis is. They are another pretty good band I would say, although I havent really listened to them too much for myself. When I said that they were weird, I meant more that it was weird for me to listen to.
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I'm in for moral support. Meaning, I'll be posting my count on my 30-page paper. 9,000 word goal. Perhaps I'll just post my total word count on papers for the month, because I have a paper a week in one class and two papers due this month in another. So I'll be writing a lot, just not one piece. At any rate, good job so far, guys!
I'm still working, so I don't have a final wordcount for the day, but so far it's in the neighborhood of 700 words. It's going to be much lower than you guys because this is nonfiction and I'm researching as I go. But, there you go.
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Ug. Must stop writing to go vote....
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You only have about a half hour left.
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Howdy folks!
I know, you must be asking "Who is this guy?"
Well, I'm new here. Which I think you've discovered.
Friend of EUOL in RL. I'm also an aspiring writer and have taken to following him around (metaphorically) worshipping (again, metaphorically) the ground his actually published feet trod on.
Someone else might know me....Close relation of EOUL, but I don't know what he calls himself on here. What's your MO Jordo? ;D
Anyway, just wanted to get into the nanowrimo bandwagon. Didn't post my numbers last night, but I got in 1556.
Today, after just over an hour and a half, I'm up to 2689. Not bad for a newb, if I do say so myself. (Hey, let me live in my own little world, for the time being at least!).
That's all.
Steve
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Voted,
But now (in about a half hour) I have to take off for a temple recommend interview. One of these years I'll get it renewed BEFORE it expires. (Sigh....)
Oh, and welcome, Steve! Jordo is known as Spriggan around here.
And welcome to you too, Jena. I think we've met before. Anyway, which editor at Tor did you send your book to?
(I'm somewhere around 1,000 for the day so far. But, I'm being naughty, I'll admit. I've spent most of my time revising what I wrote yesterday. I, however, am allowed to do that.)
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I'm up to 2800. been writing slow because playing catch up with old friends. If I can pick up the pace i had at lunch, I can at least meet day 2's goal before I go to bed
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Well, 898 is my final. Good enough for me. It's highly disorganized and will have to be revised, but at least I'm getting the ideas down, and in general categories. That's it for this tonight. I have a paper due Thursday, another due Monday, and then this 30 page draft is due a week from Thursday (along with another theme, I'm sure). Wait! I don't have class next Thursday! (Veterans Day) Just realized it's due in TWO weeks. Whew, that's good.
I know what you mean about catch up. I was away for all of a weekend, but I've had to talk to everyone today, and I feel so behind in class. But at least this is helping me catch up on that front.
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Well, I am really tired, I thought I was going to be able to stay up to work on this some more, but it doesnt look like it. 1893 is the total. Not bad for me, and I will eventually be able to catch up with where I am supposed to be.
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I can't tear myself away from the election coverage. I'll have to keep my earlier total of 857 for the day. Man, I suck.
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Politically motivated people always do.
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chalk me up for 1,050 today.
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http://www.timewastersguide.com/boards/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1051196804;start=45
Go introduce yourself Phaedrus.
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EULO
Thanks for the welcome. I think we may have met at some point. I know your name seemed very familiar when I stumbled across your webpage. :)
I'd have to double check my letter from Tor to see who has it right now. The manuscript went in last year and there was a mix up with one letter saying it was rejected, one that it was never received and one that it was still being seriously considered. Sooo...in the long run no one can find it and they asked for it to just be sent in again, which is easy enough. So that's where things are atm.
Just crossed about 2500 words for nano...just to keep the thread in theme. :)
~Jena
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3336. Yes!
Now that it's after 1 am and I've hit the goal by three words, perhaps I should look at my homework for tomorrow... funny how that works.
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4154, and I need to sleep.
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Day 2 numbers are all posted (http://writers-group.org/NaNoWriMo/2004/). Anything you wrote yesterday but didn't tell me about goes on day 3.
incidentally, the way we did it last year, was people gave me their running total. That's why I asked Sprig to set up the tracker to accept monthly total, not the daily count. Plus that's much easier for the numbers I look at.
