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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2009, 02:58:29 AM »
I...would bet against that one. :)
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2009, 03:22:48 AM »
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2009, 03:54:14 AM »
Yeah, I've seen the dictionaries before. The problem is that it's just not developed enough to use as an everyday language (unlike Klingon). I wouldn't bet against fans teaching their kids a few Old Tongue words, but I would bet against actual fluency.

Karen and I use a few random Russian and Japanese and Esperanto words around the house, but we're not trying to teach our daughter the languages at this time.
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2009, 04:38:05 AM »
Never underestimate the tenacity of the geek. :)
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2009, 05:29:39 AM »
I'm a geek, so I don't. I'm just being pragmatic.
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2009, 05:30:53 AM »
I don't think we know enough words in the old tongue for us to teach it to anybody.
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2009, 08:18:02 AM »
Also, Renoard, you really need to keep this in mind:

Mark Okrand (inventor of Klingon) is a professional linguist.  Robert Jordan was nearly as far from that as one can get(his naming choices were horrendous).
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2009, 08:47:58 AM »
Quote from: The Jade Knight on April 30, 2009, 08:18:02 AM
Also, Renoard, you really need to keep this in mind:

Mark Okrand (inventor of Klingon) is a professional linguist.  Robert Jordan was nearly as far from that as one can get(his naming choices were horrendous).

You know, I've never seen anyone talk about how a lot of Robert Jordan's names were just play on named from Celtic Mythology. I'd be interested if there are any pages out there talking about it.

I can't remember them all right now, I can only remember the obvious ones:

Aes Sedai = Aes Sidhe
Rand Al'Thor = Tamlin al'Thor
Tuatha'an = Tuatha De Danann
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2009, 09:01:11 AM »
Well, and look at his stupid Trolloc tribe names.  Pathetic!  Even the word "Trolloc" itself is sad.
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2009, 10:26:22 AM »
No, I am well aware that Rigney was no linguist and wasn't even trying to create a coherent language.  Not only Okrand, but Tolkien was a linguist as well.  But that hasn't stopped motivated people from trying to force order and reason onto the Old Tongue.  He included just enough to tantalize that sort of imagination and people are trying to "finish" the work.

I've notice a couple of places where he likely borrowed from the Tsalagi terms that had crept into the Carolina patois he grew up with.  So no doubt it's a mixed bag. ;P

A-es Se-da-wee (a tough nutshell) a tough nut to crack or a problem.  Boy aren't they?
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2009, 11:33:04 AM »
Tolkien was technically a Philologist.  You could call him a Linguist, but he was not a professor of Linguistics, per se.  It's a supremely small difference, and as a Philologist, Tolkien would have been more than well equipped to deal with language creation… but anyway.

I used to conlang a bit.  Good stuff.
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2009, 06:47:38 PM »
Jade explain the difference i'm not familar with that occupation...
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2009, 08:23:45 PM »
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2009, 10:17:12 PM »
It plays a part in the divinities as well.
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Re: Teaching racism
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2009, 06:05:49 AM »
Quote from: miyabi on April 29, 2009, 07:48:11 AM
It's like, if you think (Pardon the language) "That nigger" but instead you say "Ugh, I can't believe he did that" . . . does it make you any better of a person just because you didn't say it?  If you thought it, that means you believe it whether you said it or not.  (For the record, I'm not a fan of "political correctness"  A rose by any other name.)

I would say yes, it's showing restraint for starters, just because you know the word and how it can be applied doesn't mean you believe it. It's much like getting angry at someone and wanting to hit them but restraining yourself and not doing it.
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