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General => Rants and Stuff => Topic started by: Sminja on April 20, 2004, 09:14:42 PM
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TFO and I are doing a project for school...we have to build a model of Pompeii. Now, we have already built the paper mache Mt. Vesuvius (soon to be "exploded", hehe), but does anyone have any suggestions for anything we could do? Info on materials to use, info on Pompeii in general, etc. would all help. ;D
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Google Pompeii. My sister just did this too and I helped her find info. There are lots of sites that have info, maps, pictures and such. Also if you google mount vesuvius you'll get a lot of info too.
Depending on how detailed you want to get this can get very expensive. I remember makeing models in my High School aritecture class and we'd easly spend $50 on adverage a person. I would allwase spend some of my cash for extra things, so I'd be in the rage of $80.
Paper machie would work nicely for Vesuvius, and for pompeii i'd use stryafome. Not the stuff you'd get from packageing, but the modeling stuff. Or Balsa wood. You'll end up spending a lot for this project if you go either way.
Cheeply, I'd use carboard cutouts just get some from an artstore and draw the bulidings on it then cut them out and stand them up.
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Thanks. Yeha, this could get expensive...I may be able to find stuff out of peoples recycling bins and such...but that's pushing it. All I know is that I'm not buying the rest of the stuff, because i already bought the vinegar and baking soda *coughmaxgetyourbuttoutandbuysomethingcough*
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I'm shelling out for the superlight model stuff clay thingies, and the paints and prolly the wooden base too, why not yell at daina
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(sp) Dana. Anyway, cool, do you know when you'll get that stuff? I'm guessing sometime this weekend.
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saturday prolly round noon,or whenever you and or dana get your butt/s over here
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Put the gods on the volcano. It would look pretty cool to see Vulcan or Eros slide down the mountain.
And will Mr. Golden accept a project like that? I thought it had to be something a powerpoint, or a poster with info.
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well sam is supposed to be writing a paper to go with it...
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I am.
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I guess asking how far along you are is pointless, right?
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It should also have Oedipus taking out the Sphinx, and the Calydonian Boar hunt.
Here's a little fun 'fact'
"Oedipus became king of Thebes, and unwittingly married his mother (Jocasta) and became father of their children."
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one, it's caledonian, two the boar hunt is nowhere near pompeii(if it's caledonian, its in scottland)
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What I was talking about was near Rome, or Greece. And I spelled it's name correctly.
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well we are doing a pompeii project not a rome or greece project.
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The Calydonian Boar was sent by Artemis to punish King Oeneus for failing to honour her in sacrifice.
The giant, wild boar caused widespread damages and death to the rural region around Calydon. Oeneus asked for the heroes in Greece to hunt down the boar.
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Oh, right.
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okay but it's still off topic and dont apply to pompeii
ps- oedepus didnt kill the sphinx, the sphinx killed itself out of shame becaus oedepus solved it's riddel
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Same thing.
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actually in the court of law it's not, all though you wouldnt believe how many times murderers have used the "he killed himself cuz i solved his riddel" excuse...
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Yeah, but that's a myth...we need real facts about Pompeii...
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Well I went there,... would that help :)
in 1995 i went to Pompeii for school.
Oh and I have a small collection of books about the subject.
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The important thing the guides there keep hammering into you is that contrary to public opinion Pompeii was not a massively wealthy urbs. Sure there were some wealthy people in it, but for the most part they just got by. You can see this most evident in several of the temples which used brick covered in stucco for the columns and construction rather than marble. Still walking the city you find yourself amazed at roman engineering ability. The streets were narrow, and at almost every intersection there was a set of,... well stepping stones cut at just the right points to allow wagons to pass. The Baths are impressive and after thousands of years the frigidarium (cold room) was still cold (about 60 degrees or so on a hot 85 degree day). It also easy to get a feel for real roman life from the city, like several houses that had cool personal touches (Cave Canum-Beware of the dog). Keep in mind that the excavation of the site dates back to the 1800's and realize that before then the city was under rubble, and ash 20 to 40 feet thick. the weight of all that ash collapsed the top floors of almost every 2 story building so you dont get the full impression of what the city looked like, but you get a good enough impression.... I'll see If I can dig up and scan a few pictures from my private collection for you.
