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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2010, 10:50:05 PM »
I think just by thinking of the series, and that we know there are 10 orders of the knights Radiant, that it would not make sence for 2 of the main POV charachters to be of the same order.
so we can reasonably assume that Szeth and Kaladin are in different orders?  the ars arcanum does mention that windrunners used two orders of surgebinding

actually it said:
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The Windrunners were an order of the Knights Radiant, and they made use of two primary types of Surgebinding.
Pretty sure all the Windrunners are of the same Order(1st).  I think the mechanic for using Stormlight differs between Orders.  Jes's Body Focus is "Inhalation" which is how both Szeth and Kaladin absorb Stormlight. 

That said, I don't see how the body focus applies to the bit of Soulcasting we've seen from  Jasnah and Shallan.

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2010, 11:46:15 PM »
Merely guesses, but seems to me that...
Shallan is probably connected to Shalash, number 6 with the focus and essence being blood- she enters Shadesmar first right after she sheds her own blood- and is creative and honest

Jasnah is probably connected to number 5 Palah (as was stated earlier), she has some connection to hair, as she does have the Royal Locks, pure-bred Alethi hair, and is very learned, and we'll probably see her become very giving with her knowledge...

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2010, 05:39:06 PM »
So couldthe two types of surgebindings used by windrunners be just inhaling it and using it to strengthen their bodies, and then exhaling it or somehow using it to do the lashings?

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2010, 06:36:07 PM »
Sorry, I didn't post the whole thing.
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The Windrunners were an order of the Knights Radiant, and they made use of two primary types of Surgebinding. The effects of these Surgebindings were known—colloquially among the members of the order—as the Three Lashings.
The two types are Basic and Full Lashings, and Reverse Lashing is just a specialized version of Basic, it says.

Some of the other Orders might do the inhaling Stormlight trick too, or maybe they can learn it, but they just aren't as good at it as Windrunners.  Lashings/Surgebinding seem to be limited only a few Orders (could it be only Windrunners?)
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“Our own natures destroy us,” the regal man said, voice soft, though his face was angry. “Alakavish was a Surgebinder. He should have known better. And yet, the Nahel bond gave him no more wisdom than a regular man. Alas, not all spren are as discerning as honorspren.”
So, Alakavish was a Surgebinder with a spren, but not an honorspren?  Nohadon's book led to the creation of the Orders of Knights Radiant, which is interesting just by itself.  I've got to wonder if the Almighty or the Heralds somehow affected the book.

I think Dustbringers might be Chach, since its Soulcasting property is Fire.

We're getting a bit far off-topic now though, maybe we should move this to another thread.  There's no lack of Spren/Knights Radiants threads.

On topic:  Do you think it's safe to assume that any Herald in the chapter picture either features in the chapter, or that characters featured in the chapter demonstrate/embody some aspect for which the Herald(s) is/are known?  Or maybe just any Heraldic association that's listed on the chart in the Ars Arcanum?

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2010, 02:34:56 AM »
It is interesting looking at the relationship between the Knights and the WoK book (in the book - this is going to get confusing)

So the 10 orders obviously existed before the book, as they were established by the 10 heralds based on the 10 elements created most likely by the Almighty. But prior to WoK (again in the book) there may have been lacking a proper moral code. They would've had their mottos (though its not certain) that Kaladin spoke near the end of the book. Other than that, they would have no guide, which probably led to a number of problems, hinted at by Nohadon. So he wrote the book as a guide for all rulers, but it was adopted also by the knights radiant.
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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2010, 04:35:13 AM »
I'm willing to bet Elhokar's associated with Zircon/Betab.  Wise/Careful -- we'll eventually see Wise when he starts showing the potential Dalinar's always talking about him having.  But paranoia's about as careful as it gets.

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2010, 02:09:40 PM »
Hi all!  First post here.  I figured I'd post my table that maps each chapter's heralds to attributes (thanks to work in this thread!).  I'm using it to analyze each chapter. 

(sorry for the format it seems I can't post html tables)

