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General => Suggestions Box => Topic started by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on December 20, 2004, 02:40:55 PM
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Fell, check my editor's note (http://www.timewastersguide.com/view.php?id=930)
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Ah yes. Well that explains it. I know of at least twelve other people who didn't read that review either.
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Uh...I get 40,000+ hits for Mugwump. What about you guys?
http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-mug1.htm
(Edit--I suppose if you put quotes around it, you only get about four hits. One of which is, of course, us.)
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Yeah, I did the quotes search, and the only hits other than us ignore punctuation (one has the first I at the end of the preceding sentence, and the other two have the first I as failed html tags).
And mugwump is bound to turn up a lot, because (among other things) it's the original name of the Mamas and the Papas.
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When I first read your article, I thought you were assuming that you'd made up a fake word. It was only after re-reading did I realize you'd only made up a fake phrase.
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Ah yes. Well that explains it. I know of at least twelve other people who didn't read that review either.
except that you must have read that review, Fell, since, you know, you judged it the best comic review submitted for a contest.
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A conspericy is a foot!
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Kill the pig. Bash his head. Spill his blood.
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I have an idea for a poll. Of course it MAY require a picture, or not. If anyone's ever eaten Animal Crackers then you know that most of those animals are horribly rendered and are usually unrecognizable. So, why not, if you can, get a picture of an animal cracker and ask what animal is this. Or just say "What Animal Cracker shape am I thinking of?" Just an idea.
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/me sets Gemm on fire
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now I can roast.
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Was the talking horse option in honor of me? Because that would have been more useful than the 15 non-talking horses I did get.
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This week's poll sponsored by the Patriot Act.
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Love the variety.
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I saw the answer first, and half-expected the question to be "Do you love the Computer?"
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yeah I though the same thing,... does not voting constitute treason,... or am not I cleared to know that?
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I originally wrote it as "Do you love The Establishment?" but I think government works better.
And Jeffe, I wouldn't question things if I were you...
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Its a free country, or at least it was 4 years ago.
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Yes, but its never been a free forum.
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never had to pay for it yet
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We try to keep the payments subtle.
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My ninja monkeys have had your credit cards for some time. Where do you think I got the money for the five new GI Joe ninjas I bought today?
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So, in the recap of last week's poll, I was wondering:
The poll was asking us what crappy gift we got, not which gift we wanted -- the analysis is therefore flawed, since Fell assumed the Necronomicon was the most wanted gift -- when, in truth, the invisible jet and robot tentacles were the LEAST boring and thoughtless.
Personally, I voted for the talking horse, which, though cool, is the most boring and thoughtless gift there.
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more boring than a hydrospanner? That sounds like a fancy squirt gun.
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Is there anything that Fell does that isn't inherently flawed?
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My ninja monkeys have had your credit cards for some time. Where do you think I got the money for the five new GI Joe ninjas I bought today?
/me looks at the above statement and laughs........... Like I have any money....
Certainly not from me, I bet they used Mr. P's cards.
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I don't even have a credit card. So har!
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So I'm wondering how many people voted "yes" because they really love the government, and how many just wanted to see how many other people voted for it. Or how many people couldn't stand not voting on a poll, even if there was only one option.
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Psst... Kije: shut up!
We ALL love the government! Right guys?
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Poll's up.
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TFC for life!
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Tage sucks. I'm in the EUOL fan club.
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Yeah well I voted for being in the Tage fan club, so there. And I'm even going to buy your book, you ingrate.
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I may not be in your fan club, but you're the only Timewaster who gets acknowledged by name. So be grateful.
EDIT: Oops, Fell does too, but he's family, so he doesn't count.
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I just started the book, and I admittedly laughed out loud when I saw my name. That was very kind of you.
Also, I don't think "Bitter Perfume" is actually from a Christmas song.
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Your wrong, though. It is.
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Ben's name is in the book? I don't remember that.
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In the acknowledgements.
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I voted Majel Barrett, and am quite disappointed in all the PC votes...
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It bothers me when people vote for real things. I have no choice but to assume these people are dumb.
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You know in the last poll results article where I talked about different types of answers? The first three answers in this poll were firmly in the "obligatory answers that I don't think anyone is going to vote for" category. My assumption in this regard is the same as Mustard's.
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I'm sad that only I and one other person voted for "beige," which I thought was rather clever.
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Mine isn't beige, though. It's black. And hamster-driven.
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Well, you can never go wrong with beige.
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yeah, when you can have a hamster driven computer (http://filelist.geerbox.com/brandon/mousewax.com/strips/20010727.gif) you'd go with anything else.
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Hey -- that was me. Tage, you are my bosom friend.
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Tage needs more bosom friends. Or more friends with bosoms.
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if tage would just eat a lot and fatten up he'd have bosoms.
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I don't even know Tage, and....
Archon shudders violently, falls to the floor, where he continues to shake terribly
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/me makes note of how easy it is to put Archon into a siezure.
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Just remember that if you use that information, you better make sure I don't ever get up. (evil laughter ensues)
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oh, i don't think that'll be a problem
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so that would be your partner there in the wood chipper.
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Maybe, maybe not, I guess it just depends on how long it takes me to recover from my seizure. ;)
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oh, it doesn't take long at all.
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not if you go in head first
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I'm totally in the Babbage Bandwagon Engined PC. I believe I'm 3 of those 4.
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No doubt, as I was the first one.
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A toss up between "Mmm, cookies" and "All of your cookies are belong to me"
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I think so many chose PC because it's a subject that they care something about (like the definition of terrorism or other wacky things,) and are swayed by their serious side to ignore the jokes. Kind of like me and Ginger Rogers, circa 1936.
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No... I'm pretty sure it's because they're stupid.
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Forget the Tage fan club--I think Kije and I should start the Ginger Rogers fan club.
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I don't think you should be associating with Kije and his progressive, communist ways.
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Oh, come on - everybody needs a little progressive communism in their life!
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Go Promunism!
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I'll be the bouncer/enforcer (see Fuzzy's sig)
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Yes, see my sig
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There are no Ninja Monkeys allowed in the Ginger Rogers fan club. Insane Ninja Monkey Overlords we can handle, just leave your minions at the door.
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the ninja monkeys will not be pleased, especially the hot buttery monkeys....
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they're not members. They're just the contractors I use for enforcement purposes.
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Or snacks. They can be snacks.