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You should use the Eyewitness acount of Pliny http://pompeii.virginia.edu/pliny.html
And these are some good pictures, but not by me so cite them correctly
http://wings.buffalo.edu/AandL/Maecenas/italy_except_rome_and_sicily/pompeii/thumbnails_contents.html
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That was pretty cool, Jeffe. I didn't realize anyone had that much useless information stored in their brains.
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Actually, that argument might hold up in court, Max. You never know until you try.
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step one: find topographical map and craft city out of that weird clay junk
step two: smack nick upside the head with the finished model
step three: turn in model.
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sounds good
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and bring me his teeth so i can taunt him with them.
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ummm...kay...
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A model of the whole citys gonna be tough...
Pompeii was pretty big... even for then.
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Maybe we'll only do like half the city...or the main part of the city...did Pompeii have a forum (marketplace, etc.)?
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howw bout we do the part closest to vesuvius seeing as we're putting the volcanoe right next to it.... jeeze sam think!
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Vesuvius is kinda far for scale.
Do the Forum, its easy, or even better do a scale model of one of the intact houses.
UVA has some more great stuff for you...
http://pompeii.virginia.edu/pompeii/t-s_top.html
I highly reccomend the quicktime panoramics....
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it's not to scale, we dont have that kind of patience for newspaper
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Yay! We realized that Pompeii is much smaller than Vesuvius, thus reducing the amount of materials we need to make the city! I'm thinking we still need to make the Bay of Naples, though, that would be kind of cool...
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More importantly you need to make a Sarno river running into the bay.
heres how it looks in short ASCII
^=volcano
.= city
/=river
.^. ./ .
the first city is Herculaneum the second is Oplonto the third Pompeii and the fourth was Stabiae Sorrentum other citys affected were Sarno and Nuceria . Basically everything to the south and west of the volcano with the exception of Herulaneum were buried in 15-20 feet of volcanic ash in a period of 3 days. It was recorded that the erruption was also accomponied by lightning, tidal waves and earthquakes and the sky was filled with black poison gasses.
Pompeii had about 20,000 citizens and there were no survivors. I make the distiction of citizens because the Romans were big slave owners, and it is unknown just how many people died in the disaster.
I'll see If I can find a real map, and If I cant I'll scan the one I do have...
Vesuvivus now is smooth, rounded with a little bobble cut out of the lip and a deep evil looking black ash and soot color I remember notes or red in it too. Back then it was green and pastoral, covered in farms, vineyards and luxury villas.
The erruption was the second of two terrible disasters that had hit Pompeii in a span of less than 20 years (the first being a horrific earthquake in 62 AD that levelled most of the city). This is why at the time of the erruption that Pompeii was not a particularly weathy city.
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That's really good info, thanks Jeff. Was Herculaneam the actual place where the lava flowed, so it got destroyed? I remember readig that...and all the ash went the other way to the other citites, which is why they are preserved. Correct me if I'm wrong, there.
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'yes and no, Herculaneum was technically destroyed by a pyroclastic flow *described by the US Geological Survey as "A ground-hugging avalanche of hot ash, pumice, rock fragments, and volcanic gas that rushes down the side of a volcano as fast as 100 km/hour or more. "
"The temperature within a pyroclastic flow may be greater than 500° C, sufficient to burn and carbonize wood. Once deposited, the ash, pumice, and rock fragments may deform (flatten) and weld together because of the intense heat and the weight of the overlying material"
Plus there was signifigant projecta from the cone when it blew, some ash did fall there. For a nice comparasin you guys should look into the explosion of Mt. Saint Helens which while more modern had a similar effect and erruption.
Dormant Volcano, structural defect in cone combined with massive pressure = explosion remember that Vesuvius was actually a little milder, but still bad.
The big killer in all of those places was poison gas.
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http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v97/maddrjeffe/vesuvmap.gif
The first map is a rough area of the bay including vesuvius and the major towns
http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v97/maddrjeffe/vesuvius_italy.jpg
The second is a modern day photo of the region from space
http://img32.photobucket.com/albums/v97/maddrjeffe/1944navy.jpg
and the third is a photo from the 1944 Vesuvius erruption
Note how close Naples is to the volcano.
