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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2003, 03:48:32 PM »
I never said they didn't use symbolism, not once Eric or Fell, I said that people try to find symbolism in everything. There is a huge difference. And I have seen plenty of students with something to contribute smacked down because someone had a theory or an idea about a book that differed than what the person teaching the class said.  In fact it was only when I went to RC that I had teachers who really encouraged me to think about books in lots of different ways. Fran and Murry Arndt are perfect examples.

Going back to the rock again, its not that I refuse to see its color as a potential symbol, its that I refuse to be told that that is the only reason it is Red. As if nature and aestetics don't play into it at all.  Have you ever seen the Annotated Great Gatsby? They had access to Fitzgeralds research and notebooks for Gatsby. It made a huge difference in my liking the book because I realized that many of the things he wrote about in that novel were not merely allegory. These people places and things weren't ephermal but real, or at least real adaptations in the novel. It certainly brought meaning to the symbolism that the teachers droned on about.  I guess its not the symbolism that I hate so much as the lack of evidence given to support it.
I did get told to shut up about Lord of the Flies, because we wern't doing anything with it. Our teachers method of teaching was talking about how she though the book was for an hour. Geez Eric she thought that because they were rescued by a rocket ship from the British Navy that it was kind of a science fiction book too. The rock may have been red because of violent intent, or it could have been piggys blood, or a ferrous piece of ejecta from a volcano. But to be told to shut up because I had an opinion that differed was much more ignorent than having an opinion in the first place.

I don't think that the label of over analyzing teachers is untrue. I think it has a lot more to do with how teachers are taught to teach and what they expect form their students.
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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2003, 03:54:22 PM »
btw, we're arguing with ElJeffe, not Slant, fell.

And again I agree! (one more today and you win a prize!) But while I wholeheartedly agree with what I've been saying, and looking at it objectively as I can I still concur, I have to point out that Fell studied English (which involves literary study) and I studied Comparative Literature (which is nothing else) in college, that might color our statements.

However, that doesn't change how right we are  :D

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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2003, 04:06:36 PM »
Or does it? I have just discovered that Eric has been possessed by an evil spirit. by the ancient laws of the commonwealth of Virginia he has a choice, confess to being a witch (and suffer a hanging) deny his evil and be drowned or stay silent and be pressed down by stones!!! What say ye! Go ye the Giles Cory route?
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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2003, 04:09:11 PM »
I'm going to go with the hanging bit. Since I have magical witch powers, I should be able to survive it.

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« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2003, 04:10:09 PM »
too bad its hanging over a pit of flame!!!! ;D
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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2003, 04:13:13 PM »
I'm in league of the Lord of Fire and Brimstone, and you think *that* is going to hurt me?

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« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2003, 04:15:36 PM »
Ummm, its holy cleansing flame made by Boy Scouts (and we all know they are pure as the driven snow)
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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2003, 04:18:34 PM »
Feh . Boyscouts. I eat them for snacks while talking to customers.

Oh wait, no, that's "gold fish"

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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2003, 04:19:47 PM »
So why are you so high and might today? Is it just that its Thursday?
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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2003, 04:24:33 PM »
I'm not high and mighty, I just think you're wrong.  ;D

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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2003, 04:26:27 PM »
Well and I think your wrong....
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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2003, 05:28:01 PM »
Hey, if anyone's burning Saint I want to be involved, even if only at the concession level.
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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2003, 05:30:58 PM »
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Hey, if anyone's burning Saint I want to be involved, even if only at the concession level.


Ah. Will you look at that? Fellfrosch loves SE like a brother. He has expressed similar sentiments about HoM in the past. What a good Christian he is.
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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2003, 05:36:53 PM »
Hey, Christianity is all about burning people at the stake--in fact, if you include both the Roman Empire and Puritan witch hunts, Christians are involved with both sides of the stake.

After all, what do you think a stake fireside is?

(Apologies to non-Mormons, who won't get the joke).
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Re: Suggestions needed--Mutant books
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2003, 06:10:56 PM »
Now look, this is MY execution, and while I'm flattered at all the attention, I'd like to make it a private affair between me and a few close friends.

Oh, and my apparently unholy master.