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Ginger assures me they make better fur coats than snacks.s
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Well we wouldn't want to waste any of that protein now, would we?
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shouldn't you be working on a map?
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Come back to Utah and fix my work computer so that it recognizes jpeg files. Then I'll have your map right away. Until then, monkey sandwich.
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FFR. You don't need me to come out there for it. A really big magnet will get you started.
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so, I want to vote for number 1. But number 2 is really tempting just to stick it to Kije.
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Just call me the Metric Swindler. I take a little off the top when I make the conversion.
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Does that mean you round down?
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I almost voted for the "I am white, privileged, and enjoy immense civic freedom" one, but the blue man group must be punished!!
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Fell had to explain that joke to me. Sheesh, I thought I knew Simpsons at least reasonably well.
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/me points to her quote
Thanks Fell. That's great!!
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It's a Simpsons reference? Aww, and I thought Fell was being clever!
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I knew that the list would be incomplete without some form of vengeance, so I wrote something like "my father's killers go unpunished." But that really wasn't funny to me, so I started looking for some other target and remembered that when Homer is drunk, he always go off on the Blue Man Group. So there you have it.
This behind the scenes interview, and others, are available in the "Reasons to go on Living" Extended Edition Writer's Cut, coming soon to a Wal-Mart near you.
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I wanted to vote for tivo, and probably should have, but I kept pressing the button for being a white male between the ages of 18 and 35. They amount to the same thing in the long run.
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At 1:22 AM EST time, all options were at "5" votes excluding "Date With Halle Berry" at "7" votes....
Is there any way to check what time the votes were cast?
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Not that there's anything fishy going on. At all.
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yah, something's up with the poll, methinks
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Why do you think that? It's rare that we get this many votes on this many options, true, but that doesn't immediately suggest tampering.
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it's just that all of them were at 5. Right away.
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It certainly wasn't because... nothing more than a mere e-llusion.
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Not that I ever vote twice, since I can do it at both home and work...
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Just wondering, what game did Nintendo come out with that was so scary?
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resident evil 4. They didn't make it, but when me and Fell where your age Archon Nintendo use to have a very strick policy against violence, gore and other things on their systems.
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I know what you mean, I still play around with my NES and SNES. But even with things like Resident Evil, I would say that they are still much more conscientious about violence and such than the other two systems. If you look at the games out for Gamecube and you compare them to the games for XBOX or PS2, they are generally still more appropriate.
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Can I just say that my husband has been playing RE 4 non-stop since he bought it Saturday?
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you can ;)
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So he's reacting as any kid would with a new toy... interesting. :P
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I like a lot of choices today for the poll, but luscious just has such a nice round sultry sound to it.
I like voluptuous myself. ;)
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Psh- So says the tall skinny one.
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I like onomatopoeia myself. It's a very woody sounding word. Not like voluptuous. Mmm, too tinny for my ears. No no. Onomatopoeia.
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I'd like to point out that my mom (who has synaesthesia, i.e. words = colors) says that none of the words on our list are very pretty. Luscious is apparently too bright and shiny, and she gave "lemony" as a more balanced and pleasing alternative.
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I'd like to point out that I, who have Synasthesia, say this:
Voluptuous - violet.
Astounding - Silver
Thwart - Mustard
Onomatapoia - A sickly off white
delve - brown
Wriggling - Pinky Brown
Lunch - Bright Yellow
Sesquiential - Blue
Silky - A silvery blue
Logarithm - reddish yellow (I can't describe that colour any other way)
brob whatever - Brown
Luscious - brightish yellow.
I voted fro Thwart, ignoring the colours. I have the privalige of doing that. Lemony is brighter than Luscious, IMO. Lunch is brightest and clearest of all.
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I could read posts like this for hours.
Has anyone with synesthesia ever written a book? Someone really funny? Like Thurber. If Thurber had synesthesia I think his writing would be lethal comedy.
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Now, there's an idea. My NaNoWriMo was kinda humourous in some ways, while my next novel is basically a permutation of Cyberpunk like this:
Cyberpunk shows the near future to discuss the present, and is bleak.
Post-Cyberpunk shows the near future to represent the present, and is hopeful.
What I'm writing will show the present to represent the present, and will be nonsensical. The idea is that we're in postmodernism, which is a simple wya of saying the world has gone entirely insane, and insanity is the only sane response to it. So, I'm writing a love story between a failed, angry Sysadmin and a woman he met years ago. She decides to, romatically, on the spur of the moment fly over to see him. Beurocracies get in the way, and the whole story is about how difficult it has become to do something that should be simple, and how the modern world gets in the way of basic human stuff like that.
It's deisgned to be humourus. I need to write more than two pages.
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I'd like to point out that my mom (who has synaesthesia, i.e. words = colors)
You're telling me there's a name for that? I always just thought I was weird....
I may have to google this thing.
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Psh- So says the tall skinny one.
Not since being pregnant.
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I considered that, but I'm sure you look excellent.
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Where is your sig from, MsFish?
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I think it's from Dr. Seuss. I'm thinking the Lorax, but it could be Oh the Places You'll Go.
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I love the Lorax, and Oh The Places You'll Go, but this is not seussish.
It's a Shel Silverstein poem. Go children's poetry.
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Didn't even think of Silverstein. Don't know him as well as I know Seuss, and I don't know Seuss very well. But my favorite Shel Silverstein is The Crocodile Dentist. :)
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I like "Me Who with an Exactlywhat."
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Me Who is great.
I don't know that much Silverstein stuff, but one of my professors quoted this in class once, and I was like, that's awesome! So I asked him where it was from and looked it up.
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I grew up reading those books of poems on a practically daily basis for years at a time.... Probably kind of sad.
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I considered that, but I'm sure you look excellent.
/me blushes
Thanks.
And I don't think reading Shel Silverstein is sad.
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I'm really sad that the sound of a dial-up modem connecting is hated more than country music so far. I love the sound of a modem. It's freaky-cool.
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I love that if you pick up the phone while your computer is connected, and imitate the sounds the modem MAKES, it kicks the modem off line.
Did that to my little sister all the time when she hogged the phone line.
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...I think it just knocks the modem off whether or not you make the noises.
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consider that they could have made it sound like anything,.. or nothing...
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actually, it HAS to sound like something. The data in your computer is digital, but it's converted to an analog signal for the phone lines.
