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Departments => Movies and TV => Topic started by: The Holy Saint, Grand High Poobah, Master of Monkeys, Ehlers on July 26, 2004, 10:15:35 AM
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starwars.com is pleased to announce that Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith is the full title of the next Star Wars film, scheduled for release on May 19, 2005.
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/news20040724.html
hey, it's better than Episode 2.21 Send in the Clones.
Still, it's a far cry from the plan 20 years ago to do Ep III: The Fall of the Republic. But the character ideas were very different then. Anyway, rock on. I will be seeing this one opening day, of course. I know the last two were unpopular, but I guess Fandom is enough to carry the day for me and I'll still go.
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The article I read about the title is pretty intresting. Apperently the original title of Return of the Jedi was Revenge of the Jedi, and then changed for varios reasons.
Lucas wanted EP3 to resemble EP6 so he's useing a title that's similar, also the graphics/logo are going to be very similar.
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I actually like this one. The other two titles didn't strike me (though I like 2 better than 1.) This one, however, seems pretty decent.
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So what do you all think will happen in episode III? I have a few predictions:
Darth Sideous and Palpatine will be revealed to be two entirely different people.
Mace Windu will turn traitor and kill many Jedi.
Anakin will think that Obi-Wan is somehow responsible for Padme turning against him, and that will trigger the big fight between them.
Jar Jar will die a very shocking death.
Boba Fett will have his revenge on Mace Windu
Anakin will build the Vader armor by referencing the design of cyborg General Grevious.
Chewbacca will make an appearance.
R2 and 3PO will be mind-wiped.
Any other ideas?
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Do you think they'll actually show the mind wipe? I always assumed it would just happen off stage between movies, but I suppose it could be pretty funny to have an amnesiac 3PO stumbling around. I suspect that R2 won't get mind-wiped at all, but that's just me.
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I agree with Fell about R2.
The Sideous/Palpatine connection is a curious one. I've wondered. Lucas is obviously making it very straightforward that they're the same person, and we know that 'Palpatine' (or someone using his name) ends up as emperor.
My vote is that they remain the same person. Pulling off a twist that makes them different could be amazingly cool, but I don't think that Lucas could pull it off.
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Palpatine is really Mace Windu.
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Palpatine does indeed become emporer, but the guy hiding under the robes of Darth Sidious is not Palpatine, but perhaps a tool used by the soon-to-be emporer.
Remember, we never actually see Darth Sidious doing any force-related stuff.
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It was my understanding, through the books and other likes, that Sidious first trained Darth Maul, but when Maul dies Sidious looks for a new padawan to take his place, and finds Palpatine. Palpatine then gets an emergency dictatorship which he promises to return and takes over the sith, training Vader (Skywalker) to replace him when he dies.
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I thought it was obvious Sidious and Palpatine were the same person from the beginning. ???
http://www.jediknight.net/jkmag/bfp2/0compare1.gif
http://www.theforce.net/episode1/newspics/balcony.jpg
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Well, the same actor does play all three... (Emperor, Sidious, and Palpatine.)
Again, it would take some SERIOUSLY convoluted writing to pull off a twist here. We're talking twin brother/clone type plotting. Could happen. Probably won't. And if it did, it probably wouldn't work very well.
Oh, and:
Anakin will think that Obi-Wan is somehow responsible for Padme turning against him, and that will trigger the big fight between them.
Actually, doesn't she have to bite it in this movie?
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Well you're almost right, in Empire Palpintine was a woman with a males voice dubb.
But ya, the same guy has been in 4 of the 6 movies as the Emperor.
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about the only two on tha tlist I think will happen are 3 (maybe, perhaps holding him responsible for her death) and 7 (they've already said the wookie homeworld -- which I can't spell -- will appear, so it seems natural).
I agree with Fell and EUOL. R2 doesnt' get mindwiped. as cool as Boba is. He's NOT as cool as Mace, and better not win any confrontation. Plus it's only three years later, so he's like, 12 now. Mace will NOT kill Jedi, you sick, sick man. I don't think there's anything to indicate they're different people, and that nothing so inconsistant will appear, as nothing has. Even looking at how Obi-Wan tells Luke news about his father's "death" in ep 4 is consistant with the father being alive later. He hesitates.
ANyway, my take.
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Eh. It seems pretty obvious that the whole politics of ep 1 and 2 are aimed at getting Palpatine supreme control of the senate. Then he just gradually removes the power of everyone but himself, while putting in a 'strictly defensive' army after the clones are removed. It seems rather pointless to have yet another character in there - too many sith running around spoils the ambiance of them.
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I beleave it's been said that Chewbacca will make an apperance in it.
Or at least Peter Mayhew is under the impression he'll be in it.
http://www.killermovies.com/s/starwarsepisodeiii/articles/3238.html
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yes, ENtropy you're right. They always work in pairs.
Though that directly contradicts the whole Dooku thing. Maybe he was acquired very shortly after Maul was killed. And will be disposed of before Anakin comes to the fore.
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Well, remember there was a 10 year gap between Ep 1 and Ep 2. I think it said Dooku went rogue sometime around. 7 - 9 years? I don't know. It says it somewhere in Ep 2. And of course, Anakin will kill Dooku and complete his fall to the dark side. All nice and neat. Seems palpatine likes his affairs to be nice and neat.
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it's all very symbolic. Seems that part of falling to the dark side is killing one of the two Sith that are around. Hence the Emperor's invitation to Luke to "Strike me down"
Though I'm not sure what he gets out of being stricken down. Maybe he has a religious devotion to the dark side and thinks it's time for Vader to replace him. *shrug*. I think we can all safely assume it's NOT because there's a cloned body waiting for his essence like certain non-canonical books would suggest.
