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"Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« on: June 03, 2010, 11:17:40 PM »
Okay, so I finished Hero of Ages today, and it was just as amazing as I hoped it would be.  Every question I wanted to be answered, was answered.  The only thing I really am not sure about, is at the very end, when Sazed sees Vin body land beside Elend, and then the other body which Sazed only described as "a man with red hair".  This description just seems too specific for me, and I've searched these forums hoping to find an answer, but have not found one yet, so I started my own thread.

So, is there an official answer to my question?  Or is there a widely believed speculation?  I just feel that because Preservation had a "champion" of sorts in Vin, that perhaps Ruin also obtained a champion..  I vaguely remember in an earlier book a red-headed person being mentioned.. but it is such a vague memory, that I wouldn't even be able to tell which book it is from.

Any help would be appreciated :D
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2010, 11:25:43 PM »
Hmmm... If you pay attention in Way of Kings, you might learn his name.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2010, 11:43:08 PM »
Thank you for the comment!  I eagerly await the first installment in his new series :D

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2010, 12:50:59 AM »
Hmmm... If you pay attention in Way of Kings, you might learn his name.


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Way to make me even more freaking excited about WoK there Peter.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 01:44:08 AM »
Hmmm... If you pay attention in Way of Kings, you might learn his name.


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Way to make me even more freaking excited about WoK there Peter.

Thats what I was thinking....  August can't come soon enough :p
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2010, 03:30:24 AM »
Hmmm... If you pay attention in Way of Kings, you might learn his name.
I though it was Ati.  ???

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2010, 03:44:38 AM »
Nah, that's Ruin.  The red head is preservation.  Also, the scene you're refering to where a red haired person appears before then is in HoA.  I don't remember the exact situation of the scene, but it's in there.
"The custom of royalty in referring to oneself is to naturally employ the royal 'we'.  We are very happy, we are very sad, we are bored and suffer from ennui.  For a royal prince there's no such word as 'me', It's always 'we'.  So rightfully I should be two or three, don't you agree?"

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2010, 04:18:09 AM »
Nah, that's Ruin.  The red head is preservation.  Also, the scene you're refering to where a red haired person appears before then is in HoA.  I don't remember the exact situation of the scene, but it's in there.

I thought it was in HoA also.. I'll have to go take a look because its going to bug me endlessly until I do.  And I was under the impression that Vin represented Preservation at the end, and that the red headed guy represented Ruin..  Although, that brings us to the question of who's body was it that fell into the Ash when Elend was confronted by the fading Mist Spirit, it represented Preservation, but Brandon wouldn't have even mentioned it, or described it so thoroughly if the body itself wasn't important...
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2010, 04:21:51 AM »
That's the scene!  The body that falls into the ash is the red haired guy, who is also Pres.  Unless I'm getting my information completely wrong (which is possible since it's been -- what?  two years since the book came out?)
"The custom of royalty in referring to oneself is to naturally employ the royal 'we'.  We are very happy, we are very sad, we are bored and suffer from ennui.  For a royal prince there's no such word as 'me', It's always 'we'.  So rightfully I should be two or three, don't you agree?"

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2010, 04:25:06 AM »
No, the red head is Ati. Short of stature, black hair and prominent nose is Leras.

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2010, 04:41:35 AM »
Well, thanks to google books, it appears that there isn't another instance where someone with red hair is mentioned...  Even though I swear I read it before the very end.

Still, this almost makes it seem more important.  Someone like this would definitely stand out, as there is no mention of a single other person possessing red hair in any of the three books.  The closest I found was Beldre, who possesses auburn hair, but obviously it wasn't her, because she appears with Spook after Sazed fixes the world.

I guess I really will just have to wait for Way of Kings :(

EDIT: Dumb typos.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2010, 04:53:57 AM »
The bodies of Ruin and Preservation were of people from a long time ago I think... and most likely from another world... most likely the way of kings world.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2010, 05:23:43 AM »
Sorry guys, I may have had a brain fart. My comment may be meaningless.
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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2010, 05:37:24 AM »
Sorry guys, I may have had a brain fart. My comment may be meaningless.
May have had a brain fart... May be meaningless...

Or maybe he DIDN'T have a brain fart and his comment ISN'T meaningless!

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Re: "Death" of Ruin and Preservation
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2010, 05:52:46 AM »
Sorry guys, I may have had a brain fart. My comment may be meaningless.


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