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:P
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I'm really sad that the sound of a dial-up modem connecting is hated more than country music so far. I love the sound of a modem. It's freaky-cool.
Problem is, if you are hearing the sound of a dial-up modem, it means you are connecting with a dial-up modem. And dial-up is the spawn of Satan.
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We have no Mac owners? Or has Ookla not voted yet?
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I own one, Jeffe owns one. Thats the only people afaik.
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We have no Mac owners? Or has Ookla not voted yet?
...I've voted now... >_>
I considered clicking the pants box, and then taking my pants off and clicking the no pants box, but...
And yes, I have a 17" G4 Powerbook.
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244 votes? /me is incredulous...
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I think that's the total number of check boxes filled.
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multiply our typical number of votes by five or six, and we're about in line.
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How is anyone voting for anything BESIDES a bevy of buxom circus ninjas? That is totally hot.
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Well, it says ninja. And there's no other option for pirates. So, I'd say thats dicriminating against TWGers. You can't have one without the other. So I just woke up.
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this is because pirates suck.
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And Ninjas ar REAL ULTIMATE POWER.
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Oh ar they? That would seem to be a Freudian slip of the pirate persuasion...
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Bah. Curses, foiled again. No reference to the Rokea (were-sharks from WoD).
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And how would I be lowered into a pit of sharks and pulling off my mask...? Oh yes I forgot about my clone army.
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If you are a short woman who owns a Mac, watches Battlestar Galactica, and doesn't wear pants, I regret that we have nothing here for you. We do, however, have several men who would love your phone number, and who are more than willing to overlook the Mac thing.
You mean they call girls? Why do I find that hard to believe?
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Bwahahahahaahahah!
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Because they hide too much. Any race of warriors that didn't go head to head with the werewolves are cowards! (Clever cowards, but still).
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Are you calling me a werewolf?
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Hrm... farmgirl... werewolf...
/me sees a connection!
Wait, you got ill. Werewolves with endurance 5+ don't get sick. There goes that idea.
:P No, I was replying to Fuzzy.
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New poll.
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I am disappointed that you put The Baroness up instead of Scarlett.
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you were more dissapointed that there was no mention of Jemm.
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I don't even remember Scarlett. The Baroness, on the other hand, is a hottie.
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you can't remember this? (http://www.auburn.edu/~zeesila/bns.JPG)
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I think I just got her confused with Lady Jay.
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And we totally forgot Cheetara.
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Lady Jaye was the butch short hair. Scarlett was the lovely red head.
and HoM, what? Are you some kind of erotic furry lover?
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His first suggestion was to put Perdy on the list. But that was admittedly an earlier draft with a completely different premise.
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What! No Ginger Rogers? Surely there has to be an animated version of her somewhere.
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Given that the person I thought was Lady Jay was actually Scarlett, and given that we spelled her name wrong anyway, I have amended the poll to include Scarlett. As Tage points out, it should also have Samus on there, but perhaps we'll save that for a "hot video game chicks" poll.
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Well, I wouldn't have voted for her, but Cheetara should have been on the list. Personally, I'm a Cinderella man, when it comes to Disney, although I voted for Anastasia.
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Cinderella Man, I feel I should point out, is a song by Rush.
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Missing Option: Jasmine, or whatever the chick from Aladdin was called. And what about the fairy chick from Fern Gully? She was a bit of alright.
We'll need a hottest anime girl poll too, of course. Sailor Moon being the only anime girl to show up really is a dismal failing. Plus, I want to see how many people vote for Misty from Pokemon.
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I nearly voted for Anastasia, because I wanted to change my name to Anastasia when I was a kid so that Stacy could be my nickname. :D
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I want to see how many people vote for Misty from Pokemon.
That is TOTALLY creepy, dude.
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What? She's Hot! Plus I know a bunch of people who would hack their IP to vote for Misty multiple times.
See, I'd only vote for her once.
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There's a much easier way to vote mulitple times.
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I agree that there are tons of hot anime characters out there, and Sailor Moon isn't that high up.
...Wow, it's really raining outside...
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for example, there's the sex ninja.
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And the buxom circus ninja.
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Woot, I was the first to vote!
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I'm boycotting this poll.
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I'm surprised Belle won, in that I've always felt her whole character was based on the fact that she was better than all the people she lived near.
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Is that bad? I'm better than all the people I live near.
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There's a difference between actually being better, like I am, and running around singing about it to the people you're better than, when what makes you "better" than them is that you're anti-social and defensive.
edit: I also dislike your assessment of Cinderella v. Belle. She's probably the best human being that Disney has portrayed. She doesn't break into random stranger's houses like Snow White, doesn't disobey her parents like Ariel, and she readily forgives her enemies rather than becoming violent. She actively uses what resources she DOES have to help the less fortunate (the mice, the birds, Bruno, etc) even though she has a strong claim on being the most repressed and least fortunate person int he locality.
Belle on the other hand whines about how everything around her is so uncool, but then does absolutely nothing about it but re-read the same book over and over and over again. Yeah, that's what I'm looking for in a girl.
Of course, Belle was a brunette and showed more shoulder than Cinderella...
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See, I abstained from voting in the last one out of principle: I'm not attracted to women.
However, I argue for Belle as well. I don't see her as whiney. She chooses her fate. Cinderella is a little more active than, say, Sleeping Beauty, but she's still pretty passive.
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uhm... How does Belle choose her fate? She actually GIVES UP at one poitn and instead of honoring her promise to stay runs off, and has to be rescued. She's trapped into what she does. Sorry, I still fail to see anything heroic about that.
And I think part of the disagreement might be that I don't think "choosing your fate" is a good thing if it comes at the cost of righteous living. Cinderella is righteous. She's even, dare I say it, Christlike in terms of her character. Belle is proud and snooty and pretty much a jerk (plus she traspasses). It's sometimes hard to see that because Gaston is so exaggerated in his jerk-ness, as is the Beast at first. Belle has to be FORCED to spend time with Beast to see anything good about him. She's just as judgemental as anyone else at first. She runs out to look for her father, not to make a better life (while the action is admirable, it's hardly doing anything to improve her life situation), she mistreats the Beast, disrespects the rules of his home, trespasses to a forbidden area even though she had plenty of other places to explore, and tries to run out on her commitment. She had fair enough reasons for some of those behaviors, but that doesn't make her any better than someone who patiently accepts her situation and tries to make the best of it and cheer the people around her. Frankly, Cinderella would do a lot more to make more people happy to be with her than Belle ever would. Belle is selfish, essentially, and yet we look at this selfishness as a virtue.
