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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Countdown
« on: October 08, 2008, 06:53:42 PM »
I have nothing to say against it. :) The world being held frozen, perhaps just a bit before it's all supposed to end because of the deepness.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: October 08, 2008, 06:38:26 PM »
"Every Little bit helps." As they say. "They" being the Sheriff of Nottingham in Disney's animated Robin Hood.

So, these are the ones I think are the most suspicious:

Chapter 3
In her mind, she thought she heard a voice whispering to her. Reen's voice. Fool! Ruthlessness—it's the most logical of emotions. You don't have any friends in the underworld. You'll never have any friends in the underworld!

Chapter 4
If you let someone get close to you, it will only hurt more when they betray you, Reen seemed to whisper in her mind.

Chapter 7
Vin almost smiled back. Reen's training came to her rescue. The man who wants you to trust him is the one you must fear the most. Her brother's voice almost seemed to whisper in her head. It had grown stronger since she'd met Kelsier, as if her instincts were on edge.

Chapter 8
Vin took a seat in one of the stiffly upholstered maroon chairs, tucking her feet up beneath her. She knew what the problem was. Kelsier had been showing her too much respect, making her feel too important. She was beginning to think that she deserved to be part of his secret confidences. Reen's laughter in the back of her mind discredited those thoughts, and she sat, annoyed at both herself and Kelsier, feeling ashamed, but not exactly certain why.

Chapter 16
They're fools, Reen's voice whispered. This entire plan will end in disaster—and your death will be your own fault for not leaving when you could.

Chapter 20
Is that a good enough reason to let them get you killed? Reen's voice asked.

Chapter 30
However, a voice from within—a voice she had nearly forgotten—began to speak. Of course he left you, Reen whispered. Of course he abandoned you. Everyone will betray you, Vin. What did I teach you?

I never came back for you, Reen whispered. He won't either. The voice felt so real—it was almost like she could hear him beside her.

Chapter 31
You should just be angry at yourself, Reen's voice whispered. You're the one who let them get close. Now they're all just going to leave you.

Chapter 34
Then he towed her away. Vin continued to struggle weakly, but she was growing numb. In the back of her mind, she heard Reen's voice.

See. I told you he would leave you. I warned you.

I promised you. . . .

Epilogue
A whispered voice came from the back of her mind, speaking in Reen's voice. Go back.

I find it interesting that after all the mistrust Reen's voice seemed to be creating, he still says go back at the end. It's actually a lot like the Mist Spirit; driving and antagonizing and attacking and finally stabbing Elend at the end, only to teach her how to save him afterwards... Suspicious.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: October 08, 2008, 07:53:09 AM »
Only four, really; Chapter 1, Chapter 2, and the 2nd ones in Chapters 3 and 4. The others all seem to be Reen speaking in her head and not just memories. At least, they could be.

The list I compiled is just everything he said in the book. Everything. I also included the bit where she heard him laughing in her mind because I thought it fit with everything else.

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Music / Re: Saturday Morning Cartoon's Greatest Hits
« on: October 07, 2008, 04:48:46 PM »
The theme from the Tick cartoon would be awesome.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Prophecy in Mistborn?
« on: October 07, 2008, 06:30:00 AM »
Prophecies are generally made by someone, like a "prophet." In this case, there was a time after the ascension before the Final Empire was in place, and someone who knew of TLR's origins, and yet also knew about allomancy, could have told someone (who was really a Kandra) about the metal, and how it revealed TLR's heritage, which would be the clue to how you defeat him. And this would make sense to them at that time because this was before knowledge of Feruchemy, Allomancy, and History were blotted out. And thus the legend could have started.

Do the Kandra have a written language? or is everything passed on by word of mouth?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Countdown
« on: October 07, 2008, 06:20:39 AM »
That makes some sense; if holding the power lets you know what it can do without telling you the best way to do it, that's quite possibly what happened. I think that could be an argument for Ruin being the power that TLR touched. Things have been changed in a way that, while they still work, they're wrong. Like Koloss, no Flowers, Ashmounts, etc.

However, I believe that the Lord Ruler sort of froze the world in time (see my last page, or the MB1 Prologue Part Two annotation), and that seems awfully more like Preservation to me.

Oh yeah, it's still an option, I just thought I'd present another idea.
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Are we still theorizing?  How would everybody respond to the theory that Kandra and Koloss were humans that the Lord Ruler changed to use as his spies and soldiers?  Evidence for this would be

1) the koloss think they are human
2) they have natural reactions and emotions that have been muted but not completely destroyed
3) their basic biology must have come from somewhere; the changes in the world seem to have been generally for the worse, and it is difficult to imagine that TLR somewhere got the knowledge to create things ab inito and produced something functional yet so fundamentally wrong

That seems much more likely to me. I don't know if you have the "why" part of that equation down. Kandra are still very mysterious. I'm not sure why the Lord Ruler would create them, only to have the ancient Mistborn hunt them down.

Maybe because they proved too incontrollable as a race, like you could only control one at a time. Or maybe the Mistborn hunted them down on their own...

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: October 07, 2008, 06:15:56 AM »
Alright, long post. With the html copy of Final Empire so nicely offered from Tor, here is the list of everything Reen says in Vin's head, along with what chapter it occurred in. Of course, I don't have page numbers, because it's html, but there you go.