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I always thought that Palpatine told Luke to strike him down to see if he could goad the young Jedi into turning to the Dark Side by lashing out in anger. Palpatine, if he is 1/10th the Sith he thought he was, would have been able to stop Luke's attack in a hearbeat if he'd have tried it.
As for my predictions: the new movie is less than 10 months away. Remember what I wrote when you go watch it.
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I desperately hope you're not getting that off a spoiler site, for multiple reasons. Not the least of which is that it will be the worst Star Wars ever (possibly including the Star Wars Christmas Special) if they were all accurate.
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Padme can't die in III because Leia has very clear memories of her mother, and I doubt the children will even be born by the time the movie ends.
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Narratively, I think he HAS to kill her, Fell. That's far to dramatic an opportunity to let get away. Don't you think we have to see the twins getting split up, sent to their separate locations?
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That would require the twins to be born already, and I just don't see how they'll have enough time to show everything they'd need to show. Anakin has to turn evil before Padme gets pregnant, or immediately thereafter, and that's half the show at least. Then if you wait nine months and show the children, it just seems like too much. I suspect that the movie will end with some Jedi's sage pronouncement that Padme is pregnant with twins, and we won't actually see them children at all.
And, as I mentioned, given that Leia has memories of her mother I don't see how Anakin could possibly kill her at all, let alone in the third movie.
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"He" meant Lucas, not Anakin. I don't believe that he'll kill her, but I do think he'll blame Obi-Wan for it. I still think she could die in this movie. Or, at least, we could have a little montage at the end showing the twins eventually going to their separate locations.
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I don't think Anakin will kill Padme. Lucas would never allow that to happen; it would be too irredeemable to allow Anakin to murder his one true love and then become one with the Force in RotJ.
Of course, Anakin just might fall under the mistaken impression that his actions led to Padme's death, when in fact she is still very much alive but spirited away by Obi Wan to have her kids safely away from Anakin.
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Ah. Now that's a clever prediction.
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hrm... if we could do three hours or so, yeah, I can see killing her off on screen. I don't know that he'll do it though. i like the idea of describing what their fates will be.
On the other hand. THree years later. Padme gives birth in or at the end of the first year of marriage. That makes the kids two years old at the beginning of the film. that's old enough for her to have a very vague memory, I think. Esp if she has the influence of the Force. Then Padme can die in the movie.
Just to clear it up, Luke and Leia have NOT been cast. Which means absolutely nothing other than there's no promise the kids will show up.
On the other hand, Aayla Secura and Bariss Ofee *do* appear in ep3. Drooling may commence.
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I had another thought, too. On the Sith in pairs. dooku's still around. Isn't htere a new Sith in the cartoon series? If so, does this troubling situation allow us to count them as canon?
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They don't let her into the Sith. She's self-trained in the force, and they sic her on Anakin--promising that they'll let her join, but they never really intend to.
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I assume then, that they find HER, rather than beign some sith club that she comes to and tries to join, and after some "no gurlz alowed" arguing they ask her to do this with a hazing.
All I really know about it is I saw an action figure. I thought it was male. But you say "she," so i'm either wrong or there were two.
Unfortunately, the DVD of the cartoons isn't out till next spring, so it'll be a while before I see 'em.
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The blue, bald alien with the two lightsabers is indeed female. Her name is Asaj Ventriss. I think she should be Sith because she is way more scary than Christopher Lee. Plus, she hangs out with a 2000 year old bounty hunter. How cool is that?
:)
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well, that's good to know. This just goes to show that the Clone Wars action figures are even more crappy than the normal ones. I just wish they continued like they did at first, and made them look like the other figures instead of trying to copy the cartoon style -- the original Yoda and Anakin from the Clone Wars series looked really cool. The newer figures look really crappy which is why I don't own an Asaj figure.
Anyway, what could be scarier than Christopher Lee? He could bring in his troops of Orc armies!
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Actually there are two flavors of Clone Wars figures. You have the cartoony ones that are based on the well, cartoon. But you also have all the same characters done in the normal realistic style. The cartoon ones are pretty bad, but the realistic ones incude some of the best sculpts yet.
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yes, I believe my previous post said that. The good sculps were done first -- I have the Anakin, Yoda, and Clone Trooper from this line. They aren't in stores anymore (with the possible exception of KB Toys, which has toys that were discontinued years ago). the cartoonish ones still are.
Actually, I looked at the Asaj figure yesterday again. it doesn't look bad, but maybe that's just because there's not an actual actor to compare to, which is why Dooku is the worst of the lot.
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Anyway, what could be scarier than Christopher Lee? He could bring in his troops of Orc armies!
Or Uruk-hai. Or he could turn into a bat and drink Padme's blood. Or he can use the Force with his creepy-Dracula hands.
;D
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That's funny, I feel the opposite way about the Clone Wars figs. I think the "realistic" ones are a bad attempt at cashing in and love the animated ones.
(*Let me just say ther may be some spoiler-ish stuff beyond here, but it's all been released thru Lucas so I don't consider it spoiler*)
As for some of the predictions that have been made...
Chewie is indeed in the movie.
Jar Jar will not die (sad I know!)
Sam Jackson asked to not go out like a punk and he's getting his wish.
Padme is pregnant during the movie.
There have been shots of fake babies.
(*end spoiler-ish stuff*)
the same guy has been in 4 of the 6 movies as the Emperor.
[ubergeek mode on]
This will actually only be true once the dvds come out. A seperate actor was used in Empire Strikes Back and had monkey eyes composited on his face to get the creepy look. The DVD version will have him replaced with the "real" Emperor/Palpatine.
[ubergeek mode off]
I think the kids will be born towards the end or they will at least show them being split up. Luke's line in ESB "something familiar about this place" on Dagobah makes me think he's there when Yoda is dropped off to go into hiding ;)