Abortion is a way to avoid responsibility for mistakes by pretending the mistakes never happened.
Ookla, it's pretty clear here that you are saying that because the parents were irresponsible they should have to have the child, as a way of showing them their mistakes so that they wont make them again. That's exactly what a punishment is.
SE, while it is true that sperm and a fetus are different, I'm trying to get a broad view across. Using birth control does, in the long run, do the same thing as getting an abortion. And by using birth control, you are, in fact, preventing a child from being born, but in a differenent way. I don't see anything wrong with that, and that was my point. And you said...
one has never experienced anything else
Exactly. If it hasn't experienced anything but being in the fetus it isn't going to miss being outside of it. And sure, the fetus is responsive to human contact, of course I understand this. But if you are trying to disprove my comparisson between an unborn child and a plant, that's not going to do it.
THere are numerous studies demonstrating that environmental influences
Plants are extremely responsive to their surroundings as well. But the baby fetus is only responding by trying to survive, and instinct tells it to respond. Plants respond to human contact as well. They respond to their enviroment. They respond to weather changes and the seasons. The respond to internal changes. So while a fetus might be reactive, I hardly think it is as reactive as a born person at the age that it stops developing due to an abortion.
SE, you are also overlooking the fact that an abortion can be done before the fetus forms. An abortion can be done to an embryo, causing it to stop developing. You are acting like it can only happen to a fetus, which I'll grant you is more highly developed than an embryo.
It's very unintelligent to ever use any sort of biblical reference to prove anything
Saying it is unintelligent is insulting a huge fraction of the population.
I'm curious, how is that insulting? I never said that it was unintelligent to believe in the bible, I just said that using it to prove something is not a great move. And you did try to do this with the statement...
That's exactly what Satan's plan was before the world was created, to save us from a life full of pain, strife, and hardship. But that's what life IS. A life with no pain, strife, and hardship isn't much of a life at all!
And, again, I am NOT saying religion is wrong, because that would be a very opinionated statement. However, you can use the bible to "prove" just about anything, Ookla. That's why there are so many fractions off the same ideals. That's why so many religious wars have broken out in history between different God worshipping factions. We aren't even talking about pagans, ect. Just people who believe in the same God, but interpret what he said differently. You can't even necissarily use the bible to prove something religious to someone else using that same book to counter debate. You are hardly going to get far trying to use the bible to prove something else. So, I wasn't insulting your religion or anything, sorry if it came across like that, I was just saying that it's not the greatest move in a debate to turn to religous means, that's all.
No, not all of it is opinion.
Not all of mine is opinion either. All of my stated opinions are based on facts, the opinion is just how I interpret those facts.