I don't think that exerting your free agency is automatically a good thing. Our society is starting to train us to that, because for so long the "docile" woman has been portrayed as desirable. I'm not saying that Cinderella's docility is what makes her good, I'm just saying that Belle's supposed activism, which I think isn't accurately portrayed when most people talk about her, isn't at all a virtue.
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Saying that she had to be forced to spend time with the Beast before seeing anything good in him is kind of unfair, because he was mean and scary and didn't show any good qualities until after she'd been with him for a while. I agree with a lot of your points, I just thought that one seemed like a cheap shot.
As for Cinderella being Christlike and benevolent, sure, but that doesn't make her any less vapid in my eyes. It's very hard for me to root for a heroine when everything she accomplishes is actually done by someone else, which is why Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty and the two Disney movies I can stand the least.
You make a good point about misplaced emphasis in our society, however: I can sit here and complain all day about how Cinderella does nothing to help her situation, but then I would be ignoring the fact that she does things to help other people's situations. When the other people in question are annoying, poorly animated rats with speech impediments, however, my sympathy for her is forgotten in my hatred for the movie in general. I think the mirror in Shrek said it best when he called Cinderella a mentally abused shut-in; compared to Belle, who is admittedly headstrong and selfish but also quite kind in more situations than you gave her credit for, I take the latter.
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Well, I guess I was thinking more of the original tales than of the Disney version, SE, so I see your points. Yet I must stubbornly protest that you're bringing up points that throw a wrench in the works of my paper! :-[ Thankfully, I'm not comparing Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast, though (I've always loved the Cinderella tale more than B&B, but Cinderella's overdone, when it comes to projects).
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well, Stacy, I wouldn't have a problem with the original tales, But when the origin of the disagreement comes from a poll about sexiest character in a cartoon, we're obviously talking about disney films. Bell does look better, I'll admit, although this is because Cinderella is from an earlier time and both has and displayes less cleavage.
I don't think Cinderella is vapid. I don't think there's much evidence for that. I think she does act in the sphere available to her. If she were given the sphere of potential influence that Belle had, I think we'd see a Cinderella that both gets to know the Beast faster than Belle does, because she's more forgiving, and also is less of a villager hater.
I can't argue about the mice. Though the bit where Gus-Gus spills all the corn is pretty funny.
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I don't think that the Beast would have ever grown to love Cinderella--she would have been far too accepting of his anger and tyranny, and thus wouldn't have forced him to change. She would have done the same in his house that she did in her own--avoid eye contact, say yes to every order, and retreat to her room whenever she got the chance. In a month she'd be one of the servants, and he'd forget she was there.
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Cinderella, and I'm a great expert on this because it is my daughters' favorite movie, doesn't avoid eye contact. She even tries to explain things to her step-mother at
one point. two points. Once when Gus-Gus gets her in trouble, and again when the invitation arrives. I don't think Cinderella is more formidable than you make her out to be. She obviously can't win against her step-mother, but she does try. ESM (Evil Step-Mother) has to think and use tricks to outwit Cinderella, and even then she almost doesn't defeat her step-daughter.
Cinderella would have had dinner with Beast on that first night, instead of rudely violating his personal space. Her kindness would have won him over, I think. The reason Beast even tried with Belle is NOT something she did, but because his servants kept urging him on. Whatever faults Beast may have, ignoring his servants isn't one of them. He listens to what they say, even if he doesn't follow counsel. Becoming one of his servants doesn't make him forget you. Plus she'd be around, the only human anywhere, which is pretty darn noticeable, even if you are meek.
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I'm in SE's corner on this one. Being snooty, rude and foolishly headstrong does not a good heroine make, although Disney seems to think so.
Keep in mind that Disney is the company that seems lately unable to make an animated film in which male characters do NOT dress up in women's clothing and prance around suggestively at least once.
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on that note, I asked my co-workers who the strongest female character in Disney Princess Land was. And the answer was Mulan. Which, whatever you think of the quality of the film, is pretty much accurate. She's rude and disobedient and criminal in the society, but still pretty strong in terms of sticking to what she thinks is right.
Also keep in mind that the cross dressing in both Mulan and ENG were pretty darn funny. I don't remember it happening in L&G though.
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L&G?
I just watched Lilo and Stitch and was temped to disagree with Skar, but then I remembered that Lt. Blinkly (?) dresses up as a woman to "blend in" on earth. After Stitch tries to swallow his head, and Noni exclaims, "Your head looks swollen," the other alien replies, "No, she's just ugly."
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on that note, I asked my co-workers who the strongest female character in Disney Princess Land was. And the answer was Mulan. Which, whatever you think of the quality of the film, is pretty much accurate. She's rude and disobedient and criminal in the society, but still pretty strong in terms of sticking to what she thinks is right.
Which falls right in line with your comments about the decay of our society.
And it follows that in order to break out of a bad tradition, such as the way women were treated in our country's past, women will have to break those rules that oppress them, which, to the those not bothered by the rules, just looks like them breaking rules.
What Disney and many of the "activists" have done is lose sight of the actual goals and just get caught up in the "rule-breaking" as though it were an end unto itself. Destructive and stupid.
Which leads into the general "liberal" mindset, that any and all restrictions on anyone's behavior are inherently bad and therefore to be rebelled against, with no thought given to how it will affect efforts to run a stable, secure society.
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I'll accept that. In Mulan's specific case, it was good rebellion. In most of the other cases it's not necessarily for a good purpose
L&G should have been L&S. I have no idea how that typo got in there.
I'm having the most incredible Deja Vu about this discussion. I think maybe I had it once in an IRC channel. ANd got yelled at by my wife for it. Weird.
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Mulan is certainly a strong character, but doesn't that get us back to a point Stacer made (somewhere on the boards, I forget where) that women should not have to act like men in order to be considered strong? Doesn't Mulan just prove that she can do the same things men do? I wonder if there is an active, capable Disney character who displays a distinctly feminine form of power.
I hope you guys realize that I have work to do. Interesting conversations like this aren't going to help it get done.
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Cinderella.
:D
She uses typical female chores to do her good. It's not a great example for that question, but it's the closest you'll get, I think.
On that note, That's how Eowyn gets her womyn power thing going too. She says "I'm no man!" but her whole behavior is to show that by doing what a man can do. Interesting.
