Sex and sexuality in the Mistborn series...missing?

[muboop]

Most of the time I have been addressing the post as a whole....leaving out the irrelevant bits, but to everything that matters....

And I'm not sure what you want me to address. The death-birth relation? Or something in the second post? It sounds like it's something in the second post, but I can't find anything other than what I already mentioned--about Vin and Elend.

ah it doesn't matter, nothing is being solved or changed by this thread!

[imflyer20]

Hmm. I don't think I should've mentioned "can of worms" earlier.

[quote ] muboop

regardless, appreciate if you do not refer to only one country? just because it makes things to specific! I'm going for general things(for future referance of course)
 

Thanks for saying that. We must be careful when using statistics to back up our statements. I've dealt with enough statistics to know that they can be skewed to support any statement. When Pizza Hut announced their statistic that they had "America's favorite crust", wow. Really? I'll eat Godfathers before Pizza Hut any day, if given the choice, so I laughed and didn't give that statistic much thought, as I do most others now. Education is great, isn't it?

This same data about birthrates could be contributed to post-war prosperity as well. More people could afford to support families so family numbers increased. There's also the era of sexual freedom that later evolved into the "free-love" movement. I noticed in these charts that birthrates REALLY went up after 1950, years after WWII was over. Also, we never had Japanese/German armies surrounding or marching through our country. Propaganda, yes, but no sight of armies or navies surrounding our seas and shores, unlike Luthedel. Did birthrates increase as dramatically in Europe as the states did before and during the war? I want to see what the birthrate was in European nations during this time to see if there's a difference.

But enough of this idle speculation. Mistborn is still a great story and I'd LOVE to see a film adapted from it. Wouldn't we all?

[ryanjm]

Some of this thread reminds me of this, and I'm guilty of it too:


It's just so hard to stop yourself, especially when there's nothing productive to come of it.  And I have one weird quirk in that I do not get offended by much of anything, so my barometer is sometimes off when trying to judge if what I say would offend another.

[Shaggy]

Haha that is all too true.

Daigima, I think the only way we would ALL love to see Mistborn become a movie is it it followed the storyline pretty strictly and the actos were believable…if they make it like they made the Harry Potter's I might not go see it (that's a lie, but still).

[imflyer20]

True Shaggy

I say wait ten years, build a fan base, and then go for it. Of course, the optioning process has already begun. I know someone's made an offer for the rights, but Brandon turned them down because they wanted to make it a miniseries. No. NO NO NO NO. Absolutely not

[Shaggy]

Yeah that would suck.

[Natalie Perkins]

It was a trilogy and the books were long enough already. There wasn't really a place for it, ya know?
In the first book when Vin was pretending to be a noblewoman and only saw Elend at brief intervals?
In the second where the city was constantly under seige and Vin constantly out and about protecting Elend?
In the third when... things were just about as busy for her as the third?

Allraine and Breeze had sex.
there's one for you.
Sazed felt he wasn't man enough because he couldn't.
Both Spook and Elend felt uncomfortable when Vin was wearing only her shift in the first book.

So the sexual stuff is there, you just have to read between the lines.

[Shaggy]

In the second book…isn't there a scene where Elend and Vin (and Spook) run away from the city and they're in their tent, and Vin is top-less (at least) and they kiss and stuff and Elend wants to do something else but Vin doesn't…I don't know something like that.

[little wilson]

In the second book…isn't there a scene where Elend and Vin (and Spook) run away from the city and they're in their tent, and Vin is top-less (at least) and they kiss and stuff and Elend wants to do something else but Vin doesn't…I don't know something like that.

Yes, there is, and since you mentioned it, I just read that part over again, and it is strewn with sexual innuendos. No, it doesn't come right out and say anything blatantly, but it's exactly like Natalie said--reading between the lines, it's there. And in that particular section, you don't even have to read very much between the lines, because....well. It's obvious enough.

I mean, here's a few quotes:

Elend Venture awoke on the third day out of Luthadel, surprised at how rested he could feel after a night spent in a tent out in the wilderness. Of course, part of that might have been the company.

Well of Ascension, pg 629 (US Paperback)

Then later, when Vin wakes up.

"You're a bad influence on me."
"Oh?" he asked, smiling as he rested on one arm.
Vin nodded, running a hand through her hair. "You're making me get used to sleeping at night," she said. "Plus, I don't sleep in my clothing anymore."
"If you did, it would make things a little awkward."

Well of Ascension, pg 630 (US Paperback)

And then, after that there's the part Shaggy's referring to, where Elend tries to pull her down after she's dressed and is about to leave the tent.....

I've already said it, but I personally think that the sexuality that is currently in the books is a perfect amount. It's there, but it's just enough that it doesn't detract from the plot, and that's good. Plot-detracting sexuality isn't that kind of sexuality that I care to read about...

[Shaggy]

I agree. And that scene is so quick, and so…poluted (?)…with Vin's thoughts about the Well of Ascension and the mist spirit and death and everything that the focus is obviously not on the sex…I like it.

[Shard]

Some of this thread reminds me of this, and I'm guilty of it too:


It's just so hard to stop yourself, especially when there's nothing productive to come of it.  And I have one weird quirk in that I do not get offended by much of anything, so my barometer is sometimes off when trying to judge if what I say would offend another.

Ryanjim That is the best webcomic EVER! That just made my night.

I really like this topic because I also noticed a lack of the sexuality and I really don't mean sexual actions as I have seen posted in this thread. This doesn't mean I think it's error nor even soley based on Brandon's religious beliefs as Sazed is I think proof otherwise. It's just I am used to many fantasy Authors Jordan, GRRM, and Goodkind having it to some degree. I think Jordan's is the best out of those three as usually you do fade out and it's the next day or whatever. I think the way Brandon used it just goes to show it isn't needed to be shown on page as much as some do it.

I think some are forgetting that the characters Elend and Vin really do have a background to be reticent about sex. Vin having major trust issues and Elend being traumatized about his first time, so I can see them not wanting to rush it. I think Vin and Elend are also just people who aren't as into sex as some others are, like Breeze. I think there are authors who go over board with it and you wonder if your reading a story or a porn. Don't get me wrong I think Sex is great as well but like with anything you can have too much. These two characters just don't obsess over it is all.

I really don't know how or if it will really effect aMoL at all but it will be interesting to see. I guess the oddness is that I found more sexual tension in a Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione kisses in Deathly Hallows then I did in most of Vin/Elend's kisses. *shrug*