Gavilier (spoiler)

[wolverinehokie]

Does anyone know what happened to his shardplate and shardblade?  We know Szeth didn't take it. Dalinar has had his set since he was young, Adolin got his from his mother's side, Elhonkar got his from Dalinar at the beginning of the plains war, so what happened to Gavilier's set?  My guess is Sadeas might have gotten the plate and the blade was given to someone else, but why wasn't it given to Elhonkar?

[Munin]

I don't think we know.

Unless there's some kind of Alethi tradition that says a king is buried with his blade and plate, but I doubt that they'd do that. For one thing, grave robbery would become a nightmare.

[elsyan]

Doubt there is a tradition since Gavilar is the second (third?) king!

This is a good catch as this detail wouldn't have been missed by Brandon...

[peasupplyco]

I thought that Elohkar was using it.

I remember it saying that Dholinar had given him a set to give to whom he deemed worthy, or perhaps I am just confusing that with a different part..

[wolverinehokie]

I'm pretty sure it said he gave it to Elhokar to use, at least that's the way I read the passage.  I'll have to find the quote at a latter date.  I could see Dalinar giving Elhokar a set to use, but not to give to someone else.  Dalinar would want to reward his own lieutenants rather than let Elhokar decide who should get it.  That was even discussed with Renarin when he said he'd give Renarin a set next.

[Erunion]

No, he gave it to Elhokar to give to "whoever he deemed fittest" in all of the warcamps. Elhokar already had his own set, likely from Gavilar. The reference shouldn't be too hard to find, but I don't have my book with me.
I'm quite confident of it, though.

[Galavantes]

Erunion is right, Dalinar specifically said no one would fault him for giving the next shardplate he found to his son because he had already given a set to Elhokar to give out to whomever he deemed fit.

[guy]

No, he gave it to Elhokar to give to "whoever he deemed fittest" in all of the warcamps. Elhokar already had his own set, likely from Gavilar. The reference shouldn't be too hard to find, but I don't have my book with me.
I'm quite confident of it, though.

No I think I recall that Elhokars plate and blade are different from Gavilars, and that Elhokars came from the parshendi, but i dont have the references for that.  which makes me wonder what DID happen to Gavilars shards?

[wolverinehokie]

Description of Elhokar's sword pg 203 hardcover

his Shardblade - Sunraiser - springing from mist into his hand. It was long and thin with a large crossguard, and was etched up the sides with the ten fundamental glyphs.

Description of Gavilar's sword pg 29 hardcover

The newcomer carried a sword as well, an enormous Shardblade six feet long with a design along the blade like burning flames, a weapon of silvery metal that gleamed and almost seemed to glow.

Description of the set Dalinar won pg 281 hardover

He'd given both to Elhokar to award to a warrior he felt would be the most useful to Alethkar and the war effort.

I guess to me the problem with the quote is who "he" is.  I read it as "he" being Dalinar, but I can also see "he" being Elhokar.  As in, Dalinar feels Elhokar is the warrior who is most useful to Alethkar.  Also the different descriptions of the blades makes it seem like they are different blades.  Obviously the glyphs could look like burning flames, but I believe the descriptions being different is intentional. Would Szeth describe glyphs as a "design like burning flames"?  Although the more I reread the quote about the set Dalinar won, the more it does seem like "he" refers to Elhokar so that could answer my question right there.

[wolverinehokie]

One more quote pg 282

"None of the other highprinces give up their spoils to the king," Dalinar said. "And who would fault me if, for once, I made a gift to my son?"

So in response to Galavantes, spoils does not necessarily mean Plate and Blades.

[Munin]

At this point, I don't think we have any idea what happened to Gavilar's blade. Sadeas might have his plate, but I doubt it.

[KhyEllie]

That quote from 281 makes me think that Elhokar still has the extra Blade and Plate. I figure if he'd given them away already the Blade would have been gives to Sadeas.

[peasupplyco]

While it still makes the most sense to me that Gavilar's sword and plate would be used by Elhokar, the baldes really don't sound like they match :/
And Elhokar would have been far older than Adolin when he got his Plate and Blade.

It seems to me that the owner of Gavilar's gear has not been pointed out to us yet.

[Omelethead]

Crazy theory time: If Elhokar's Blade and Plate aren't from Gavilar, then Shallan has Gavilar's Blade. Someone from her father's organisation happened on the king's body, stole his Blade while it sat there, and made off with it. Then the Blade made it's way into Shallan's dad's hands, and then Shallan. Heck, maybe Shallan's dad happened on Gavilar's body.

Dalinar and the rest of the Alethi thought the Assassin in White took the Blade, but didn't have the time to steal the Plate.

Does Elhokar's plate match the description of Gavilar's? It might be that Elhokar got his dad's Plate, but no Blade, and when Dalinar gave him the Parshendi Plate and Blade, Elhokar took the Blade and passed on the Plate (to Sadeas?).

I don't know. I can't remember all the descriptions of the Plate, or if Sadeas had his Plate the whole time.


But Shallan's Blade is Gavilar's. If Elhokar doesn't have it.

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[ryos]

Storm you Omelethead, you beat me to it.