I'd probably babble on, but I want to go home, and this interesting conversation has held me to my desk as long as I'm going to let it.
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Fell just catagorized my beef with Mulan.
I think Jasmine is pretty strong (too much cleavage, but that's beside the point). She might not pick up a sword, and she can be whiney, granted, but she doesn't just sit around Buttercuping it when Aladdin is trying to get the lamp.
I think Noni is a really good example too. She doesn't always get it right, but she tries really hard to be a good sister, mother-figure for Lilo. Interestingly, the leader of Galatic command is female.
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But a woman doesn't have to be traditionally feminine to be feminine, if that makes sense. She doesn't have to be Cinderella, mopping the floors, I mean. (I think you know this, too, SE. I'm just saying.) I think Mulan's cross-dressing was the only solution she could think of in that kind of situation. I don't know how to say what I'm trying to say. She was working within the confines of her situation by subverting it, and in this case it was for good reasons, so I can see the justification within the story for her "becoming" a man.
But I would like to see more strong feminine characters, but it's the whole negotiation of what is it to be truly feminine, you know? I think of Elder Faust's talk to women asking us not to lose our "sweet femininity." Does having to be a stressed-out career girl make me less feminine? I think I'm pretty darn feminine. Where is the balance between the new freedom women find themselves with, and hanging on to the truly feminine?
Does that make sense?
And I have homework to do, speaking of stressing out, so I may not be making much sense, and I should be paying attention to the book I'm reading. ;)
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I think Noni is a really good example too. She doesn't always get it right, but she tries really hard to be a good sister, mother-figure for Lilo. Interestingly, the leader of Galatic command is female.
Ooo, I hadn't thought of Noni. I've only seen the movie once. I think Noni is a perfect example of what I'm trying to describe.
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But Mulan had to become a guy to be strong. I agree that it makes sense for Mulan, given her society, to do what she did, but it bothers me when the definition of a strong female is someone who is so man-like that there ceases to be a distinction.
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I think Jasmine is pretty strong (too much cleavage, but that's beside the point). She might not pick up a sword, and she can be whiney, granted, but she doesn't just sit around Buttercuping it when Aladdin is trying to get the lamp.
Yeah, but she's pretty much a rotten person. It's been a long time since I saw the movie but aren't all the problems pretty much started when she abdicates her responsibilities as a princess because she feels "confined" or "forced to do things against her will" or some such?
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This needs its own thread. 3 pages guys???
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Excellent point. Continue all discussion of Jasmine's cleavage here: http://www.timewastersguide.com/boards/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=movies;action=display;num=1108433354;start=0
And reserve this thread for discussion of the current poll.
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I suspect poll rigging...
comrade went from 23- to 30 in like 2 hours with no voting for days.
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I don't doubt that either of the two main choices were rife with cheating. Maybe if the losers in charge of the poll had put a new one up on Thursday like they were supposed to, things like this wouldn't happen.
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I keep reading "mighty sword" as "naughty sword" which really adds a different element to LTUE which I would never expect to show up.
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Best...poll...EVAR!!!!!
Genius. Every one a gem. Though the cleverness level does seem to be a big step down on the mighty sword one, so I'm wondering if I'm just missing something on that one.
I cannot decide what to vote for. I'll have to consider it for a few days.
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I don't think there's much to get with that one. I think it's just pointing out the disparity of how enthusiastic fantasy fans/re-enactors/cos-players get about their props and material and how the "real" world treats that enthusiasm and prop.
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Yeah, what SE said.
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It's an oblique reference to MST3K, which I quote fairly frequently. I knew no one (except maybe Mustard) would get it. Also from the same episode: "I'm HUGE!"
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haikiba....
double haikiba.
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Awlllright, I broke down and voted for "I'm smarter..." Which thus became the current front-runner by a hair.
I also posted & linked the poll on the Ookla mailing list.
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I think I voted for "laughing at the masses."
I'm with you Ookla, that this was a killer poll.
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New poll, courtesy of Kije.
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umm...tell Kije he's not allowed to do polls anymore. I want to vote for all of them and can't make my nind up.
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I'm sorry, Ben Stiller as Venom just kicked so much massive butt that even as I was laughing, I nearly choked on that last one. It earned my vote.
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I changed two of them, but I won't say which. For now, assume that all the genius is his and that anything you don't like is mine.
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Wow, so biased in the Marvel universe is it. My oh my though, no Endless, Dream, etc. C'mon, that option could have went on forever with all of his names.
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there are 6 marvel and 6 DC characters. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. Not that I ever have.
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He wants us to have included Sandman. Mostly so he can say that he likes Sandman.
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I do have the power of influence. So =P
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Wasn't Sandman first published by DC/Vertigo? so.... yeah. Not sure what my point is. How about adding Chris Farley as Sandman in order to please Gemm?
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I changed two of them, but I won't say which. For now, assume that all the genius is his and that anything you don't like is mine.
I'll say. Aquaman and Captain America are arguably two of the funniest choices. Those were Dan, if I remember correctly.
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No, wait. I know I didn't do Carol Channing.
It doesn't really matter, I guess.
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Captain America was yours.
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what? no write-up?
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It's coming. Yesterday was really busy.
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Is Moulder supposed to be Mulder?
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While Muad'Dib obviously is winning based on sheer coolness points, let's not ignore the fact that "Eeny, Meeny, Miney, Mini-Me" SOUNDS so much funnier
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To moulder is to rot or decompose. This is another Kije poll, and his original spelling was molder, which is a from used as a mold. I added the u because I think the word moulder is cool.
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the molder option was supposed to be a reference to the X-files agent, which apparently I misspelled. Sorry. But moulder works too, for you undead-loving wierdos :).
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I've had many people ask me why it isn't Mulder, and now I see that it was supposed to be. Oh well.
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Come on Kije, a 30 second visit to the IMDB would have cleared up the spelling of his name. You're not allowed to be lazy.
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30 second? Someone needs to upgrade their net connection :P
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you have to type in the name, too, Ent. And since he didn't know how to spell it, he would have had to type in the name of the show, do the search, find the right link, then scroll down to the cast list. Not hard, just about 30 seconds worth of time.
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/me injects SE with anti-boring drugs
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all you have to do is say something interesting to respond to.
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Come on Kije...You're not allowed to be lazy.
...but I've got a License to Ill.