So if everyone could just settle on a method, so I don't have to guess whether the number you say is that DAY'S number, or your grand total, that'd be great. I'd really prefer the grand total, and in most cases, since it's supposed to be a new work, that's easier to find anyway.
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The Day 2 numbers all went up at this time in the morning? I was going to send my count over as soon as I got into work, where my files are... Didn't think I'd be missing it at this hour.
Edit: At work now. My Day 2 was 3775, but I guess I'm late for the Day 2 posting. Please just make a good solid policy about when the posting deadline is so we can plan for it.
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I do it when I have time to do it. The best policy is to send it off as soon as you have your final count for the day.
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Well I got 4036 word written yesterday. Got chapter one written and started on chapter 2.
Sorry, I'm starting a day late because I waited for my new laptop to arrive. I think NaNoWriMo is a great way to break in my new computer.
Going to get started for today now.
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So Fell convinced me to make some major changes to the book I'm currently working on. So it looks like I'll be following the official rules of NaNoWriMo after all -- starting from scratch.
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hasn't someone already bought this book?
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Not officially, but they've verbally accepted the series. No contracts have been signed (so, thankfully, no deadlines are set). The book that comes out in January is Book 1, and this is Book 2. (There will probably be only three, but I'm calling it a series, not a trilogy, just in case.)
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well, that's good. at least it doesnt' crush your life.
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HoM, is that because of the harddrive failure? Or was there another reason Fell thought you should start over?
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Well, deciding to go a different route kind of throws eight months of work away. It was just the fact that six months of that work was lost in a computer accident that clinched the deal.
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Sorry MOD -- didn't see your post...
The hard drive was the catalyst, but I'd been having doubts about it for a long time. Basically, he convinced me to switch it from two first-person characters back to one first-person. It had been slowing the story down, and forcing a lot of mechanical problems.
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are you doing 1 first- and 1 third-person now? I think that will irritate me.
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No -- I'm cutting one POV character. Instead of following two different interwoven stories in this book, there will only be one.
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I'm guessing that he'll be going with just one viewpoint from the sound of things---cutting out the other's viewpoint altogether. But I wouldn't really know.
It's strange that the farther I get into this project the more it feels just like miscellaneous worldbuilding rather than writing out the actual text. Maybe that's just what first draft feels like for a story. Or maybe it's my rewrite instincts howling to be unleashed on my poor unpolished story text.
Doh! posted too slowly.
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heh, that's nothing. Last night a minor character I came up with out of nowhere not only turned out to be the best friend of one of the protags, but he'll become best friends with the other. AND it turns out he's immortal or extremely long lived. Weird. Maybe he's colluding with someone.
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Hm. Where's my minor character discipline stick? *smack* *smack*
*smack*
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Well, I got 1251 during lunch. I'll try for more tonight.
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It's 4pm and I haven't even gotten home yet, let alone started on my paper for the day. I stopped by the Verizon store to see what they could do for me because my phone is about to break any day now, and they wanted me to pay full retail for a new phone (like $250) or $60 to replace it with the same model that's given me all the battery trouble and flip phone breakage for the last year. And the contract isn't in my name, and that adds to the complications (it's nice to have a patron when they *pay* for the phone, but when they stop paying for the phone, Verizon needs to stop automatically renewing the 2-year contract!).
So I'm going with the "I hope it doesn't break before July when the contract runs out" attitude. And have gotten no homework done this afternoon. Unless you count coming by the library to pick up my ILL articles, which my teacher doesn't even want me to read yet till I've gone through and made a preliminary argument first.
Sigh.
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Gee, Stacer? That easy?
Joking aside, good luck on your cellphone and homework. Working in industry is a real pain sometimes, but it doesn't follow you home quite as much as I seem to remember schoolwork. Most of the time.
