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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #60 on: July 10, 2010, 02:28:43 PM »
Maybe. But maybe it's a really awesome throwaway reference :P

I swear someone once said that WoK was mixed with Liar...
Dragonsteel is mixed with Liar.  Brandon is writing WoK INSTEAD of Liar, which he was originally planning on, but that's about the only connection.

Nonono.  The Shattered Plains were taken from Dragonsteel and used in WoK.  Nothing that I've read in Liar seemed remotely similar to what is in WoK.


The worlds of Roshar and Dragonsteel are independent, but Brandon just stole a concept from one of his books because it worked better in this novel.
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« Reply #61 on: July 10, 2010, 03:47:25 PM »

The worlds of Roshar and Dragonsteel are independent, but Brandon just stole a concept from one of his books because it worked better in this novel.

Classic Brandon cannibalism.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2010, 05:29:05 PM »

The worlds of Roshar and Dragonsteel are independent, but Brandon just stole a concept from one of his books because it worked better in this novel.

Classic Brandon cannibalism.

Indeed, and we love him for it.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2010, 06:54:43 PM »
So far, I have yet to see an idea that he has done this with and told us about that I didn't like.  I bet I'd enjoy it even more if I had read the source stories that he is cannibalizing.
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« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2010, 05:08:40 AM »
So far, I have yet to see an idea that he has done this with and told us about that I didn't like.  I bet I'd enjoy it even more if I had read the source stories that he is cannibalizing.

I'm not so sure about that. . . I actually think knowing how they were in Dragonsteel made them . . . . diminished(?) I'm not sure of the word I should use.  But I think if I hadn't read Dragonsteel they would have been better in some way.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2010, 06:15:26 AM »
I'm the type that enjoys seeing the progression of ideas.  That said, I think seeing their final form first is what would make seeing the earlier versions work for me.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #66 on: July 11, 2010, 11:45:04 PM »
Only found about the idea of the worlds of the different novels being linked a couple of days ago. Just to see if I can summarise correctly:
Addonalasium (sp) shattered long ago, different worlds have different shards from it.
Mistborn world (scaladriel sp) has two of them, ruin and preservation, somehow being controlled by Ati and Laras. (who originated from a different world, they created the other life forms of scaladriel assumably basing them on things from wherether they'd come from)
Warbreaker world has one, Endowment?
Elantris world has some, one, two? not sure

Hoid travels between the worlds.

This isn't very much total....

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2010, 02:03:12 AM »
Only found about the idea of the worlds of the different novels being linked a couple of days ago. Just to see if I can summarise correctly:
Addonalasium (sp) shattered long ago, different worlds have different shards from it.
Mistborn world (scaladriel sp) has two of them, ruin and preservation, somehow being controlled by Ati and Laras. (who originated from a different world, they created the other life forms of scaladriel assumably basing them on things from wherether they'd come from)
Warbreaker world has one, Endowment?
Elantris world has some, one, two? not sure

Hoid travels between the worlds.

This isn't very much total....

The summary looks about right, and you're right about it not being much!
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2010, 03:42:55 AM »
And yet that 'not much' has provided many of us fans endless hours of epic speculation.

That proves that our man Brandon is a genius.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2010, 06:54:33 AM »
what I'm wondering is where I find all the sources for this speculation. I haven't seen very many references to Shards or Addonalsium (sp?!??!?!) in Brandon's work so far...

then again I'm only 4 books in...what am I missing?

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2010, 09:57:41 AM »
5 words here and there, and a few comments Brandon has made.

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2010, 04:06:05 PM »
Wow...In that case I'm going to have to start paying a lot more attention.

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2010, 05:09:21 PM »
what I'm wondering is where I find all the sources for this speculation. I haven't seen very many references to Shards or Addonalsium (sp?!??!?!) in Brandon's work so far...

then again I'm only 4 books in...what am I missing?

Adolnasium is only mentioned by name ONCE in all of Brandon's published works.  And it's misspelled (At least it is in the copy I have, they may have fixed it for later printings?).  It's in one of the Mistborn books.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2010, 06:35:35 PM »
Hoid's backstory is explained in most (published) detail in Warbreaker, after he info-dumped for Siri.

Which isn't saying much.  It's about two sentences tops, but still more than we had before when he just did random character cameos, one of which never actually happened (Vin's visit).
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2010, 08:29:35 PM »
Ahhh that info-dump. Never has dense exposition been delivered with such flair.

Also colors. pretty...

So back in that other thread that Mister Miyagbi started, there's a list of...what, 50 books? 25 of which actually exist?

of which 5 have been published?

it seems like this cosmology is a little hard to get at (let alone speculate on) given that...