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EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« on: December 04, 2003, 08:51:26 PM »
So I got a book of short stories by D. H. Lawrence out of the library, after covering him in my lit class and being somewhat impressed by what I read.

I don't know, though.  His stories are very interesting, but obviously the work of a disturbed mind.  90% of them are about women who are dissatisfied with their relationship, or don't want to HAVE a relationship.  I was eerily reminded of EUOL's penchant for having his female characters avoid marriage at all costs.  

So the bottom line is, nobody fashion your female characters after D.H. Lawrence, except for EUOL, who can perhaps pick up some pointers.

Actually his insight into the female mind isn't THAT bad- Lawrence has a rather disturbing ability to depict the irrational behavior of women, and from their point of view as well.
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2003, 02:19:02 AM »
Now, I would like to point out that I have been miss-represented.  While I have a penchant for characters who avoid marriage, I have some (not as many, I admit) who look forward to it.  Let's look at viewpoint characters in my current novel:

Jasnah:  Female.  Doesn't want to get married.
Taln: Male.  Doesn't want to get married.
Shinri: Female.  Eager to get married, and engaged.
Merin: Male.  Never really thought about it (only 17) but not really opposed to it.
Jek: Male.  Neutral.
Dalenar: Male.  Has been married twice, and is currently married.  Wanted to the first time, was forced into it the second time.  

So, while I wouldn't argue that I tend to have a lot of characters who (perhaps) share my philosophy, I try to represent the other side as well.
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2003, 02:24:58 AM »
Yes, not to mention Elantris where the male and female protagonists want to get married to each other, but have troubles- as you pointed out on Tues.

I guess I just thought of you because you do try so hard to get the women "right" in your stories and Lawrence does such a good job of showing the specifics of disturbed women who don't want to be/get married.
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2003, 03:26:23 AM »
Now, occasionally, I do slip in a Shuden.... (that being the character in Elantris who was very anti-marriage.)

Of course, Shuden eventually fell hopelessly in love and got married.  Wonder what that has any implications.
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2003, 12:41:46 PM »
I have a quote:

Admiring Female Fan: "How do you write women so well?"

Author: "Easy. I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2003, 12:47:30 PM »
As Good As it Gets.  Fantastic movie.
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2003, 01:21:17 PM »
*chuckles*

Like I've  never heard that one from this group before...
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2003, 03:06:27 PM »
Voice of contrast: I hated that movie, thought it was one of the most annoying movies I've ever seen.
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2003, 03:08:06 PM »
I prefer this quote: "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."

Also over-quoted, but every time I hear that line from As Good as It Gets, U2 starts playing in my head for some reason.
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2003, 03:23:24 PM »
I shouldn't have changed my sig quote.  If we didn't have men, Stacer, we wouldn't have any reason to be irrational.
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2003, 04:23:42 PM »
Your quote is really funny though.

You probably didn't enjoy it more because you don't like movies that involve mental illness, stacer. And I've met women like the one's Jack Nicoholson's (sp?) character Melvin describes. I've also met men like fuzzy's last quote.

Which of D. H. Lawrence's stories/novels do you recommend?
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2003, 04:44:58 PM »
Hmm, well I think I was most impressed with "The Horse-Dealer's Daughter", "Sun" and "Two Blue Birds"
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2003, 07:35:15 PM »
Quote
Now, I would like to point out that I have been miss-represented.


No pun intended, I'm sure.

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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2003, 08:13:49 PM »
hehehe
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Re: EUOL, D.H. Lawrence, and women
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2003, 08:43:04 PM »
"A Woman needs a man like a fish needs a bycycle"

I remember reading something by Micheal Leunig that I can't remember exactly, but basically said that :

Fish live in the sea, and die if it becomes polluted.
Driving cars makes the sea polluted, and causes all the fish to die.
Riding a bycyle instead of a car will save the fish.
A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bycycle.

It made quite a good point, actually.
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