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6452 on leaving work today and still moving forward. :)
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No count for today. It became a reading day--Robert Louis Stevenson and Christina Rossetti. Oh well. But tomorrow I'll be churning out at least 4 pages on RLS, and hopefully a few more on the main paper.
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1300 for today. Just sat down in the studen center and typed my hands to death.
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I got 1649 written today. Unfortunately, I kept getting interupted at work. Too much multi-tasking has gotten me flustered.
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Today's acheivements: 1763 words, and a nervous breakdown.
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I've had a nervous breakdown. Actually I've had several. Recommend blowing off all of your resposabilities for awhile. That doesn't really help, but it would make me feel better.
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6259 for day three. Just behind Prometheus, unfortunately, but I'm at a really good chapter break and I need some sleep. I'll pass you tomorrow....
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6383 for me so far.
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5 New MDs burned on my end.
Oh ya, and today's article.
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Day 3 stats are up. (http://www.writers-group.org/NaNoWriMo/2004)
Day 3 is easier to do. Because you're supposed to be exactly 10% done now. That means the daily percentage is 10 times that of the total percentage. Half as many calculations to do.
Everyone's doing great, though I'm a little behind. Keep it up folks!
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End of Day 4 - 12,934 words total.
I'm still on track, but not massively ahead, and I'm pretty sure from tomorrow until wednesday I'll be lucky to get ANY done. After that though, well, 5k a day again.
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SE, there's something strange going on with the day 3 stats. Ms. Fish is up in the calendar header (and I'm not there).
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See now if I hadn't spent last night writeing an article you wouldn't have to put up with this Stacer. How dare MsFish get the headline!
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msfish has been removed. I didn't put anyone else in the headline. It was a copy/paste thing. I love SiteAid because it colors my tag text on the display, but the one annoying thing about it is copy/pasting has weird results: you have to wait a moment after pasting for it to figure out what it's doing. Otherwise your paste will end up at the top of the doc, or if you're just a little slow, in the middle. I copy/paste similar code a lot and just change the details. In this case, MsFish's wordcount was selected to be the template for everyone in day 3. I forgot this weird behavior and just hit CTRL-V a ton of times. I thought I'd caught them, but I must have missed that.
Shut up! I don't have to explain myself to you! (realizing I'm just babbeling.
I only put people who post new word counts that day. It saves time for me.
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My word count is also showing up as 3336, which isn't right, although the percentages are, I think. I believe the word counts on the calendar are off for other people too. Very strange. Oh...looking at the calendar again, it seems that I got copy/pasted MsFish's numbers for Day 2.
I hit a battle scene before I left work yesterday, and that helped me churn out the rest of the material for that day and most of the next. You totally would have squashed me without that, Fell. 8)
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that's a manifestation of what I was saying before. That's MsFish's count from yesterday, which I copied to be the template for today. I fixed the numbers.
Everyone else's word count is accurate. HoM and 42 are still posting only the daily count despite my request for monthly total. Except I may be wrong about HoM, since he restarted. In which case I'll have to refigure his percentages as well. HoM, can you straighten me out on this?
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Thanks for the fix. By the way, I figured out what happened with that automatic bulleted list I mentioned earlier. Apparently with my Word, if I start making a list and begin each line with an '*' it starts thinking that I want it to change the asterisks into this perverse bullet-list-item construct-thing. It does the same sort of thing with a few other items, like '...' and '------' and such. Highly annoying.
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It does it with a lot of items, actually. You'll want to review your "autocorrect" features. If I'd known you were starting them with *, I coulda told you that. That's where you keep it from using smart quotes too.
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I pretty much turn off all autocorrect features except ordinals and dashes. I hate when it automatically corrects my spelling, because I actually know what I'm talking about much more often than it does.
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The dashes annoy me more than many other things. dash, Smart quotes, and ellipses. Those are the worst. oh. and the capitalism. I had a short bit I was writing about a group called The Order of Light (TOoL) and it just DID NOT want to let me leave that "o" lower-case.
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It's okay, Prom, EUOL beat me too. And Jam, of course, but who cares?