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Kije and I are going to form a misogynist white rap group with dopey names. We're not going to play instruments well or sound very good, but we'll still be curiously popular among the alternative hipster types
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exactly
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yay thursday is over.... now Gemm can get the back of our collective hands...
I want pictures...
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You will get pictures, after developization, transportation, scantism, and un-upload-argration (ok, even i'll admit that last one was a bit much). But yes, all in due time. The one of 5 of us outside La Puenta... right, will be a little while in the making. Still have to use that roll up. But duely!
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Man, that picture I took of Fell's sock has become legendary.
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I'm so glad that "kiss my grits" is in an early lead.
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Today we heard a story in training about a tech who was helping a customer with their customer number. There was a 0 missing from the number, and the rep typed the resolution into the database as "told them where to stick it"
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That's how all helpdesk customers should be answered.
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favorite option that isn't an option on this poll: Where does that highway go to?
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Although any poll that can get me to spontaneously sing Bob Dylan at work is a damn fine poll, I'd say.
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Wow. It's really hard to decide between all those poll options. I'm thinking, though, that the best thing about doing reviews on behalf of a major company like this will get me a LOT more free stuff to review.
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Aww, no poll writeup for the aprils fool one? I really liked that one :(
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I would have added "If someone starts flashing it means they're almost dead" to this pole becasue that's something I'm allwayse looking for.
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Wow, this one was way too hard to pick just one answer! It was a toss up between three of them, and I just randomly picked one of them.
And if flashy people had been one of the options, that would have made it even harder to decide which answer was the best.
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Do I have to throw my weight around to get the last choice up there? What is wrong with you people!
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Gotta say, I love the blurb for the poll results article.
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What was sick?
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tell grandma I love her. Time Travel. Took me a while to get it.
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...someone want to explain?
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Beats me, Ookla. Sexy ninjas are dirty I guess or something.
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The speaker is suggesting if he develops time travel, he goes back in time and marries his own grandmother and grandfathers himself.
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Everyone talks about the grandfather paradox, but we tend to not mention the part about how such a thing would require you to sleep with your own grandmother.
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I would probably name myself Pope Khan. Just so I could excommunicate Captain Kirk and make him yell, "Pope Khhhhaaaaannn!" Sweet sweet relinquish.
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...So?
Could be worse...see "All You Zombies"
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Because as we all know, All You Zombies are belong to us.
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Pollyphobia , n. an unnatural fear of having made the wrong Poll choice, experienced moments after clicking "Vote".
2. An unnatural fear of parrots.
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First vote! salt lick, of course.
The poll needs some editing. Cockatiel, and there's a word missing from one of the options...
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Cockatiel is a stupid spelling, and I'm a descriptive linguist. As for the missing word, I'll take a look.
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What's stupid about it? I see on google that cockatiel is preferred with a ratio of fifty to one, and the top hit for "cockateel" is a wikipedia redirect to "cockatiel."
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Just because people are slaves to The Man doesn't make The Man right.
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But statistics makes the people right, and the people have spoken!!!
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You for got the 'We' in 'We now our gay apparel.' Did I leave it out too?
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No, it sounds better that way - because donnie is two syllables. Don - ee now our gay apparal sounds better than "Donnie we now"
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That was, actually, the joke. As the items moved down the list, they grew progressively more removed from the word at the top. Donnie Darko is first--an exact match. Then Donny Osmond, a homonym that is still a name. Then Don Knotts, which is a shortened version of the original.
Then we move on to Donalds Duck and Trump, where we're extrapolating the name at the top into other versions, rather than just shortening it. Then we have Dawn Wells, which not only uses a homonym of a shortened version, but switches the name to a female one.
We now our Gay apparel was supposed to be the last, and most ridiculous of the options, as it took a version of the name and used it in a non-name context, making it the punchline of the set. I'm not sure where the last three options came from.
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Yeah, I think it should have "we" in there.
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I didn't notice the progression, and took the "we" out for the same reason Fuzzy mentioned. I also re-ordered a few of them, and added in the last three to make a full 12. Sorry to have missed your original intention--if I'd known that the order had a reason, I would have left it intact.
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Yeah, I noticed a few of them were out of order. Quijote and Of the Dead don't make sense in the progression as they are.
But, no biggie. It's just a silly little word play I was fooling around with one day.
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Hey, where are the results from the last thread? The salt lick won, right?
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Yes it did.
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One of the choices should have been, "Who's the Pillsbury Doughboy?"
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Or who's still looking for Mr. Goodbar?
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I laughed at the current poll, the one about discovering identities, because I could honestly mark this choice:
"No seriously, I want to know who my real dad is."
...because I'm adopted!
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So what happened to Poll Results articles?
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I grew very bored by them. I should probably do them anyway, but...you know.
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* Pokes Fell with a post-poll-results type poking stick.
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And his apprentice wasn't pleased by this so he went on strike to form an "Apprentice Articler's" union. Which was later shot down and reformed as the Writer's Guide to America, which was quickly disbanded and reformed as the Writer's Guild of America. Both of which are highly infamous.
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I can start doing poll results. I'll just have to notice when they change.
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Seriously, *I* can do poll results articles if no-one will, because no one has been.
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So can I, but sensitive readers might be induced into acts of extreme negligence towards their pets if I do.
And pedobear says no to negligence!
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*smells a job I'd love to do*
Hmph. Too slow off the mark.
You know, if somebody doesn't, I think I'm just going to start *writing* the damn things, and posting them on this thread just to prove a point
*sigh* I have too much time.
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How about you write one for the latest, and send it to "Submit an Article" and we'll publish it?
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What the 'ell, I think I will.
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Note that if you miss the change, you CAN view past polls by following the "polls" link under the current one. I think I'd rather have Gopher do it than Jam, since Jam does so much other stuff, this would probably keep him doing that AND get Gopher's material.
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I'm fine with Gopher doing it.
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I'd like to see Gopher write them - as mentioned, I already do plenty, but I'm willing to do more to see poll results articles because I like them. This more, it seems, will involve poking Gopher.
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He's already poked me about 12 times.
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It's not working, so I'll keep poking you.
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/me loans Jam his poking stick.
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Ok, Ok, I give in, I'll try to have this one done by tomorrow... *sigh*
(this is the "why hasn't the poll been updated..." one)
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Submitted :D
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New poll's up.
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Those poll results need some serious formatting.
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That was a test, you could only see the formatting if you weren't jerk face.