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Chapter   Symbol   Herald Name 1   Attribute 1   Attribute 2   Herald Name 2   Attribute 1   Attribute 2
Prologue   Szeth   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
1   Kaladin   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
2   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Vev   Loving   Healing
3   Shallan   Shalash   Creative   Honest   Shalash   Creative   Honest
4   Shallan   Ishar   Pious   Guiding   Ishar   Pious   Guiding
5   Shallan   Palah?   Learned   Giving   Palah?   Learned   Giving
6   Kaladin   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
7   Shallan   Ishar   Pious   Guiding   Ishar   Pious   Guiding
8   Shallan   Palah?   Learned   Giving   Palah?   Learned   Giving
9   Kaladin   Nalan   Just   Confident   Nalan   Just   Confident
10   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Vev   Loving   Healing
11   Kaladin   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
I-1   Almighty   Hoid   ?   ?   Hoid   ?   ?
I-2   Almighty   Kalak/Kelek   Resolute   Builder   Kalak/Kelek   Resolute   Builder
I-3   Szeth   Shalash   Creative   Honest   Shalash   Creative   Honest
12   Dalinar   Hoid   ?   ?   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
13   Dalinar   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Chach?   Brave   Obedient
14   Kaladin   Kalak/Kelek   Resolute   Builder   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
15   Dalinar   Chach?   Brave   Obedient   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
16   Kaladin   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful   Vev   Loving   Healing
17   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
18   Dalinar   Betab?   Wise   Careful   Betab?   Wise   Careful
19   Dalinar   Vev   Loving   Healing   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
20   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Vev   Loving   Healing
21   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
22   Dalinar   Hoid   ?   ?   Kalak/Kelek   Resolute   Builder
23   Kaladin   Ishar   Pious   Guiding   Vev   Loving   Healing
24   Dalinar   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Chach?   Brave   Obedient
25   Kaladin   Betab?   Wise   Careful   Nalan   Just   Confident
26   Dalinar   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
27   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
28   Dalinar   Palah?   Learned   Giving   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
I-4   Almighty   Betab?   Wise   Careful   Betab?   Wise   Careful
I-5   Almighty   Palah?   Learned   Giving   Palah?   Learned   Giving
I-6   Szeth   Nalan   Just   Confident   Nalan   Just   Confident
29   Shallan   Shalash   Creative   Honest   Palah?   Learned   Giving
30   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
31   Kaladin   Chach?   Brave   Obedient   Vev   Loving   Healing
32   Kaladin   Nalan   Just   Confident   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
33   Shallan   Ishar   Pious   Guiding   Palah?   Learned   Giving
34   Kaladin   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Nalan   Just   Confident
35   Kaladin   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
36   Shallan   Vev   Loving   Healing   Palah?   Learned   Giving
37   Kaladin   Palah?   Learned   Giving   Vev   Loving   Healing
38   Kaladin   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Vev   Loving   Healing
39   Shallan   Nalan   Just   Confident   Shalash   Creative   Honest
40   Kaladin   Kalak/Kelek   Resolute   Builder   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
41   Kaladin   Nalan   Just   Confident   Vev   Loving   Healing
42   Shallan   Palah?   Learned   Giving   Ishar   Pious   Guiding
43   Kaladin   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
44   Kaladin   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful   Vev   Loving   Healing
45   Shallan   Shalash   Creative   Honest   Palah?   Learned   Giving
46   Kaladin   Chach?   Brave   Obedient   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
47   Kaladin   Nalan   Just   Confident   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
48   Shallan   Ishar   Pious   Guiding   Ishar   Pious   Guiding
49   Kaladin   Kalak/Kelek   Resolute   Builder   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
50   Shallan   Vev   Loving   Healing   Vev   Loving   Healing
51   Kaladin   Nalan   Just   Confident   Nalan   Just   Confident
I-7   Almighty   Shalash   Creative   Honest   Shalash   Creative   Honest
I-8   Almighty   Palah?   Learned   Giving   Palah?   Learned   Giving
I-9   Szeth   Nalan   Just   Confident   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
52   Dalinar   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
53   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Vev   Loving   Healing
54   Dalinar   Nalan   Just   Confident   Hoid   ?   ?
55   Kaladin   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
56   Dalinar   Chach?   Brave   Obedient   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
57   Kaladin   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Hoid   ?   ?
58   Dalinar   Betab?   Wise   Careful   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
59   Kaladin   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Kalak/Kelek   Resolute   Builder
60   Dalinar   Palah?   Learned   Giving   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
61   Dalinar   Kalak/Kelek   Resolute   Builder   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
62   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
63   Kaladin   Chach?   Brave   Obedient   Kalak/Kelek   Resolute   Builder
64   Dalinar   Betab?   Wise   Careful   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful
65   Dalinar   Nalan   Just   Confident   Chach?   Brave   Obedient
66   Dalinar   Nalan   Just   Confident   Vev   Loving   Healing
67   Kaladin   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
68   Dalinar   Betab?   Wise   Careful   Chach?   Brave   Obedient
69   Dalinar   Nalan   Just   Confident   Shalash   Creative   Honest
70   Shallan   Betab?   Wise   Careful   Shalash   Creative   Honest
71   Szeth   Nalan   Just   Confident   Vev   Loving   Healing
72   Shallan   Palah?   Learned   Giving   Palah?   Learned   Giving
73   Kaladin   Vev   Loving   Healing   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
74   Shallan   Ishar   Pious   Guiding   Palah?   Learned   Giving
75   Dalinar   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading   Jezrien   Protecting   Leading
Epilogue   Almighty   Talenelat   Dependable   Resourceful   Hoid   ?   ?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2010, 02:11:40 PM by elsyan »

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2010, 02:22:51 PM »
Just reading this list makes my head spin. Can anyone see any patterns so far? I think a summary of each chapter will be needed to discern the use of most of the heralds.

At least the use of Hoid is obvious.  :D
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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2010, 02:47:48 PM »
Yup.  I'm working on it.  Really though it'd be great if there were a wiki here to contribute to so we could all analyze it together. 

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2010, 07:31:08 PM »
Yup.  I'm working on it.  Really though it'd be great if there were a wiki here to contribute to so we could all analyze it together. 

Like this? http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/Stormlight_Archive_Wiki

Or we could use Google docs.

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2010, 07:58:13 PM »
It's up on the stormlight archive wiki.  It's a bit big and unwieldy as I merged in some other info I found to speed the analysis but it should work.

http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/Heralds_in_Chapter_Titles

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2010, 12:50:36 PM »
I've finished a first cut of all chapters and highlighted any strange heralds (as compared to the plot of each chapter).  Please take a look and improve!

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2010, 01:02:09 PM »
It looks good. I especially like the idea of a herald being linked some way to the Ghostbloods.
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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2010, 01:58:13 PM »
Also I copied the inside cover to use to identify the symbol/color/picture for each Herald for easier reference and identified soulcasting since that's the one we know must be shared between Jasnah and Shallan.

http://stormlightarchive.wikia.com/wiki/File:Heralds.jpg

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Re: Herald Chapter Pictures--Identities *spoilers*
« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2010, 03:58:34 PM »
Sweet. It's a stretch, but there are also ten countries on the map next to it, vaguely set up like the Heralds on the first map. any connections?