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I don't. :D
Realistically...well, you know my record, Fell. If I keep making the daily goals with actual new material, I'll be doing fantastic.
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Hmm, looks like I caused all sorts of problems and didn't even know it.
Dang it! If I'm going to be the problem child I should at least get to enjoy it.
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Yesterday, didn't go well for me, only 567 words (I can give the daily total because it's too late for it to be posted anyway), due to too many errands. Today seems to be better. I got to a party scene which seems to be as good for me as a battle scene is for Prom.
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I'm sorry, that made me think of teenagers in tuxes and gowns swinging claymores. It was the whole parties and prom mixing with battle scene
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That's a cool image.
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yeah, I wish it had happened at my prom
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I have D&D tonight, and I'm the DM. So, we'll see what happens. I need to prepare, though.
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8172 for today
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JUST today? Or total so far? Please tell me total so far. As supportive as I want to be, that will inspire feelings of incompetence in my already tender ego.
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This will help your tender ego: I've been throwing up all day long, and can hardly sit up for more than five minutes. I haven't even thought about my book.
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You people are a bunch of pansies (except Mustard, becasue being sick sucks), todays review is 1200 words and that took me like 45 mintues.
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/me orders Sprig to "shut it"
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It's easy to write 1200 words on one thing. It's a little more difficult to write 50,000 about one thing.
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Well, it also helps that he has the book to refer to things also. And we instead have to pick and choose, rip and pluck, and tenderize all from the inside dwellings of our mind.
So next time you do that review of yours Sprig, do it from the top of your head without using anything from the thing your reviewing. Then try and get 1200 words. =P
You plan what you're going to do while DMing EUOL? But yes, tomorrow night should be good. I get to impress Pat with my creativity with creating the goofiest of characters possible. Plus the awesome voice talent I provide to them.
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Ick. I'm only at 4039. That means I've written like 700 words in the last two days. Everytime I try to write, someone has a crisis (like literally). Alas, people are more important than my word count, so it's taking a beating.
Hopefully tomorrow will go better.
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I'm only at 7214 at the moment. Hopefully I can get a little writing energy boost sometime today.
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well, everyone was pokey with getting their numbers in, so I'm doing it right now. I"ll take that number Prom gave as his to-date total.
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ok, day 4 stats (http://www.writers-group.org/NaNoWriMo/2004) are up.
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and I'm not on it why?
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because I forgot that your evenings are in my morning, so that you had posted your day 4 stats before I'd posted the calendar for day 3
I'll fix it.
edit:
There. I fixed it. Happy?
You know the above was just an excuse. I really left you off because I hate you.
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You got my count right, Saint Ehlers. I was going by your standard, but looking back at the post, I phrased it poorly. I threw that up right before I ran out of work, so I guess I didn't consider exactly what I was putting down too closely. I have 8172 total.
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Excuse me for the double post, but I need to beat my self-editor down some more.
*BAM!*
Thank you. Let's proceed from there.
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let's hear it for minesweeper and chatting! I came up with a brilliant idea while doing just that. MoD kept me just on target enough to have my new character (y'know, the one that became immortal on me) on the periphery of my mind, but minesweeper freed me enough to wander with it. Brilliant new idea. He fits in even better now, and it adds a new layer of complexity. go me!
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I love it when that happens in writing or whatever else. Over 500 words so far today, although I wasn't certain where I was going to go with things when I came to work today...I need to do some more plotting work on this soon and figure out exactly how what I've done so far will fit into the rest of the story concept.
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Current count: 5143.
Chapter 4 complete.
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I think the day 4 counts are already up, Kije. Good job though.
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They can put it on day 5. It's not like I'm going to write anything tonight.
**Kije returns to his meditative preemptive soothing exercises, preparing for a weekend of babysitting nieces and nephews.
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Oh...babysitting would definitely make it harder to get things written. Hope you can find some time for writing or at least planning your story in the middle of all that. How do you like the way your story is going so far?
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Well, I keep thinking each latest chapter is my worst. But I guess it's turning out okay.