Chapter 1
And Vin liked solitude. When you're alone, no one can betray you. Reen's words. Her brother had taught her so many things, then had reinforced them by doing what he'd always promised he would—by betraying her himself. It's the only way you'll learn. Anyone will betray you, Vin. Anyone.

Chapter 2
You think some crewleader is going to want a liability like you on his team? he had said. I don't even want to have to work with you, and I'm your brother.

Chapter 3
In her mind, she thought she heard a voice whispering to her. Reen's voice. Fool! Ruthlessness—it's the most logical of emotions. You don't have any friends in the underworld. You'll never have any friends in the underworld!

Vin frowned. Then she eyed Kelsier, who smiled. He knew that he had her. He had shown off his power, had tempted her with it. The only reason to be subservient to those with power is so that you can learn to someday take what they have. Reen's words.

Chapter 4
If you let someone get close to you, it will only hurt more when they betray you, Reen seemed to whisper in her mind.

Never trust a man who tells you good news, Reen had always said. It's the oldest, but easiest, way to con someone.

Chapter 7
Vin almost smiled back. Reen's training came to her rescue. The man who wants you to trust him is the one you must fear the most. Her brother's voice almost seemed to whisper in her head. It had grown stronger since she'd met Kelsier, as if her instincts were on edge.

Chapter 8
Vin took a seat in one of the stiffly upholstered maroon chairs, tucking her feet up beneath her. She knew what the problem was. Kelsier had been showing her too much respect, making her feel too important. She was beginning to think that she deserved to be part of his secret confidences. Reen's laughter in the back of her mind discredited those thoughts, and she sat, annoyed at both herself and Kelsier, feeling ashamed, but not exactly certain why.

Chapter 9
You don't want them to think of you as a girl, Reen's voice warned. Yet, for once, she found herself wanting to ignore that voice.

Chapter 16
They're fools, Reen's voice whispered. This entire plan will end in disaster—and your death will be your own fault for not leaving when you could.

Chapter 18
Anyone will betray you, Reen whispered. Everyone will betray you.

Chapter 20
Is that a good enough reason to let them get you killed? Reen's voice asked.

Chapter 30
However, a voice from within—a voice she had nearly forgotten—began to speak. Of course he left you, Reen whispered. Of course he abandoned you. Everyone will betray you, Vin. What did I teach you?

I never came back for you, Reen whispered. He won't either. The voice felt so real—it was almost like she could hear him beside her.

Chapter 31
You should just be angry at yourself, Reen's voice whispered. You're the one who let them get close. Now they're all just going to leave you.

Chapter 34
Then he towed her away. Vin continued to struggle weakly, but she was growing numb. In the back of her mind, she heard Reen's voice.

See. I told you he would leave you. I warned you.

I promised you. . . .

Epilogue
A whispered voice came from the back of her mind, speaking in Reen's voice. Go back.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Prophecy in Mistborn?
« on: October 07, 2008, 05:08:26 AM »
We have reason to believe the prophecy about the 11th metal and TLR comes from the Kandra, since we know that Kelsier dealt with them, and Sazed, even with his metalminds, had never heard of it. So that kind of puts it in a different category from the other prophecies, which seem to be from Terris, although they do make references to Khellenium ones too.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: October 07, 2008, 05:02:31 AM »
If they are the voices of the dead, then why doesn't Preservation speak? I think it's Preservation, though I agree it's difficult to tell using Reen's voice, since it's not always her subconscious... It would be something for someone to compile a list of everything Reen says and try to actually decide when it's a memory...

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Countdown
« on: October 07, 2008, 04:55:34 AM »
That makes some sense; if holding the power lets you know what it can do without telling you the best way to do it, that's quite possibly what happened. I think that could be an argument for Ruin being the power that TLR touched. Things have been changed in a way that, while they still work, they're wrong. Like Koloss, no Flowers, Ashmounts, etc.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Countdown
« on: October 06, 2008, 04:28:51 PM »
Except you need a blood sacrifice for hemalurgy. Like someone has to die when you get that piercing.

It would be interesting to see what clues TLR left behind. Whether he left reminders for himself as to what he was supposed to do after 1000 years, or even if he's responsible for hiding whatever Ruin is looking for.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Comprehensive Hemalurgy Thread
« on: October 04, 2008, 11:07:39 PM »
I think Allomancy is related to the balance between Ruin and Preservation, and hemalurgy is the disblance, the hemalurgists can be influenced (I say influenced not controlled, Marsh is still fighting, and Zane was in control), by either one.

When have we seen Preservation controlling anyone?

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Countdown
« on: October 04, 2008, 05:59:45 AM »
There wouldn't have to be hundreds, just a fair number; a few dozen would be tons. And I bet most of them would only be mistings, anyway.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: Mistborn 3 Chapter 3
« on: October 04, 2008, 05:54:26 AM »
She's really good with emotional allomancy as well; she's done it all her life; that was her "luck." But emotional allomancy is about subtlety as often as it is about power. LTR didn't have to be subtle, because he was ridiculously powerful. Vin has the subtlety.

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Brandon Sanderson / Re: The Countdown
« on: October 03, 2008, 05:04:53 PM »
What if, with Ruin making more inquisitors, Preservation is trying to make more Mistborn? Those too old can't take the strain required to Snap and die, those untouched don't have the blood in them, and those who are attacked but then released have Snapped, but like Vin, they're not aware of it because they don't know anything about Allomancy. Vin had to have Kelsier tell her she was Mistborn, otherwise she never would have considered the idea.

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