A Memory of Light

[Rrikor]

And LTT sure hasn't forgotten how to channel.  We can see that the few times that he takes control of the power before Rand can stop him.

[Shaggy]

And LTT sure hasn't forgotten how to channel.  We can see that the few times that he takes control of the power before Rand can stop him.

How is this relevant?

[SarahG]

Well, if he remembers how to channel, he probably remembers what saidin felt like when it was clean, and he knows the difference between that and the tainted version.  It seems to me that his testimony is fairly reliable.

[Shaggy]

I wouldn't base my thoughts and decisions on what a madman thinks–to me, it's just not logical.

[Peter Ahlstrom]

Madmen are not completely irrational. It's not logical to discount everything they say, but you have to exercise judgment in the areas where you know they are mad.

[Shaggy]

If a person is mad in certain areas, I'd be pretty careful basing anything on what they say, even if it's not in those particular *areas.*

[Peter Ahlstrom]

Being careful and a blanket decision to ignore everything they say are different things. Also, everyone is irrational about one thing or another.

[Patriotic Kaz]

*Applause* Ookla is completely right on humanity... we are a bunch of irrational teenagers who never really grow up we mask it with, as W. says, edumacationism. Anyway LTT is sometimes surprisingly sane... and i think his madness is a way to escape the guilt of killing his wife.

[Peter Ahlstrom]

Well, his madness caused him to kill his wife, so it can't entirely be that.

[melbatoast]

Well, he could actually be less mad now than when he killed his wife. In the prologue to TEoTW, Ishmael heals him so he can understand what he's done. I don't know how that works with him dying and everything. In any case, I think saidin is probably clean now, and Lews Therin seems to be fairly reliable about most power-related things.

[Reaves]

I'm sorry but I don't actually remember what LTT said about saidin after it was cleansed. Can someone provide a quote or summary?

[Ferrin]

REALLY late to this discussion and not sure if my theory is someone elses or not (read upto page 8 before posting this).

Rand is meant to live and too die, Logain gains glory by walking over Rand's body, three women are crying over Rand's body and the Seanchen women who's name slips my mind is to help Rand die.

My theory is this.

Mazrim Taim confronts Rand and the Seanchen women, he attacks the Seanchen women and Rand cannot grasp Saidin, he dies because he can't have another women dead because of him. Logain proceeds to fight Taim, Aviendha, Elayne and Min are all crying over Rand's dead body during this time.

Logain eventually uses balefire and kills Taim thus resurrecting Rand though minus LTT. That would explain in my mind how all of Min's viewings happen. Just occurred to me reading this thread, and it wouldn't really surprise me to see something along those lines occur. As Rand dies and lives, Logain gains glory, the Seanchen women helps Rand die, and the three women over Rand's body all happen.

[Peter Ahlstrom]

Well, he could actually be less mad now than when he killed his wife. In the prologue to TEoTW, Ishmael heals him so he can understand what he's done.

Arr, you're right. There's so much WoT stuff I've forgotten.

[Comfortable Madness]

REALLY late to this discussion and not sure if my theory is someone elses or not (read upto page 8 before posting this).

Rand is meant to live and too die, Logain gains glory by walking over Rand's body, three women are crying over Rand's body and the Seanchen women who's name slips my mind is to help Rand die.

My theory is this.

Mazrim Taim confronts Rand and the Seanchen women, he attacks the Seanchen women and Rand cannot grasp Saidin, he dies because he can't have another women dead because of him. Logain proceeds to fight Taim, Aviendha, Elayne and Min are all crying over Rand's dead body during this time.

Logain eventually uses balefire and kills Taim thus resurrecting Rand though minus LTT. That would explain in my mind how all of Min's viewings happen. Just occurred to me reading this thread, and it wouldn't really surprise me to see something along those lines occur. As Rand dies and lives, Logain gains glory, the Seanchen women helps Rand die, and the three women over Rand's body all happen.

Good theory. It makes sense that balefire would be used. It definately would fit with the cryptic, "to live, you must die", answer the Finn gave Rand. I also went and did some more digging on this and found a passage in LoC where Nicola has a viewing and it may point to Rand dying but yet still is alive in the end:

"The lion sword, the dedicated spear, she who sees beyond. Three on the boat, and he who is dead yet lives. The great battle done, but the world not done with battle...."

It also fits with the three women crying over Rand.

The lion sword- Elayne
dedicated spear- Aviendha
she who sees beyond- Min

[Patriotic Kaz]

I hate to be mister gloom and doom, but Rand's living could merely be his life given up for his cause, or more likely his bloodline continuing...I personally think he will somehow come back... but there still is the posibility of him not.