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That's exactly what I was beating my internal self-editor over the head for earlier today. See also EUOLogy #10.
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My Day 5 Word Total is 10,000. That wasn't planned, either. Weird. ;)
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I was out until late yesterday, and I'm grappling the onset of carpal tunnel, and I didn't really know what to do with chapter 3, and I just dropped it and got really bummed. I still don't know what to do, but I'm in much better spirits and I'm going to keep going. The "I suck" haikus on the NaNo forums are a big help.
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in chapter 3, blow something up.
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I'm stalling a little too in chapter 3. I just keep telling myself to keep writing. At 8303 right now.
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My total as of today: 1412. Yes, that is all-time total. I haven't felt very well this week, so I've been concentrating on reading and getting the articles I need. Mainly administrative stuff. That, and I don't know what else. Really, I have no idea how it got to be Friday without my permission.
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Total so far, 8014. I need something cool to happen, because this chapter is pretty dang dull. An explosion isn't a bad idea.
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5814 as of today--which puts me less behind today than I was yesterday, so that's progress. If I had done any research at all or if I would quit going back and rewriting things, that would help.
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ok, day 5 stats are up (http://www.writers-group.org/NaNoWriMo/2004). I've made it to third place from a very slow start. Watch out folks!
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Ok, way behind with 4642, but I just got through a slow part, and am planning on another thousand today.
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Sorry, I've been flaky about posting numbers lately. I've had to work on ELANTRIS a little bit, so I haven't been steady with my new writing. I'm around 8k somewhere--I'll catch up next week.
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should i list you as 8000 at the end of day 6 then, EUOL?
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Well I am sitting a little bit more comfortably on 6051 words. Sadly enough, this is almost as much as I have ever written on a story. I have been writing for years, and on the story that I got the farthest on, I got a few more words than on this one. I am pretty proud of the way this story is coming along.
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I wrote about 10 words today. And why? Because I was researching.
I think maybe I'm missing the point of this whole thing. ;D
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What were you researching for?
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No, it's more of a weeding program. To test and see those who can write for days and days and days, and words and words and words, to those who can start words and words for some time until they faulter off.
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I wrote about 80 words yesterday. Trying to figure out a couple problems. Think I have them down, so I should be able to move ahead now.
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oh, and day 6 is posted (http://www.writers-group.org/NaNoWriMo/2004)
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How did Prom's count go down? I know he didn't work on anything yesterday, but he didn't delete anything either.
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"That's a typo. ... That is also a typo."
I just forgot to change the name. that's all. fixed.
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My word count as of Sunday night is 12,162. Yay for catching up and getting back on track.
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Day Seven: 7990. Doing slightly better.
Archon: I was doing some research on nautical terms. My characters spend a good portion of the book on a ship, and I realized that although I know alot about ships, I don't know quite enough. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find the information I need online, and the people at Barnes and Noble couldn't think of a book with the information I need. I think I've found an out-of-print Eyewitness Book online that should help. I'm all about children's reference books, because they don't take quite so much brain power to understand. Hooray for the juvenile section.
But anyway. So yeah.
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MsFish, ask Mad Dr Jeffe. Seriously. He's in the Coast Guard and has spent a huge chunk of that time on a ship. He can definitely help. Looks like your pace is picking up! good job!
Day 7 numbers up. (http://www.writers-group.org/NaNoWriMo/2004)
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Is Jeffe looking at this thread? If you are, I have some questions for you.
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You might want to make a "Hey Jeffe" thread in "everything else" or something like that. Or refer to his AIM name in his profile.
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12,130 words for end of today. I was bad over the weekend, but I'm catching up.
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Archon: I was doing some research on nautical terms. My characters spend a good portion of the book on a ship, and I realized that although I know alot about ships, I don't know quite enough. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find the information I need online, and the people at Barnes and Noble couldn't think of a book with the information I need. I think I've found an out-of-print Eyewitness Book online that should help. I'm all about children's reference books, because they don't take quite so much brain power to understand. Hooray for the juvenile section.