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Hey. I have feelings, you know. My heart isn't made of stone.
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but your nose appears to resemble a brass pig's.
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Virgin Sacrrfice 101 for the win!
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WE haven't been seeing poll write ups...
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Virgin Sacrrfice 101 for the win!
No no no. I want "How Not to Be Seen"!
That was a great Monty Python's Flying Circus skit.
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It most certainly was. Remember how it ended with a song, and all the musicians were hiding in boxes?
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YES!!! It was great how they carried the humor throughout the rest of the show.
Tage has Monty Python's Flying Circus on DVD, that's actually how I saw the clip. Now I want to watch the entire season. Hours of my life well-spent, I would think!
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How Not to Be Seen and Virgin Sacrifice 101 are tied right now, 21 to 21. When do you close the poll?
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How not to be seen IN THE LEAD!! Boo-yah!!
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Wow, I didn't expect such a heated contest this week. Fortunately for you, "How not to be seen" took the lead with 29 enrollments. Class is going to be crowded.
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"LF2M UBRS - no rogues" was one of the reasons I stopped playing WoW.
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I voted for wang, but it'd be cool to actually know what ANY of those meant.
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I don't know how to vote because I don't even understand the question. Is it Internet slang, or something? I'll probably pick the most coherent one, about "playakiller has challenged you to a duel." All the words are at least in English. :)
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They're all things you'll hear (or read I guess) while playing World of Warcraft, and that is the correct "net" way of spelling things.
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Oh, okay. Thanks Spriggan. ;D
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It's also the way I'm teaching my children to speak and write. Traditional English is so yesterday, noob. Pwnzzor!!!11!!ONE!111
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I play WoW and I do not know what some of those are.....how sad :'(
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Thanks to Sprig for the new poll idea.
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I believed you, Fell, and felt sorry about the carpal tunnel!!! I feel so deceived...
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This is two weeks in a row that I've shamelessly stolen a poll option from Spriggy. One of these options is an NPC in our Heroes Unlimited game--can you guess which one?
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I am really disturbed that 'baconade' is winning.
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A cookie to anyone who can guess which three on that poll happened to Tage (obviously Tage, Fell, and Tiekel already know so it wouldn't be fair for them to guess).
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Vaccination, schoolbus, and swing?
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I don't know if he sings or not, but I've seen "locked knees during choir performance" happen dozens of times so I'll vote for that.
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No one's right so far.
Also, two options on this poll are Mustard. Guess those and you get 2/3 of a cookie.
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i'm guessing breakdancing, paper clip, and ice skating.
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2 out of 3...but which 2?
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paper clip and break dancing
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I vote for ice skating. I once had a roommate who fell while ice skating with her boyfriend. He skated over her finger, slicing off its tip. So she now has one stubby finger. Ice skating is dangerous!
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Im' thinking paperclip and breakdancing, but changing skating to horseshoes.
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It's like playing Mastermind!
Still 2 out of 3.
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Are you guys guessing about me or HoM? And how on earth does Sprig remember the 3 ways I've been knocked unconscious in my life?
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Tage fanclub newsletter #16.
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ok, well, now I'm certain it's the paperclip and the breakdancing. Plus those are the most amusing ways mentioned on the poll. I can eliminate a couple others. I'm thinking the horse one is Stacer. Just a guess. I don't picture Tage being in a musical, so my next guess is bleeding internally.
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Dang it I've got an idea on what two are mustard's but I don't want to ruin which one SE is missing.
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Well, here's a hint then: I've never in my entire life done any breakdancing.
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Here's a hint: I have tried breakdancing, once, on my mission, at about three in the morning. It was a rockin' party. Pop n' lock, baby.
But I didn't knock myself unconscious.
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I'm thinking the horse one is Stacer. Just a guess.
Well, my Shetland pony Peanut when I was 6 did ram me into a telephone pole (among other things--she hated me, I think--she dropped me on my head or my butt every chance she got). But I don't believe I lost consciousness.
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You had a pony? When you were 6? Isn't that like, every girl's dream?
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Oh yes, I had a pony. I had a pony and 12 Quarter Horses, actually. And it was my dream life, as far as horses go. I even got to be in a horse show at age 7 (with my dad leading me around the arena--by that time Peanut had me really scared and I didn't want to have her dump me in front of all those people). I got 3rd out of three and still have the little trophy they gave me.
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well, then it must be paperclip, horseshoes, and ice skating then. That is, if everyone isn't lying.
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We have a winner! Now guess Mustard's.
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What an odd poll. I have no words.
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This poll is awesome. I had to vote for Boba Fett, but I was tempted with almost all of the choices.
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Same here.
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oh come now. As unbelievably cools as almost all of those are, James Bond in Kitt AND Airwolf would kill all of them, except Superman with a lightsaber, who is the most powerful destructive force known to man.
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It was a close race, but the clear winner in the end was Superman. Batman and James Bond tied for second, followed by Boba Fett and, eventually, Spartacus. Because if he lands that vortex grenade, you're GONE.
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How could I have guessed that the goth/teen angst answer would be winning?
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Because Apathy is the only thing on that list that's actually capable of ending the world, and our readers have no imagination.
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When one quotes Frost, I feel compelled to honor him.
So I took, perhaps, the least imaginative of all the answers.
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I chose Tupperware. That is where the real threat lies.
BTW, what was the winner of the last poll--the spaceship name?
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How could I have guessed that the goth/teen angst answer would be winning?
I actually just voted for apathy because Spriggan complained about it.
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All previous poll results are available through the link on the bottom of the poll box.
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I voted twice for bunny. Hehehehehehehehehehe.
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So how does that work? A bunny suit inside a bunny suit?
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new poll, new poll, new poll, new poll!!! All in favor say yeah!
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I'm a big fan of the new poll. It had me laughing. Yay for Harry Potter! ;D
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I didn't notice there was a new one till you posted about it, Chimera. Yes, this one warms my classic movie buff heart. I think this is my Favorite. Poll. Ever.
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I'm tickled by the praise. To be honest, though, at least 7 of the options this time around are Mustard's doing, as was the original concept. All praise to the poll master.
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Yes, this poll is freaking awesome. I love it.
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Oh you.
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I got a good laugh out of this one, too. Definitely one of the better ones.
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I think Mustard is just buttering us all so he can spring up another inevitable move on us. He probably found an apartment across the street that he likes better.