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might want to fix that fist link there Jeffe. Should be GIF
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when did we fix the forums so you dont have to use tags for URL's?
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It's been that way for several years. Since we upgraded to TWG 3.0
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weird, and Ive been using tags all this time.
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Thanks so much for those. This weekend will be the last weekend to work on the project...so I'll let you know how we did... ;D
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cool
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how about a quick update guys?
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well sam stiffed m e and went to a swim meet so dana and I just now finished what we have come to call "ghettosuvius" it's preety good, considering the magma chamber is a super-size cup from taco-bell a,d the houses look liked shaped marshmallows(I tried to eat one) the clay we used kinda tastes like sugar. and we applied a lot of spray on grass/rock
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ghettosuvius
I like it...
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thank you.
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Max, I didn't "stiff" you on purpose...I couldn't get away from the uncrontrollable force that is my dad (he wanted to do something with me for my birthday, which was, by the way, today), and I did not have a swim meet. I had one yesterday, though, and I dropped 10 seconds on my 500m race! I'm happy...and I finished the Pompeii paper, by the way.
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okay, well as a present I wont smack you upside the head with ghettosuvius.
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I'm also going to make a mini-poster board thing...
P.S.- What the heck does owning a soup kitchen have to do with light magic? I would guess it would have as much to do with light magic as alms collecting has to do with divinity...
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Weren't you going to smack me upside the head with 'ghettosuvius'?
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yeah, yeah, yeah...yeah...yeah, and once more for good measure... yeah...
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Say hi to Morgane for me when you give her my teeth.
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And has Sam finished the essay part of the project yet?
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yeah sam finished the essay.
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yes....*Sminja darts away with shifty eyes...*
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You sure?
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Sam, did you read the message I sent you? Because I'm putting on the gloves.
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dont worry guys I wrote a back-up essay just in case sam stiffs me again...
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I didn't stiff you the first time! It wasn;t my fault...I tried to get to your house, but was declined...by my Dad...did you really write a backup essay?
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yes
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ll we presented our volcanoe on friday and it went pretty well, although I think Mr. Golden was dissapointed when nobody(matt) lost an eye
sam can fill you in on the rest
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Well, Mr. Golden's the Aquatics Supervisor for all the swim meets, waterpolo games, etc., so he always talks to me there (since I do play those). On Friday, he told me that he loved our report...so...I'm hopin' for an A.
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sweetness
but I meant tell them about the chemistry teacher thing
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We got 100/100!! ;D
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Great, I hope I helped. I can live vicariously thorough your youth and then get grouchy when I want you to go to buisness school and you want to take out all your savings and buy a pair of Diamond earrings for a date with miss Amanda Jones the hottest girl in town.
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uhm...wha?
I think sam or dana would be the ones dating amand jones(If that's even her real name) I on the other hand am taken... wait wha? I think I'm missing a reference...
NO BUISNESS SCHOOL!!!! maybe cooking or art school...
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He's referring to the fantastic eighties movie "Some Kind of Wonderful" where the main character takes out most of his savings, buys a pair of diamond earrings, and wants to give them to Amanda Jones, a popular girl he really likes at his school.
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And lo, it was groovy.
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no
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actually, yes, that movie is pretty much recognized as the best teen movie of the 80s. Though Pretty in Pink had a better soundtrack.
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I'd argue that SE, I beleave more people think the Breakfast Club was the best teen movie from the 80's. Both BC and say anything beat out somthing kind of wonderful on EW's list they did last year.
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eh. BC I can see. BUt Say Anything was too... not teeny.
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Say anything is very popular I think it was #1 on EW's list.
Anyway its more a choice of personal prefrence. Mine is Better Off Dead. "I want my $2!". Ahh such a classic.
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oh, and Say Anything is a great movie. It's just not, 80's teen in the traditional sense for the most part. It's kinda like, as they grew up, teen tastes matured. I think Say Anything (with a few exceptions, like the scene at the gas station) has more of an adult romance feel than most teen movies.
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L-Joe, she's written 42 songs, there all about you, there all about Pain!
J-Yeah, so.
L-So stop messing with her friggin head!