What do you want to know? I lived on a ship for 3 years.
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12,313 for me so far.
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It's 11:30 and I finally get to go home from work. I doubt I'll get anything written tonight, but at least we have a clear example of why I'm getting a new job.
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10,140. Yay!
So I'm still behind. But I wrote 2000 words in an hour today. That makes me HAPPY!!
Dr. Jeffe--
Here's a question for you. I have many, but this is the immediate one. What do you do if you're ship's caught in a storm? I'm pretty sure you drop sail, and someone told me you're supposed to sail into the waves so they don't knock you over, but other than that, I know nothing.
So much for writing what you know. I think I've gotten myself in way over my head on this one, but I have 40,000 more words over my head to go.
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1. If any terms dont make sense, just ask and I'll try to explain them.
On a sailing ship a good master will take down as much sail as they can while still being able to maintain control. Its just a matter of practicality because high variable winds will rip sails to shreds. You try to point the bow of the ship into the sea state in really rough seas but that isnt always possible. In bad seas the other option is riding in the trough which can be horrible. A ship responds to two axis Pitch which is up and down motion (from stem to stern) and Roll which is side to side motion. The ideal way to point the vessel is to angle it at a wave getting a decent amount of pitch and roll. Rather than go perpindicular or parallel to the wave. Obviously parallel is a bad choice if the seas are really rough, if the decks are awash for instance, but it is easier to keep on course with beam seas. Its a gamble really, survivability vs destination.
Remember that before the storm theres a huge amount of activity from the crew. Battenning down everything that could possibly move paint, stores, the smallest thing can become a hazard when your pitching or rolling 40+ degrees. Any open hatch or door needs to be tightly closed to prevent flooding, but this is more important on a metal ship.
Sometimes even bolting stuff to the deck isn't enough. One day in a noreaster a 500 pound safe welded to the floor in the radio room broke free and went sliding around crushing everything in its way. Bookshelves broke free and desks bolted down broke loose. I helped lead a party to retie down a rescue bin that broke loose on top of our bridge. It nearly killed all of us and knocked a flare launcher overboard. Dont underestimate "gear adrift"
Fires and lanterns need to be put out, storm lines put on deck so that crewmembers can safely move back and forth with something to hold onto.
Also Remember since its a rolling motion the range of the roll or pitch is double( ie a 40 degree roll is actually 80 degrees), and very surreal (imagine you walls becoming your floor).
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Ug. Fell asleep with the laptop on my lap. It is 4am and all the lights are still on. ::)
My grand total so far: 1600.
It'll pick up tomorrow, I think, when I get back to work on my big draft.
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End of day nine. 15, 123, unless I decide to write more later, which is unlikely. I plan to write RPG scenarios instead. :)
What, I couldn't let anyone get ahead of me. (And if somone tries to spite me by getting ahead of me while I'm not looking, don't worry, I'll catch up the day following. Except maybe tomorrow, when I'm busy.)
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Okay, I have to do actual work at work now so I'm leaving my NaNoWriMO at 12,269 words. I 've still got some catching up to do today. Didn't expect the weekend to be so distracting.
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Day 8 up (http://www.writers-group.org/NaNoWriMo/2004)
Thinking of actually writing today.
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1. You try to point the bow of the ship into the sea state in really rough seas but that isnt always possible. In bad seas the other option is riding in the trough which can be horrible. Rather than go perpindicular or parallel to the wave. Obviously parallel is a bad choice if the seas are really rough, if the decks are awash for instance, but it is easier to keep on course with beam seas. Its a gamble really, survivability vs destination.
Thanks for your help! I understood most of it, but there are a couple things I'm still not clear on.
what's a sea state? Beam seas?
Basically what I'm understanding from this is that you'd want to aim the boat toward the waves at an angle. but if you're really trying to stay on course you'd go parallel, but that's a bigger risk. Do I have that right?
Also, if you're dropping sail, which ones would you leave up? I guess that might depend on the type of ship...but I'm not sure which sails are the most important for staying in control.
