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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2010, 07:54:02 AM »
Now so far I've been a mistborn guy only. It sounds like a lot of Brandon's books take place in the same world, or universe. So I oughta read them over again. Now Hoid has appeared in a lot of books, who was he in the Mistborn trilogy? I'm having trouble remembering.

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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2010, 01:11:23 PM »
In Final Empire, Hoid was the fake-blind beggar informant that Kelsier used once.

In Well of Ascension, he was the unnamed guy leading the group of Terris people that Elend meets.

In Hero of Ages, he's the informant that Vin gets spooked about and doesn't meet.

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« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2010, 02:26:57 AM »
Can Hoid change his appearance.  More than just disguises I mean.  I know he grew a white beard for warbreaker, but that's different.  In my head, it's very hard for just anyone to pretend to be a Terrisman and vice versa.  They don't look the same in my head.  So do they actually look more similar than I thought?  Or can Hoid also shape shift?
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« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2010, 03:03:05 AM »
We know so little about him it's hard to tell, isn't it?  I would ask "What do we actually know?" but I believe there is at least one thread already devoted to that, just for Hoid, and another for Adonalsium/The Shards.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2010, 10:01:32 PM »
Can Hoid change his appearance.  More than just disguises I mean.  I know he grew a white beard for warbreaker, but that's different.  In my head, it's very hard for just anyone to pretend to be a Terrisman and vice versa.  They don't look the same in my head.  So do they actually look more similar than I thought?  Or can Hoid also shape shift?

I don't think he can shape shift. I think that he was able to pose as a Terrisman because he had the right clothes. Remember that TLR was able to pass as a nobleman, and not as a Terrisman.

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« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2010, 11:59:47 PM »
That's right.  I suppose the main physical difference is the height and strange proportions , which can only be applied to the Terrismen Eunuchs.  The Lord Ruler however is a Terrisman and not a eunuch, so he might appear normal.
i guess the question is, is Hoid a Steward?
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2010, 01:54:44 PM »
I am dissappointed that Brandon won't tell us why preservation and ruin dropped a corpse when they died. He said he could not in his chapter by chapter notes on his website. I take that to mean he will give it away (in years to come) in his next mistborn series.

I hope it is not one of those "we find out in the last chapter of the last book" thing. I have a hunch why they drop bodies, but I can't get into Brandon's head since he can pick anything he wants.

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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2010, 05:56:19 PM »
Presumably, those are the bodies of Ati and Leras from before they bonded with the shards.  Just like Vin, who apparently had no body when bonded with Preservation, had her body restored and dropped onto the battlefield.
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2010, 06:40:34 PM »
Agree with Link.  I think the only real mystery about the bodies is who they are, not why they dropped.
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2010, 12:24:56 AM »
I agree. I meant to say who the bodies were.

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2010, 05:15:45 PM »
Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans.  I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.

That might be difficult if relativity holds in Sanderson's cosmology.

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2010, 07:04:49 PM »
Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans.  I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.

That might be difficult if relativity holds in Sanderson's cosmology.

Even if it did, wouldn't the story have a chronology from the perspective of Hoid, the Shards, and any other forces involved?
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2010, 07:21:52 PM »
Something I'm hoping to see, eventually (and perhaps even sooner than later), is a timeline placing Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker, and The Stormlight Archive chronologically for us fans.  I imagine the Master will make us wait until he's revealed more about the events surrounding the Shattering and Hoid's plot, but it never hurts to dream.

That might be difficult if relativity holds in Sanderson's cosmology.

Even if it did, wouldn't the story have a chronology from the perspective of Hoid, the Shards, and any other forces involved?

Yes, but those chronologies might have the same things happening in different orders.  If Hoid is getting around FTL and relativity holds, then time travel gets thrown in the mix as well.  Time gets funky on Galactic scales, and Vin could have been in an entirely different galaxy than Lightsong for all we know.

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« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2010, 07:49:38 PM »
I sure hope we don't have to wait that long... but we probably will :(
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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2010, 07:52:09 PM »
Actually, I just thought of something... I'm not sure if anyone else has read the core Dragonlance novels, but Hoid reminds me of Fizbain in those.  Fizbain is, as others may know, Paladine, a God, in disguise.  What if Hoid is smiliar, a shard in "disguise" or something like that... I know it sounds a little out there, but every time I think of Hoid, I immediately think of Fizbain.
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