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The best way to get out of that is to tell him he's fat, and so in his own interests you're going to make him do it himself so he can get the exercise.
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I'm not moving, yet. We've only lived there seven months -- give us till the end of the year.
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The new poll is made with apologies to McSweeney's, from whom I bald-facedly stole the idea (though not, to my knowledge, any actual answers).
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Love this poll, every answer was one I wanted to choose.
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I had to vote for Tages mistress after reading this....
http://www.sploid.com/news/2006/01/czech_your_coat.php
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A really cool one I wish I'd thought of at the time: Stratford-on-Avon.
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heh. I likes. Girls on Film is the name of the Duran Duran song, though, which I personally think is funnier.
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Oh man, that would have been awesome. This poll is dead to me now.
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I cheated and picked 6. Apart from leadership, 6 is the only way to go.
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I used an Action Point on mine and came out with a 10.
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Well I actually had a d6 on my husband's dresser,but that's the only reason I actually rolled one was it was close at hand.
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You mean you don't *always* have your dice bag with you?
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I'm really tempted to say something dirty here, since the dice in question were right next to the bed. But I'm too tired to think up anything.
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Kama Sutra dice !
It is Valentines day. :D
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That sounds like an excellent google search string
http://www.onepassionplace.com/kamasutradice.htm
(relatively) SFW (no pics, but I haven' searched out the links on the page)
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Those crack me up.
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You need a write-in response for this poll. I rolled the die that is next to my computer - the first time it came up Krusty, the second time Mr Burns and the third, Bart. I don't know what answer to pick!
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Obviously Bart. Bart is a part of the family that is the namesake of the show, so he definitely takes precedent. Plus, he has a really cool slingshot.
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Well, let's use Kabbalah:
KRUSTY
K = 11
R = 18
U = 21
S = 19
T = 20
Y = 25
Total = 114
1 + 1 + 4
= 6
So there's your answer.
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Thanks - I'll vote 6. I knew there was an answer out there. Although the word "Bart" is a rough matte lavendar and the word "six" is a slight gloss red. So I don't know...
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Is there a number that matches Bart's color? Or is there, perhaps, a giant pooka looking over your shoulder?
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The closest number to Bart is 83. And there are nor pink pookas on my shoulders!
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there's a certain amount of irony that this weeks poll coincides with my stats homework.
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You know, not being born a synesthetic is one of my lifelong regrets. I just think that that would be incredibly cool.
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At last! A little respect! All I get from my family is ridicule and derision - but I have always suspected it stemmed from jealousy.
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You are wrong! Six is a bright yellow! Bart is also a bright yellow! Krusty is lurid green, offhand.
Every Synaesthesiate other than me sees things in the wrong colours.
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Wrong?!? I have been doing this much longer than you, and obviously know what the "real" colors are. I had to drop out of the Synesthesia network because they kept insisting they knew what the colors wereand it made my blood boil. Do you know that about 75% of synesthetes see the same colors? I am proud to be both different AND correct.
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and cool!
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At last! A little respect! All I get from my family is ridicule and derision - but I have always suspected it stemmed from jealousy.
I suspect this has to do with the fact that you spawned Dan and Rob.
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To whom or where would I submit a poll I made? Assuming you take submissions.
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email fell. he does those.
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Gwar and Barney are neck in neck.... scary.
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Especially because if they're neck in neck, that's an entirely different thing from being neck and neck.
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I thought I was clear when I said GWAR was involved.
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See, if I knew what GWAR was, that would be really funny.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwar
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Ah. Ew.
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That reaction made this entire poll worth it. Also, the fact that someone actually voted for Polo Urias y su Maquina Nortena.
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How bout that if you search for Polo Urias y su Maquina Nortena on MSN Search TWG is the #3 page?
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that's because Polo Urias y su Maquina Nortena is the new Ginger Rogers, ca 1936
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I voted for that option.
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So I'm thinking that either Sprig wrote the current poll, or "Psichosis" is someone turning psionic?
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Today's poll is courtesy of Nessa, and yes, all misspellings are on purpose. May I just say that I would love to catch an intense case of Nymphoma.
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They are all based on real diseases/symptoms. Some are obvious. I can post what I based them on, if you want.
Fell, you changed Tendinkenisis (to Telekinekeness). It was that way on purpose. Tendinitis (a tendon injury, like tennis elbow) + Telekinesis. Just so you know it was that way for a reason (and so no one thinks I came up with something as strage as Telekinekeness ;)).
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Yes, I typically take liberties with polls that are submitted by other people. Tendonkinesis is not as funny to me as Telekinekeness, for reasons that will be clear to anyone who knows Spriggan in real life.
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Tendonkinesis is not as funny to me as Telekinekeness, for reasons that will be clear to anyone who knows Spriggan in real life.
I'm thinking I need the back story for this one. Please tell!
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Whell, I can move things with my mind, I'm what you call Pasykick.
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Let's just say that with some words, Sprig pronounces about as well as he spells. He always adds a k into that word, and I have no idea why.
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Sprig pronounces about as well as he spells. He always adds a k into that word, and I have no idea why.
lol. It must be a Sanderson family thing. Anybody notice how EUOL always pronounces "especially" like "eck-specially." He'd say this word like that in class all the time, and it drove me bonkers.
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Thanks to Kije for today's poll.
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The new poll is freaking awesome, one of the funniest I've seen, it was actually hard to pick what to vote for this time.
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Personally, I think this week's poll is better. But that's because it's all about me!
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So wait..Did you really quit?
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Check the Site News.
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So is there some reason why my vote for the last option never goes through?
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Maybe it isn't a choice?
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this is red rocks, this is the edge!
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There better be a pirate one next week... And not some lame one like, 'what does a Pirate small closest too?' kind of crap. >:( >:( :P
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It's not "Talk like a pirate day" next week--why would you expect a pirate poll?
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September is too long to wait. Besides, not like it's be.. like a ninja or something week thing going on right now.
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There actually is a ninja day. I'll hit ninja burger and find out what day it is.
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Wow, the current poll just gave me a flashback to the GRE. What a stupid test. The poll is much better.
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The current poll is sadistic.
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You clones, always so serious. ;D
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Hey, if your siblings said that you and your twin should have been named Pete and Repeat, you might be a little touchy about this poll.
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Hey, that's a good one. I'll remember that for "Making Fun of Twins Part 2."
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and where was doublemint?