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Sea state is just that, its a way of analyzing where waves are coming from.
It applies to the second phrase "beam seas"
On a ship because its a self contained floating island you have to describe how the outside world or seas are interacting with the ship.
Beam seas mean waves that hit you from the side or beam of the vessel, while following seas hit you from the stern of the vessel. Bow seas or head seas obviously are coming at you from the front.
as for sails I'll have to check some of my books, our ship was metal with big diesel engines, and I didnt do too much sail work. Off the top of my head I think you might leave the Jib alone and pull down all the other sheets. A captain with lots of stores or spares might just leave everything he could up to maintain headway.
As for maintaining course well that all depends I guess, remember you have no control over where the storm is coming or how the sea state happens. You have more control of the helm in beam seas because your rudder stays in the water longer. The reason you go at a bit of an angle is to get the best of stability and ride while being able to maintain course...
Its not always that great at either...
Nor'easters are particularly bad, because they're cold...
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My total written mark is 14098.
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So the reason you take the sails down in just to preserve the sails, not because it's dangerous to have them up in a storm? I was kinda assuming that if the wind was too strong and you have too much sail up, that would be a bad thing, but maybe not.
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my current total word count is "I suck"
but at least I'm not being medicated for it
Instead of not sucking, I may go play Starcraft
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There is a very good reason why I should not try adding at 4:30 in the morning. I'm actually at 2499 at this point. ::) That's not my final for today, but it's better than 1600.
Haven't heard from MoD in over a week. Anyone know how she's doing?
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Okay, no more for tonight. 3340 is my running total, then.
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Oh yeah that too, sail area can be deadly... your gonna have to take down the topgallants and keep up only the sails that are close to the deck. Think of a sail as a huge truck trailor going down the road, or a wing. The winds going to hit it and its going to want to go somewhere usually in an opposite direction. In a horrible storm you'd just cut off the masts and bob it out. But thats a last resort. Usually ships had spare masts on board.
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13,878 for me.
And off to the gym I go.
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I'm at 13,380. Now I need to sleep on where this story is headed. And plan an art activity for the Mental Health Center. I'm so productive in my sleep.
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I'm at 12,050.
I think I'm going to move my sailing questions to the coastguard thread up under general. It'll probably fit better there and annoy fewer people. ;D
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See how much I love you? Day 9 numbers are up! (http://www.writers-group.org/NaNoWriMo/2004)
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I've broken 5%! :D Six, even.
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What? I'm still in the lead after four days of minimal writing? What is wrong with you people? Give me a challange.
My goal for tomorrow is to reach 20,000. I expect someone to take over my lead should I fail. If none of you can, well, I'm dissappointed in you. If *I* can do it, well, what excuse do all of you have?
The above statement makes more sense if read in the proper context: Right now, I am depressed and see no value in my life. But I'm still capable of writing, even if the novel is trash.
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Tuesday was yet another ay of lost writing. I'm starting to think that trying to redo my house, sell it, and move, all while dealing with an enormous rush at work, is a bad environment for writing. I don't know how I can make up those two lost days, but doggone it I've got to try.
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he lost so much writing that he lost one-third of hte letters in "day"
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Don't you hate it when you try to mock someone's spelling and then you spell "the" wrong?
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15,791 is today's final count
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Don't you hate it when you try to mock someone's spelling and then you spell "the" wrong?
Yeah, I do. but I saw it right after I did it, and decided to leave it for your amusement.
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I am so obnoxiously busy for the next week and a half that I am going to accomplish virtually nothing. All of my teachers have decided to give me projects, papers, or both, so I am a little crammed. When I get out of this I am going to have to write about twice as fast to get back in. Crap.
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3570. Not a whole lot of progress on that today. I spent the afternoon waiting for a new desk to be delivered. Finally called and they said, "Oh, we don't have any deliveries scheduled for your area till tomorrow!" ??? But I did some reading etc. Not wasted, just not completely what I wanted to accomplish.